HAGEL: "You Can IMPEACH Him & Before This Is All Over-You Might See Calls For His Impeachment"

[kpete]

Hagel suggests impeachment could loom for Bush


"The president says, 'I don't care.' He's not accountable anymore. He's not accountable anymore, which isn't totally true. You can impeach him, and before this is over, you might see calls for his impeachment. I don't know. It depends how this goes."
...

"Congress abdicated its oversight responsibility. The press abdicated its responsibility, and the American people abdicated their responsibilities. Terror was on the minds of everyone, and nobody questioned anything, quite frankly."

http://www.esquire.com/features/chuckhagel0407-2

[shadowknows69]

1. Fuck that

I'm sick of taking the blame for sheeple. A LOT of us saw plenty fucking clearly and tried to get the rest of the country to listen.

Edit to add: Go Hagel! Impeach Now! Please.

[originalpckelly]

8. "There is no way for a citizen of a republic to abdicate his(her) responsibilities." --Ed Murrow.

http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC/murrowmccarthy.html

[Turn CO Blue]

55. Many of us saw it, true. But I still get upset

by stats that say that 50-60% of single women and single mothers don't vote because they're too "busy", and that under-25's don't vote because they're too "busy" or uninvolved. That kind of abdication of responsibility blows my mind and makes me angry, and those people DO indeed deserve to be caned metaphorically in the public square by the rest of us.

[corkhead]

56. Did you see this Ted Rall strip?

[Swamp Rat]

69. I hear dat!

!

[Prophet 451]

2. k&r

Impeachment has now become a survival necessity.

[stellanoir]

3. It's long overdue. . .

Demand immediate resignation would be even better IMHO.

K & R'd

[librechik]

I think you have something there, stella

I'm sick of being scolded by other dems who whine about how long impeachment will take, how many votes (which we don't have) etc. Resignation would save the countrey all that pain. But I don't see Shrub doing that. He reminds me of certain weeds I have done battle with in my yard. Pull em out and they grow back in the same spot, or 20 feet away!

[bdamomma]

7. what are these guys waiting for?? waiting for * to attack another

country? it will be too late by then.

[Supersedeas]

19. some responsibility from the Press is long overdue

[stellanoir]

48. and that too. . .

[SammyWinstonJack]

29. Either way, he and his boss, Darth Cheney, need to go, NOW!

[midnight]

34. I agree. His resignation and Cheny's-Long overdue.......

I come here everday for that sentiment, and to read that it is finally happening.

[yurbud]

40. unlike Nixon, Bush & Cheney might not leave willingly

when they get the visit from a handful of republicans.

[TwilightGardener]

41. Honestly, I just can't see it coming to that...

This administration seems absolutely impervious to challenge, even from its own party. I have never seen so many in Congress so willing to carry water for a pres, even to the detriment of their own political careers. I think Hagel will continue to be a lone voice, or maybe will be joined by Snowe, Collins, etc.--but I don't hold out hope that a cadre of Repugs will form to put the screws to Chimpy. There must be a file somewhere in Cheney's office of dead-girl/live boy photos.

[yurbud]

42. that last part is right. When it got down to it, that's how Larry Flynt helped Clinton

[stellanoir]

49. well maybe start to see it. . .

Your response may inspire me to do a group visualization thread on that very theme.

Thanks.

[robinlynne]

62. I think we should count those votes in Ohio. they are still there, countable.

That way we not only get rid of Bush, but those supreme court appointees, who should have been chosen by senator kerry.

[radfringe]

4. grass roots catch fire - demand impeachment

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[babylonsister]

5. Sad that a rethug takes the lead on this, but whatever it takes. nt

[ShortnFiery]

6. You got that right! Where are you, Democratic Congress?!? n/t

[ChairmanAgnostic]

47. MIA, along with their spines and integrity.

What a disappointment.

[bdamomma]

10. well, his own party will take him down hopefully.

[blm]

11. If a Dem says it, the media will ignore it. Only way it will get any traction is for a GOP

to add their voice.

The corpmedia has long established that any Dem who looks to the constitution is a 'not serious' lawmaker while any GOP who does the same is a 'serious' voice.

[babylonsister]

15. I don't care how the media handles it; for once, I want to hear a Dem say it!

And mean it!:grr: :grr:

[BuelahWitch]

53. Actually I think that's a good thing

Wasn't it a bunch of Republicans who had to go to Nixon to force him to resign? Hagel realizes that this administration could be the death knell of the Republican party. Let a Republican lead the charge, then there will be infighting in their party, not ours.

[Lugnut]

67. I think

That's precisely what it will take to get the impeachment ball rolling. It took a Republic effort to rid us of Nixon.

[hippiechick]

9. Of course THEY want him impeached now,

... him being in office creates a liability to their '08 election/re-election chances.

I say FUCK NO. Let each and every GOP legislator and candidate who stood by and cheered all his criminal malfeasance for the last 7 years wear him like the anvil he is.


