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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:13 AM
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Question about crop failures, storms, rains, floods
I was listening to NPR today, talking about crop failures in midwest due to the storms, rains, floods, etc. Reading DU and so many people are having weather difficulties, my heart is heavy. It seems like 1 thing after another after another, more storms headed across central states this weekend (maybe).


So, simplifying and wondering about crops, does anyone know anything about this?
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:14 AM
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1. If they're drown they die?
:shrug: :)
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:21 AM
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2. If they drown, they die. So, what does this mean for corn, wheat, soybean prices?
If wheat and corn are already going up so fast, is there massive crop failure predicted, what will it mean for prices? The story I heard said that farmers can still get in a crop of soybeans, but they can't predict for sure what will fail and what won't. Just wondering if anyone else has heard anything.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:23 AM
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3. Prices will go even higher
not only in the US incidentally,

Places like Mexico import a lot of that corn for their own tortillas, as they became less than self sufficient after NAFTA

If we have a widespread failure we may even see low level starvation, even here, in the good ol of USA

I will be going tomorrow to get some patio plants... I fear this is it... been having my doubts about it... but shit, I have to take care of us too


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:26 AM
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5. It wouldn't take much to tip it all over.
Getting seeds and plants is always a good idea.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:28 AM
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7. And combine the flooding with all the ethanol production...
Corn prices are likely to go outrageously high.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:24 AM
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4. uppityperson, we are in a world of shit. Phoney prices combined now with a real
disaster.
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:39 AM
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10. I'm just a gardener, but ...
Edited on Sat Jun-14-08 12:41 AM by phaseolus
...it's taught me something about dirt: if you have a heavy clay soil like we have throughout most of Wisconsin & probably lots of other places that were hit by the heavy rains, you can't do anything with it when it's sopping wet. No plowing, digging, planting, or driving farm machinery over it. If you do, it turns into bricks when it dries out.

As wet as the ground is right now, it will take another week or two after the standing water runs off to get dry enough to plant something. By that time half of the growing season will be over...

I think it really depends on the farmer's individual fields in question. If his crop got a good start before the rains & it's drained well enough to not have standing water, he'll make a bundle of money. The unlucky ones will just have to try to cut their losses somehow.

Prices will naturally go up when the supply's reduced, that's Economics 101...
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:55 AM
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12. speculation
We crossed a threshold at some point over the last two or three years in agriculture, and food has become a "free market" commodity. That means that it is the money people who now control our food supply, and making money means creating artificial scarcities, hoarding and otherwise controlling and manipulating the market. Food is no longer for the purpose of feeding people, and is now like any other industrial commodity - the purpose of it is to make big money for investors and speculators. That is what is causing the "shortages" and the rising prices, not supply and demand. The phony supply and demand argument is cover for the profiteers and exploiters and manipulators, just as we are seeing in the oil industry right now. Supply and demand are nowhere near elastic enough to cause $4 a gallon gasoline.

Food has been managed in this country, and in all humane and successful cultures, as a public resource for the benefit of the public until recently. With de-regulation, "privatization" and libertarian "free market" ideology fully ascendant, more and more of our lives, our culture, or society, our public resources, the fruits of our labor have been thrown onto the "market" - which has nothing to do with connecting buyers and sellers, but rather with manipulating that process to make massive windfall profits for the few - those who started with massive amounts of capital.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:26 AM
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6. Expect food prices to go up somewhat.
Farmers haven't been able to plant much this year in many parts of the country.

In the Midwest, it has been far too soggy. It's doubtful many will get in a good corn crop. In the Northwest, it's been too cold.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:28 AM
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8. That is my take on it also. Hoping I am being paranoid.
I'm happy to be only cynical.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:35 AM
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9. Not paranoid, just realistic.
Corn in Iowa is supposed to be "knee-high by the 4th of July."

