Pretend it's August.

[cali]

The surge hasn't worked. Violence in Baghdad is just as bad as today. Nothing much has changed- except there are more dead U.S. troops and more dead Iraqis. What happens then? I don't think anything the dems do between now and then is going to stop bushco, so what happens a few months down the road if the "surge" is a failure?

[babylonsister]

1. *Co will feed more excuses to all of us to remain there. Nothing will change. nt

[cali]

2. Undoubtedly he will, but will

the American people tolerate it? Will the repukes tolerate it with a prez election only slightly over a year away?

[babylonsister]

6. We're tolerating it now, aren't we? We have no recourse at the moment

because the rethugs have us in a bind. (I really hope I'm wrong about that, but haven't been convinced otherwise) The big question is whether the rethugs will continue to accept this failure and put their 08 chances in jeopardy.

[zanne]

3. I think you're right.

Nothing will change.

[hobbit709]

4. Unless the Democrats grow a spine

the answer is not much. The Democratic leadership should quit worrying about how their actions might be "perceived" by the Koolaid drinkers and stand up for principle once and for all. Take a stand and quit waffling is what should be done. If idiot son wants to veto everything fine-then pass a new bill-just like the old bill and tie up the government until he geeks.

[cali]

7. Agree mostly, but the dems don't have the votes in the

Senate to pass anything. They should still try, but keep in mind that they don't have 60 votes.

[hobbit709]

8. So then make it clear who is blocking the road

Throw the mess in the Republicans lap for a change. The Democratic leadership should adopt "Not Ready To Make Nice" as their theme song.

[bdamomma]

5. the count at the moment is

3,160....3,166 American victims

how many more must die for lies??:cry: