CPAC Agenda Item: "Did you know the Bible offers a 'Just Cause' for war...?"

[CorpGovActivist]

2:00–3:30
Getting to Know Jihad
Diplomat Ballroom
Did you know Islamic extremists have a long history of violence against the West? Are you curious about what’s really happening on the ground in Iraq? Did you know the Bible offers a “Just Cause” for war, despite claims by the Left that “Jesus was a pacifist!”? Then, please join Young America’s Foundation as we host a panel discussion with Colonel (ret.) John Reitzell, Lt. Colonel (ret.) Scott Rutter, and Major John Krenson. Flagg Youngblood will facilitate the discussion.
Open to all CPAC registrants
Sponsored by: Young America ’s Foundation

http://www.cpac.org/agenda_30307.html

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How would that be any different than a radical Islamic group sponsoring a conference with a session that claims that the Koran offers a "Just Cause" for war, despite claims from moderate Muslims that "the Prophet was a pacifist!"?

Can you imagine the pseudo-conservative echo chamber?

- Dave

[orpupilofnature57]

1. The Jesus part of the Bible doesn't .

[CorpGovActivist]

3. Blessed Are the Warmongers...

... the Missing Beatitude.

- Dave

[ProudDad]

7. actually it does

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it." (Matthew 10:34-39 NASB)

You can find something to support any kind of madness in the Book of Foma and Fables...

[orpupilofnature57]

10. He's talking about ridicule and persecution ,not War.

Or more specifically ,justified homicide of any kind.

[USA_1]

27. Jesus: "I came ... to bring a sword" explained

See Ephesians 6 for Jesus' use of martial symbolism:

loins girt with truth

breastplate of righteousness

feet shod ... with gospel of peace

shield of faith

helmet of salvation

and here's the key --

SWORD of the Holy Spirit


Contrary to what reich wing telebangelists are saying, Jesus is a pacifist.

[ProudDad]

28. I'd like to ask Jesus

I don't trust what a bunch of patriarchal "historians" wrote in their fables 300 years after the fact...

[orpupilofnature57]

31. Wish I could too ,I have the same misgivings.

[orpupilofnature57]

32. Allusively not literally ,Jerry FallsWell has the same problem.

[porphyrian]

34. If Jesus said that, then, by definition, he isn't the Messiah.

The definition of the Messiah is the one who brings peace to the earth.

[WinkyDink]

33. Exactly. Christians have no business spouting pro-war crap.

[EstimatedProphet]

2. There's never any lions around when you need them...

[CorpGovActivist]

5. It Took Me a Second...

... and then I burst out laughing.

Now, now, Nero.

; )

- Dave

[EstimatedProphet]

15. Thank you! I'm here all week!

[ProudDad]

4. Check out the movie "Joyeux Noel"

A GREAT anti-war movie built around a true story of x'mas 1914.

There was a great scene with some bishop giving a rousing sermon to the troops quoting this book of fables in order to get them to kill Germans...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0424205/


A friend of mine, John McCutcheon, wrote a great song about this event:

http://www.folkmusic.com/t_christmas.htm

[tblue]

6. Two dogs barkin up the same tree

Every war is somebody's 'just cause.' So the Bible approves invading an unarmed nation, using depleted uranium and torturing innocent people, eh? Okay, I get it.

Randi was saying this week the cost of war is arms, legs, feet, hands, genitals, brains, sight, hearing, not to mention peace of mind, sanity, ability to live a normal life without fractured relationships, pain, guilt, fear, and waking up screaming in the night. That's why you don't do it unless there are no other options. And I believe there always are other options, if you want them, that is.

[Cass]

8. Bet they forgot to mention that Pope JPII said the Iraq War was NOT a just war.

Did they also forget to mention that he said "if you go to Iraq you go without God".

I guess they subscribe to the Scooter Libby School of Memory.

[orpupilofnature57]

12. The pope isn't in the Bible, not once.

[Cass]

17. Ok. But in a discussion of the just war concept I think its interesting to note the Pope's comments

on the matter.

[orpupilofnature57]

19. True

[sakabatou]

9. Chapter and verse

Otherwise, STFU.

[CJCRANE]

11. Jesus, a pacifist?

Hell no, he raised an army and kicked those Roman...

Oh waitaminute, no he didn't.

:silly:

[orpupilofnature57]

14. Didn't own a dollar ,small PR division and we talk about him today.

[Zenlitened]

13. I forget... Where is the 'Diplomat Ballroom' in relation to...

... the military recruiting desk? :shrug:

Young republicans want to know, I'm sure.

[The Straight Story]

16. Why the hell not, it appears that our leaders have a 'just cause' via the constitution

they interpreted it their own way, lied, cajoled, etc.

We don't need religion for a just war, just money desires and oil :)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. "And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other"

"But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,"

"Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you. And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloke forbid not to take thy coat also. Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again. And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise." (Luke 6:28-31

Those retired brass are gonna have some heavy spinning to do with that verse.

[orpupilofnature57]

20. Thats the crux of the biscuit!!!

Forgiviness , not War.

[orpupilofnature57]

21. Thats the crux of the biscuit!!!

[Bill McBlueState]

22. the bible offers causes for lots of things

There are plenty of reasons in there to stone people, but we generally don't do that anymore. Same goes for illegally invading other countries.

[northernsoul]

23. Is it just me, or does "Flagg Youngblood" sound like a porno name?

That simply cannot be the man's given name.

[Miss Chybil]

24. Shameful. I wish Jesus would come back and bitch slap these people. nt

[Davis_X_Machina]

25. Well, maybe we should listen to a pagan:

Nam extra ulciscendi aut propulsandorum hostium causa bellum geri iustum nullum potest

Other than for the sake of retaliation against or preempting an enemy , no war may be justly waged. (Cicero, De Re Publica 3.35, as preserved in Isidore of Seville's Etymologies)

'Iraq: Retaliation for an actual Iraqi attack: No.
Preempting an Iraqi attack. No.

0-for-2.

Thanks for playing, President Cheney!'

[Davis_X_Machina]

26. Cold do worse...

...than listen to a pagan:

Nam extra ulciscendi aut propulsandorum hostium causa bellum geri iustum nullum potest

Other than for the sake of retaliation against or preempting an enemy , no war may be justly waged. (Cicero, De Re Publica 3.35, as preserved in Isidore of Seville's Etymologies)

'Iraq: Retaliation for an actual Iraqi attack: No.
Preempting an Iraqi attack. No.

0-for-2.

Thanks for playing, President Cheney!'

[nadinbrzezinski]

29. Not that these guys will get it

but yes, there is just cause in the bible and in fact the discusions about it led to humanitarian law

Again, not that I expect these guys to know that, or nothing personal the OP

That said, under the principles of just war the closest we have come in modern times to one (purely by accident mind you) was WW II

[mitchum]

30. Is that in the Book of Spike?

[LeftishBrit]

35. Sigh; "God on our side" again

http://www.bobdylan.com/songs/withgod.html


Don't they see the irony of attacking radical Moslems for using their religion to promote violence, and then, in the next breath, doing the same thing themselves?

[CorpGovActivist]

36. An Appreciation for Irony Is in Short Supply...

... in those circles.

One of the most relevant things that the moderates in the GOP could do would be to sponsor student exchange scholarships for Young Republican Club members - the caveat being, that they have to spend their time in a non-Christian culture.

- Dave

[malaise]

37. Yep they also found

justification for slavery.