John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned

[IndyOp]

In case anyone you know isn't sure...

John McCain believes Roe v. Wade is a flawed decision that must be overturned, and as president he will nominate judges who understand that courts should not be in the business of legislating from the bench.

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/95b18512-d5b6-456e-90a2-12028d71df58.htm

[Echo In Light]

1. Got Theocracy?

[Happyhippychick]

2. Good luck nominating those judges with a filibuster-proof Democratic Senate, a Democratic majority

House and with Barack Obama in the White House.

[bunkerbuster1]

10. And good luck with this issue. Does anyone here know how unpopular overturning Roe would be?

That's ok, I do!

from http://pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

"More than thirty years ago, the Supreme Court's decision in Roe versus Wade established a constitutional right for women to obtain legal abortions in this country. In general, do you think the Court's decision was a good thing or a bad thing?"
60% say "good thing"


"In 1973 the Roe versus Wade decision established a woman's constitutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not?"
57% say "NOT"

curiously, if you add "completely" to that question:

"In 1973 the Roe versus Wade decision established a woman's constitutional right to an abortion, at least in the first three months of pregnancy. Would you like to see the Supreme Court completely overturn its Roe versus Wade decision, or not?"
65% say "NOT"

Good luck with that, McCain.

[CTyankee]

14. I am sighing as I read your post...

there are people who are pro choice who vote Republican. Or they say they are pro choice and would answer that way in a poll. But when you confront them about voting their conviction they just say "abortion is not the only issue."

I have a SIL and a BIL who are pro choice and pro gay rights who nevertheless vote Republican every time...

[bunkerbuster1]

21. So what's their conviction? Terra? Taxes?

You got a good line of rhetorical attack on those items? If so, what's their response?

[CTyankee]

22. If it didn't risk a flame war in my husband's family, I'd say:

"What do you call people who say one thing and do another?"

Truly, they are sick people. My BIL has a gay daughter and a gay son and he "says" he is wholly in favor of gay rights, even gay marriage. He and my SIL live in Madison, WI. Sometimes I jokingly refer to it as "The People's Republic of Madison" (I often tell them I am from "The People's Republic of New Haven.").

We'll probably see them in August and I can tell you right now I am not looking forward to it. I just know they are both going to vote for McLame. The funny thing is that most of their kids (he has 7, she has 2)are Democrats and some of the nicest people you'd ever want to meet. But these two are toxic. I told my husband I thought his sister and her husband were having money problems and I think that is the reason they're so crazy...

[bunkerbuster1]

24. Well, ok, so they're hypocritical, but--why vote GOP?

I'm not quite getting this. They must have some semi-rational (in their own minds anyway) justification for voting GOP.

If they're having money problems, though, I can't imagine why they think the GOP is looking out for them.

[CTyankee]

25. Yeah, ain't that nuts?

I have pointed out to him (literally, in his recent birthday party "roast") all of the ways he materially benefitted by Democratic Administrations, and went thru them one by one: Social Security, GI Bill, Medicare, and the economic boom of the Clinton years. I wasn't there to see how it was received but my SIL said he remarked that it was "researched well." I guess he meant that as the closest thing to a compliment he could think of.

If I knew the psychology behind his and her thinking I'd get rich selling my insights as a consultant to the DNC. My guess is that they see their being Republicans is somehow "classier" than being a Democrat. I've never had the nerve to tell them that there is an elite Republican club and that club doesn't want them in it, they just play them along to get their vote. But that's what I think it is. Go figure...:shrug:

[bunkerbuster1]

27. I suspect there's something to be learned from all this.

Rule one is, that an awful lot (not necessarily a majority, but an awful lot) of people vote for a party based on some kind of team loyalty more than anything else.

I suspect a lot of people like your family units do think, as you suggest, that the Republicans are the "winners," and the only thing that'll shake them from that notion is some humiliating national defeats.

So it's not that these folks are hypocrites, so much as bandwagoneers.

Oh well. Welcome, bandwagoneers, wherever you are!

