Official thread # 2 Walter Reed neglect hearings on Cspan 1:

[rodeodance]

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject House hearing on Walter Reed neglect starting on CSpan1 Now
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x340490#340490
340490,

House hearing on Walter Reed neglect starting on CSpan1 Now
Posted by Greeby on Mon Mar-05-07 08:51 AM

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[rodeodance]

1. k

[rodeodance]

2. k

[rodeodance]

5. Waxman talking of past Gov Reports warning of problems

[Ilsa]

3. She's crying. She is just breaking down after being so strong.

That poor wife and all the frustrated wounded and families members have to stay angry and strong until they finally break down into tears, they are so worn out from this fight.

[rodeodance]

8. very powerful and heartbreaking testimony

[blogslut]

14. What happened to her husband?

n/t

[Ilsa]

122. Lost vision in one eye, brain trauma, back/neuro problems

requiring steroid injections. Had a hard time getting the case workers to even shcedule his medical follow-up care.

Heartbreaking.

[Sydnie]

4. Kick n/t

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Who is speaking now?

[Ilsa]

11. Wife of wounded soldier who was told

he had mental problems before he entered national guard. People told her they were tired of dealing with her when she tried to get him proper help.

[w8liftinglady]

12. they are doing a q and a..

[rodeodance]

she talked of losing hope with the 'system"--over the years just got NOwhere

fast trying to communicate with them.

[canadianbeaver]

7. Kickin this up.......too important not to! n.t

[w8liftinglady]

9. anyone who watches this without outrage has no soul.

[Ilsa]

15. How much ya wanna bet that the anal-cyster chickenhawks on the radio

call them whiners or something?

[rodeodance]

24. they would be wise no to do this---these relative witnesses are powerful.

[eleny]

10. k&r

[rodeodance]

13. thanks---and needs a few RECs also

[Ilsa]

17. Just did #5. nt

[rodeodance]

29. Cheers to you:-)

[Ilsa]

25. Assholes at FreeRepublic think that outsourcing

must be the answer -- they don't trust the army to manage it. Think the "socialized medicine" aspect of Army medicine is the problem.
Crap. Their party ignored the complaints for four years.

[aquart]

78. But Walter Reed HAS been outsourced.

And the company it was outsourced to is run by a former Halliburton exec. Funny about that.

I guess FR just doesn't keep up.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

16. Where this Republican Congressman while Waxman was sitting with GAO reports and his hands tied?

Now he's sounding outraged?

[rodeodance]

20. Waxman talking of past Gov Reports as being RE-PRESSED!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Yes, he did! eom

[POAS]

30. Hey he was working hard

covering GWB's ass. :sarcasm:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

Exactly! The sad thing is, that if his constituency sees this, they'll think he is Wonderful.

Disgusting.

[babylonsister]

18. More info on Wendell McLeod, Dem. Now! :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=265885

[eleny]

19. Mrs. McLeod is having her day

Hearts go out to this dear military wife. She fought hard for her husband's care. And today she can tell the country what they went through.

[Monkeyman]

21. Before this goes on I want to thank the DU for sending Waxman the Ammo he needed

[w8liftinglady]

23. so do I,as a soldier's mom.

[POAS]

34. Did I hear one of the soldiers give Waxman a

HOORAH when he quoted the policy of not leaving any soldier behind?

[trof]

96. I believe he said "Hooaaa".

Kind of the army equivalent of "right on!", "attaboy!".

[rodeodance]

38. yes.

[POAS]

43. HOORAH!

[w8liftinglady]

22. lynch d-ma-talking about disablity

[w8liftinglady]

26. purposeful attempt to deny disability payments to army and nat guard

[Monkeyman]

This is breaking the old combat vets heart

This woman has had enough

[rodeodance]

32. I think the Disability problem will be an Scandle in and of itself!

[w8liftinglady]

33. after hearing with congress,etc-they retested her husband and validated his injury

[Monkeyman]

27. One out of Four returning troops have PTSD 30 percent is just a way to cut cost

[Ilsa]

31. Assholes at Freep only have 3 posts on the Walter Reed hearing thread.

Saying the decline didn't happen in the last sic years. All politics. They are in such denial.

[rodeodance]

35. There are no excuses for this----plain and simple. there silence is telling.

[w8liftinglady]

40. but they"support the troops"-look at their cars

[Joe Chi Minh]

121. Does a woman who bets on a cock in a cock-fight worry about

the health and well-being of her champion, after the fight? Does she worry about them, before the fight? Pass.... She sure as hell is not going to prevent him being put in harm's way.

I doubt if there are many working-class people doltish enough to still believe in these characters; they'd be mostly hummer drivers, etc.

[Monkeyman]

36. What did you think they even care

[POAS]

41. God bless you for having the courage

to voyage over to the dark side so the rest of us don't have to go there.

[Ian David]

57. The Freepers say that some of our troops ENJOY sleeping in their own feces...

and that we should let market forces determine how often their bedpans are changed.

Okay...

They didn't actually say that (as far as I know)...

But I could imagine them saying it.

[w8liftinglady]

37. shannon-given a map to find his quarters-cut lose 5 days post injury

did I hear that correctly

[trof]

64. Army Staff Sgt. John Shannon. THIS is what a hero looks like.

The man is just absolutely amazing.
He should run for office.

[flashlighter]

39. This guy missing the eye is more worried about other soldiers

"I'm a Staff Sargent, I won't stay in bed"..

:cry:

[w8liftinglady]

42. He is a good man.and very articulate.

[flashlighter]

44. What IS a Staff Sargent? Is he in charge of other people?

[bmcatt]

50. SSgt = E-6

He's an NCO. E-5 is the first NCO rank (just plain "sergeant"), while E-6 is a step up from there. He *is* a noncom leader.

[flashlighter]

54. thanks.

[rodeodance]

80. like Radar?-----from Mash show?---just curious as I know nothing about

military ranks.

thanks in advance.

[bmcatt]

90. E-1 through E-4 = worker bees

Those are the private through specialist ranks.

Short form - noncoms are the "middle managers" of the military. They're not commissioned by act of Congress (hence the phrase "commissioned officer" which is usually just shortened to "officer"), but they do have leadership roles. Any noncom is, technically, outranked automatically by any officer, even an ink-still-wet lieutenant. However, the hierarchy of the military being what it is, any noncom outranks any lesser enlisted rank.

A noncom is not, by definition, an "officer and a gentleman", but they're probably more likely to get something done. :)

[bmcatt]

46. And his story sounds amazing

Even while he, himself, was recovering, he was trying to do his duty as an NCO and help other soldiers who needed it.

Hearing them testify is truly heartbreaking.

[Joe Chi Minh]

120. Sergeant Major is the highest ranked NCO in the British army, and,

not without reason, is said to be the back-bone of the British army.

[Monkeyman]

49. TDY MEDICAL HOLD IS BULLSHIT

[Monkeyman]

52. You better fix it now not later

[rodeodance]

45. talking positively of work of Danny Soto---an advocate for the injured troops.

[w8liftinglady]

47. difference between active duty and guard treatment?

[w8liftinglady]

51. yarmuth D-ky up

[Forkboy]

48. This is one of those rare times I wish I had cable.

K&R to keep it front and center,and thanks for the updates for us cable-free people.

[GreenPartyVoter]

53. Can you stream it from their website?

[Sydnie]

55. You can stream it from

www.C-SPAN.org .

[rodeodance]

84. cspan 1 link here:

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS

[Forkboy]

119. Thanks...got it above

I never even thought about it.Where would I be without DU? :)

[Forkboy]

118. DUHHHHHH...why didn't I think of that?

I'm really slow sometimes :freak:

Thanks for the link!

[w8liftinglady]

56. normal complaint procedure

[w8liftinglady]

58. when a command uses an open=door policy to hide problems

[w8liftinglady]

59. you have to go public

[w8liftinglady]

60. did everyone feel complicit?

[w8liftinglady]

61. the response indicative of a broken system

[eleny]

62. it's a broken system when they fire people "down the chain"

[w8liftinglady]

65. they can't afford to give me clean t-shirts...from a patient

[seemunkee]

74. Didn't get what Shannon said

Something like I shouldn't have to show my purple heart to get my uniform.

[babylonsister]

63. Perfect! Shannon blaming the system for firing guys lower on the rungs

that don't deserve it. Got up the chain and see culpability.