That ain't happening this year.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 12:49 AM
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11. And they don't mean "while floating in the water".
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:07 AM
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13. Can you imagine detassling crews? They'd have to detassle in canoes.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:16 AM
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14. Which leads me to wonder about wild rice.
I read recently that non-native americans can now grow/harvest/sell wild rice, but the package for NA wild rice says it is NA. Looks unlikely on a large scale in temporarily flooded areas.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wild_rice
The seeds of the annual species Zizania palustris are the ones most commonly harvested as grain. Native Americans harvest wild rice by canoeing into a stand of plants, and bending the ripe grain heads with wooden sticks called knockers, so as to thresh the seeds into the canoe. The size of the knockers, as well as other details, are prescribed in state and tribal law.

In Minnesota statute, knockers must be no more than one inch in diameter, thirty inches long, or more than one pound<1>. The plants are not beaten with the knockers but require only a gentle brushing to dislodge the mature grain. The Ojibwa call this plant "manoomin" or "good berry". Some seeds fall to the muddy bottom to overwinter and germinate in the spring. Wild rice and maize are the only cereal crops native to North America. It is a favourite food of dabbling ducks and other aquatic wildlife.

Almost always sold as a dried whole grain, wild rice is high in protein, the amino acid lysine and dietary fiber, and low in fat. Like true rice, it does not contain gluten. It is also a good source of the minerals potassium and phosphorus, and the vitamins thiamine, riboflavin and niacin. Because commercial, paddy grown wild rice is harder and denser than true rice, it must be cooked longer to become soft enough to be eaten; it generally requires cooking for at least 45–60 minutes in a ratio of wild rice to water of approximately 1 to 3. Because of its comparatively high cost and chewy texture it is often cooked together with true rice, often in a ratio of true rice to wild rice of 8 to 1 or 4 to 1. Manoomin, on the other hand, is not nearly as hard as paddy rice, allowing it to be cooked in 15–30 minutes. This is usually because of the lower temperatures and high degree of scarification used in smaller processing facilities where much of this wild rice is processed <2> Manoomin often has a softer texture than cultivated wild rice and is preferred by the traditional wild rice users of wild rice growing regions of Minnesota and Canada.


http://www.mnwildrice.com/riceinfo.htm
First, environment. Since it is an aquatic grass, water is its environment, and proper water depth is important. If too deep, the weak sun rays of spring are diverted from the seed, if too shallow, the plant develops a weak stem. Most important, is consistent water depth. When the seed germinates in the Spring, a tiny hair root anchors the seed in place and the stalk starts to grow to the water surface, picking up air to float itself. When the plant reaches the surface, it joins and forms the float leaf, or banner leaf stage. The long leaves form, floating on the surface of the water at 90 degree angles to the stalk. This is a critical stage for the wild rice plant. Should the water level rise, the stalk is pulled up since it is very weakly rooted. Should the water level drop, the weak stalk can collapse. Also, during this stage, high winds can create large waves that will tear up a wild rice stand.

Should conditions be just right, the leaves produce plant food, the stalk and root system strengthen and create a good strong base to support more vegetative growth of the plant. With this strong base, the strong plant goes aerial, that is, it stands up. the floating leaves rise above the water, spread out to the sun and maturity takes its course. Under good conditions, an overabundance of plants reach this stage and overcrowding occurs, killing many plants, stunting the growth if others. Commercial producers have found that thinning allows the surviving plants to grow larger and stronger. Airboats have been developed with cultivator tools to effectively thin the rice beds.

The month of august is a real test for the maturing wild rice plant. High summertime temeratures and very high humidity conditions around the water environment of wild rice create ideal conditions for Helminthosporium disease development. This and other blight conditions can wipe out a weak overcrowded stand in a matter of days.

As harvest approaches, prodcuers try to time their harvest activities to maximize yield. They drain the water from the fields to dry the ground so that special, high flotation combines can operate in the boggy soils.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:22 PM
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17. 2009 is going to make 2008 look like 'the good old days'
eom
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pansypoo53219 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 01:54 AM
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15. plus here we had
a very wet and chilly spring. 50's into may. so delayed planting and then the seedlings likely drowned. too mushy to weed. lotta shit. my little garden needs weeding. but my pole beans look good. pepper still alive. peas still alive.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-14-08 05:06 PM
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16. We've had Attack of the Killer Slugggsss.
Definitely a cool weather garden this yr in the pacific northwet also.
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