[CTyankee]

29. take comfort in the fact that all of their kids are now Dems!

As the saying goes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating!!!

[depakid]

19. Democrats filibuster? Even Obama criticized the filibuster

and had to be persuaded by his aides to vote against Roberts & Alito.

Nader certainly called the shot on that issue. Senate Democrats will NEVER muster the courage, political fortitude or unity of purpose to block McCain's supreme court choices.

It's not in their nature....

[liberal N proud]

3. Trying to get the funies votes

The pro-birth, pro-war groups.

[asjr]

4. Joh McCain is truly

"bubble, bubble, toil and trouble."

[predfan]

5. two words why we must elect a democrat....supreme court

[BrklynLib at work]

13. EXACTLY!!! I was mortified in 2000 and 2004! It just cannot happen again!

[Iris]

17. And not just because of abortion... don't forget workers' and consumers' rights among other things.

[DinahMoeHum]

6. NOW do those women who voted for HRC want to vote for McCain???

Yeeeesh.

:evilfrown:

[sharesunited]

7. Exactly! What a nonsensical threat. Who do they think they're hurting?

[IndyOp]

8. K&R.

[IndyOp]

9. K

[snappyturtle]

11. Unreal. John McSame is an old man who needs to retire. K&R nt

[madinmaryland]

12. Which means more Scalito/Roberts/Thomas type judges.

The SCOTUS is the battle this time and must remain the battle!

[galaxy21]

15. overturning roe versus wade wouldn't actually ban abortion would it?

It would just leave it back up to the states decide. A girl from texas may have to go to new york or another blue state.

I don't agree with overturning it, but I think we need to tell young women they can still have access to a safe abortion out of state.

[madinmaryland]

16. No immediately, but many of the "red" states have laws waiting for this

to happen. It will in effectively ban abortion for someone in Montana, if they have to travel to New York to get one performed. It's bad enough now, that they have to travel halfway across the state to have one performed.

[Cerridwen]

18. What madinmaryland said - plus, many of the states mad mentioned

also have laws in place to make it illegal for girls and women to travel across state lines for an abortion.

So, no, in some instances, a woman would not be able to go elsewhere without facing legal consequences.

Criminy, I just had a flash-back to the Mann Act

[IndyOp]

26. The wealthy will always, always have access to safe abortions and will be treated with respect

should they make that choice. Making abortion illegal has always, always been about making it unavailable to "the unwashed masses" -- the middle-class and poor people who do most of the living and dying on this planet. Given that a recent study shows that the rate of abortions does not differ between countries in which it is legal vs. illegal -- then the only rational conclusion is that countries that make abortion illegal do it because a sizable portion of the people believe that a woman who choses an abortion deserves the negative consequences of an illegal abortion -- shame, sickness, or death.

The Incidence of Abortion Worldwide
http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/25s3099.html

By Stanley K. Henshaw, Susheela Singh and Taylor Haas

Context: Accurate measurement of induced abortion levels has proven difficult in many parts of the world. Health care workers and policymakers need information on the incidence of both legal and illegal induced abortion to provide the needed services and to reduce the negative impact of unsafe abortion on women's health.

Results.... Abortion rates are no lower overall in areas where abortion is generally restricted by law (and where many abortions are performed under unsafe conditions) than in areas where abortion is legally permitted.

[Ilsa]

20. For those who think it won't make a difference who gets elected, think again.

And not just about Roe v. Wade. Bush Admin's FDA refused to allow clinical trials for ESC research to go forward. You can be it is partly because they don't want successes with ESC, which is a talking point amongst those who oppose embryonic stem cell research.

There are so many differences between policies that affect us all.

[bdamomma]

23. this SOB cannot be president.

and all those disgruntled Clinton supporters you are putting a nail in the coffin in this country if you decide to vote for this imbecile.

[pdxmom]

28. Yes, yes he does. This year. Another issue on which McSame has

flipped, so as to pander to the Repuke base. Can't wait til this one comes up in a debate.

[Forkboy]

30. Can't be more clear than that.