Who do you trust more on healthcare? B or H?

[DaveJ]

Sorry for narrowing it down. If Kucinich could win that would be great. But, in case it comes down to these two, we are deciding between two who don't "want to get specific" on the issue. See http://www.counterpunch.org/ccr02212007.html

I am leaning toward Hillary since she actually has a record of doing something with "Hillarycare" despite the fact that it was not well received. On the other hand, Barack has an almost unbelievably appealing voting record which indicates he may do something positive for Americans given the chance.

I am from Barack's state of Illinois and frankly have not noticed and improvement in my healthcare situation.

So, who is more trustworthy, someone who did something that was seen as kind of lame, or someone who has not had the chance to do anything but seems like he might have potential to avoid corruption?

[SharonAnn]

1. Nancy Pelosi

[DaveJ]

4. That makes me feel better

At least no matter wins we have a good Democratic government. Thanks. :)

[Horse with no Name]

2. Did I miss something?

Are they the only ones running for President? I think I'll wait and listen to what everyone has to say before making my decision.:shrug:

[Kelly Rupert]

3. Why *would* you have noticed an improvement?

Are you referring to Obama's time in the Senate, which is a Federal body? Are you referring to his time in the Illinois legislature, in which he was an unremarkable figure? How would Obama have had any impact whatsoever on Illinois healthcare?

Speaking of which, Illinois at least has Blago's AllKids program.

[DaveJ]

7. Good point, does that mean you trust Barack more?

Barack seems like an honest guy, but on the other hand, almost too good to be true. But then why wouldn't he announce his support for a single payer system? We basically know that Hillary would leverage corporate interests to our best interest, whereas Barack would leverage votes to our best interest. Which is better?

[Kelly Rupert]

11. I don't trust either of them.

Hillary, the triangulator, might just wait until 2011 to so much as propose a plan, and then use it to run for re-election in 2012. She might or might not do something about it in her second term.

Obama might come up with a plan. He might not. Either way, he'll talk a good game.

I don't believe either one will fix healthcare. I don't believe either one won't. It's too early.

[JDPriestly]

5. Where is Edwards on the issue?

[w4rma]

12. pro-universal. (nt)

[salin]

6. While Hillary Clinton certainly has a history working on the issue

she was badly burned in doing so - and both she and Pres Clinton seemed to take from the episode a lesson of caution and compromise. I am not sure that I would expect bold solutions. While we are getting closer - until there is a louder outcry from corporate America (per - get health costs "off our backs per benefits) I don't think many of the front runners will have the courage to act boldy and comprehensively. The sort of change needed requires the fortitude (face the opposition and fight for it) of an FDR. Don't know that any of the current field have that kind of fortitude. I hope they do, but I don't see it yet.

[DaveJ]

13. That's what really bothers me

Hillary did something, she's the only one I know of who did. She leveraged corporate interests to our best interests the best she could with HMOs. Why should she be ostracized for that? I totally understand what is wrong with corporations today, and if I had the chance I would fix them. I think Hillary would too. Why people don't see that in her is something I don't understand. I post regularly complaining about the way people are treated by multi-billion dollar behemoths, but I understand that their problems can be fixed, so any connection with corporations should not be considered bad.

[Cobalt Violet]

8. They don't want to get specific about many issues.

That's why I say to hell with both of them. I wish more people would demand to know how the people they intend to vote for stand on the issues.

I can't even answer your question. What am I suppose to base my answer on? Who has the best hairdo?

[DaveJ]

9. I have to trust that they have good intentions

Compared to Repukes who would spend their careers taking everything away from us, so maybe it does involve personality to some extent. I would trust Barack's votes but not so much the ability to affect change as much as Hillary. Granted, this is my personal perception, which is why I was wondering what other people think.

[Breeze54]

16. Look here to see where they stand on the issues...

Issue Positions (NPAT)
http://votesmart.org/official_five_categories.php?dist=npat.php

The National Political Awareness Test (NPAT) is a key component of Project Vote Smart's Voter Self-Defense system.
Major leaders of the media, major parties and Project Vote Smart repetitiously ask candidates one central question:

''Are you willing to tell citizens your positions on the issues you will most likely face on their behalf?''

The NPAT is administered to all candidates for presidential, congressional, gubernatorial, and state legislative offices.


Select a state: ..... where the candidates serve now.

See also:

Basic Categories: (Of the candidates)

Biographical Information
Campaign Finances
Issue Positions (NPAT)
Interest Group Ratings
Voting Records
Public Statements

[Cobalt Violet]

17. I used that before and it doesn't help if they won't answer.

I don't understand why they have to keep where they stand on the issues such a secret. I don't like it and it is an insult to voters who care about things like issue over celebrity.


Obama: http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=BS030017

SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE 2004
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST


SENATOR BARACK H. OBAMA REFUSED TO PROVIDE THIS INFORMATION WHEN ASKED TO DO SO BY:

Major News Organizations
and key national leaders of both parties including,



Clinton: http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=WNY99268

SENATOR HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON REPEATEDLY REFUSED TO PROVIDE ANY
RESPONSES TO CITIZENS ON ISSUES THROUGH THE 2006
NATIONAL POLITICAL AWARENESS TEST WHEN ASKED TO DO SO BY

<snip>

Over 100 news organizations throughout the nation also urged their candidates to supply their issue positions through the National Political Awareness Test.


And Edwards answers "other" to everything. http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=CNC68243

Richarson also refused to answer. http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=H2505103
Dodd also refused to answer. http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=S0131103
Biden alos refused to answer. http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=S0150103

Fuck the all!



Only Dennis Kucinich answered the questions. He is the only one willing to state where he stands on the issues with details. http://votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=BC032003
He is the only one I will trust.

[Lex]

10. Edwards.

nt

[Wwagsthedog]

14. For discussion sake, I only trust DK

The others are beholden to big money that doesn't have our interests in mind.

[area51]

19. Hear, hear. (n/t)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

15. Two points to consider:

1. Hillary and Obama are NOT the only two candidates in the primaries

2. The primaries are your one and only chance to express your TRUE opinion. Why waste that vote on someone you don't like, just because that's whom the media are touting the most? If you truly believe that Hillary or Obama is the very best candidate out there, then vote for her or him. But if you like someone else better, have the courage of your convictions and send a message to the Democratic party by voting for your preferred candidate.

[salin]

18. primaries are 14 months away here... our voice is *never* heard.

:(

[Lydia Leftcoast]

21. Well, the Oregon primary is in May, so in 1988, Dukakis already had

the nomination sewn up, but 39% of voters STILL voted for Jesse jackson. I didn't do a lot of good, but it sent a message to the DNC that they needed to do better. (Whether they got the message is another question. Evidently they didn't. But at least we spoke up.)

[salin]

22. Hi five, friend!

In 1988, even though it didn't matter here - I voted for Jackson as well. I thought it was important for him to stay in the race, he made sure that issues of poverty stayed in the discussion/debates.

[LWolf]

20. I don't trust either one of them on health care. n/t