[w8liftinglady]

66. duncan r-tenn

[flashlighter]

67. is he blaming technology??????

[w8liftinglady]

68. "clearly not a problem of money"

[seemunkee]

69. Such bullshit

How many reports are out there saying how underfunded the VA is?

[w8liftinglady]

70. Reading Bill Young's account -soldier lying in urine-blaming kiley

[w8liftinglady]

73. everyone passing the buck

[w8liftinglady]

75. bureaucratic bungling-10% disability to amputee

[w8liftinglady]

77. After WP article came out lots of activity-before,no

[Monkeyman]

72. Then where is the care and why could they not get t shirts

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

71. bush should put these people on his "presidential commission"

[Monkeyman]

76. Bush's Commissions have made things worse every time

[radfringe]

97. see the toon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x339868

[itsmesgd]

79. These reps need to be begging for forgiveness

I also love how in lieu of solid intel or reliable government reports, these reps are taking their cues from the WashPo article.

[w8liftinglady]

81. talking about case managers being part of the problem

[w8liftinglady]

82. does the JAG help disability claims

[w8liftinglady]

83. helped shannon get his repo'd car back

[flashlighter]

93. "Dereliction of Duty"

Wow Shannon is awesome. "no one should be able to resign until they fix the problem or their fired"

[flashlighter]

86. His wife's car got repoed??? that's awful.

:cry:

[babylonsister]

89. I still want to know if JAG has helped anyone w/their disability status. nt

[w8liftinglady]

85. turner r-ohio up

[w8liftinglady]

87. what would you like to hear from kiley and weitman

[w8liftinglady]

88. shannon-this is a political war-they shouldn't be allowed to resign

[w8liftinglady]

91. mcleod-a guarantee that no other family has to go through what i went through

[w8liftinglady]

94. duncan-fix the problem-not just cover it up

[Stalwart]

117. Stay in the Job Long Enough

To let your mistakes catch up with you. Then you stay longer to fix things. That was Admiral Rickover's policy and it worked well. No easy way out, no leaving early, you screw it up, you fix it. You can leave when the job is done and you will report your progress daily toward the solution you have stated you will accomplish.

Proper supervision! They can be made to perform and perform well. Three times then fired. Public and disgraceful..

Stripped of rank publicly, every sign of rank torn off the uniform down to the buttons.

[rodeodance]

92. HO HO------"This is a POLITICAL war" says one Army Witness!

[Sydnie]

102. I was moved by his statement

about not being able to resign from the service when bullets are flying and people are dying.

That took it right to the heart of the matter ... it is a cover up!

edit - change word to resign

[w8liftinglady]

95. mccollum d-minn-daughter of a disabled vet

[w8liftinglady]

98. quoting shannon-"we will sign anything"

[w8liftinglady]

100. only 20% challenge their disabilities

[w8liftinglady]

101. more would challenge if the process wasn't so complicated

[w8liftinglady]

104. have you had pressure to sign away your benefits?

[rodeodance]

105. saying people just want OUT of the SYSTEM

[Monkeyman]

103. Your dam right your on TDY Medical hold all you want is out

[rodeodance]

99. "I am lost in the system"- panel member reading a letter.

[Monkeyman]

106. McLead is breaking my heart fix this now

[malaise]

114. Fox doesn't want complaints

She wants to know how to fix it. Fugg you lady. Your party created this mess.

[w8liftinglady]

107. I need a drink.

[maddezmom]

109. as soon as my husband gets home

I'm pouring one. This is horrific :cry:

[flashlighter]

116. Thank you for reporting all of this

:hug:

[flashlighter]

108. "this is how we treat our soldiers, we give them nothing"

Mrs. McLeod is crying over a different soldier who got booted.

"what about the ones who don't have me??"

[Monkeyman]

110. These dam Replugs are just saying words they don't care

[Monkeyman]

115. Dam I got to go again But are you hearing this Replug the blame game

[Roland99]

111. Bless you, Annette McLeod. Bless your sweet soul.

:cry: :patriot:

[w8liftinglady]

113. i need to find a way to contact her-to thank her

[rodeodance]

112. # 3 thread Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x341287