:mad:

[bdamomma]

14. I really don't think bush cares what the Congress or what repigs

say about him, he has proved a number of times he does not listen to anyone, he only listens to the voices in his head. Sick SOB.

[robinlynne]

63. and the billions of dollars which continue to pour in.

[Horse with no Name]

38. Thank you.

And IF the Democrats allow the REpulses to take the lead on impeachment, it will be like handing them the 2008 White House on a silver platter.

[glitch]

54. Especially Hagel, who has aspirations. nt

[Forkboy]

12. WE FUCKING QUESTIONED IT!

And got called traitors for it! :mad:

[malaise]

16. Bingo n/t

[Smarmie Doofus]

26. Double bingo. nt

[midnight]

35. Some of us have had more happen to them for questioning

these illigal acts. Look at what has happened to our judges, soldiers mom's, reporters, undercover cia, interpreters, lawyers representing those accused of crimes. I guess the list could go on. But there has been a blindness to those who are breaking the law because they appear to be in power.

[Forkboy]

44. I know

His comment really pisses me off.

[porphyrian]

13. Calling for impeachment here, now! For quite some time! - n/t

[bdamomma]

18. apparently there is such a detachment with our Congress and

the People, we have all been saying this for a long time, these Senators are going to learn the hard way, and they better not come to us after the fact and apologize for not taking action earlier. Their apologies won't cut it this time.

[porphyrian]

25. Oh, you bet. They still think corporate money will insure their job security.

They're going to be surprised if they don't deliver soon.

[Solly Mack]

17. "Terror was on the minds of everyone, and nobody questioned anything, quite frankly."

What a pathetic and craven self-excusing lie.

People did question. People were screaming at the top of their lungs and members of Congress refused to listen.

The people doing the questioning were marginalized and called names.

Yeah, the people could have done more of that which was in their power to do

but the people don't have the power to stop Bush that Congress has...the people and the Constitution entrusted that power to Congress and Congress did little more than play dead.

Fuck any member of Congress that attempts to mitigate their complicity by blaming the people.

[Smarmie Doofus]

23. Thanks. I was going to post that. Needs to be said. n/t

[Solly Mack]

33. As an American, my shame is great because

I will always feel as if I could have done more

and it is those that did try and stop this mess that feel the most shame, that will always feel like they could have done more...something...anything

but I will not share in Congress' complicity.


That's all on them and only them

[SammyWinstonJack]

30. We were called "focus groups" Right george?

[Solly Mack]

31. and the fringe

and Un-American and unpatriotic and that we hate America

and cowards and terrorists enablers

[radfringe]

37. or in my case THE RADICAL FRINGE... heheheheheheh

[demnan]

20. Count me in, Chuck

We have a (Congressional District Impeachment Committee) CDIC for our Congressional District, do you?

Go here to start one:

http://www.democrats.com

[Jackpine Radical]

21. Outstanding, incisive article.

Pierce writes like he spends 'way too much time lurking on DU. Great shots at Biden & others, probes at Hagel's voting-machine connection like a tongue exploring a sore tooth...

[Zambero]

22. Hagel is the Un-Joe

Liebermann's bad judgment prompted him to part company with his party over the conduct of the war.
And Hagel's good judgment has prompted him to do the same. He may be conservative, but he's a brutally honest one. If McCain's candidacy does indeed go down in flames, and it's headed in that direction right now, it will be because he opted to remain on board Bush's Iraq shipwreck to the bitter end, a fiasco that 75% of Americans now acknowledge to be a colossal mistake.

[magellan]

24. For once I agree with hagel

The impeachment process will publicize what we've known for so long and galvanize the public. The corporate media will not be able to avoid covering it. And what comes to light will work against any Repugs who hold out against impeaching.

Some American people have abdicated their responsibilities: bushbots, the 61% of Repugs who still think Bush** is doing a fine job. As the horrors of BushCo's crimes are revealed by the impeachment process, they'll reform or be kicked to the curb by the majority of America as would have been done long ago if the press hadn't abdicated its responsibilities.

[Mr. Ected]

27. THEY DID NOT LISTEN, THEY'RE NOT LISTENING STILL

Perhaps they never will. --Don McLean, "Vincent"

[radfringe]

28. if not now...when

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x334602

[TwilightGardener]

32. Interesting article, thanks for the link...

found out stuff I did not know about my Senator. Pretty rough on Biden and McCain, though...ouch! And if it takes a Repug to bring up the "I" word, I'm OK with that. It's not who gets to take the credit, it's how to get the ball rolling. But he may have just committed political suicide. This will set GOPer heads exploding.

[porphyrian]

36. Kick - n/t

[bread_and_roses]

39. MILLIONS of NOBODIES questioned it, Hagel, you revisionist bastard

Millions. Or did you miss that, you and your fellow blood-soaked "Representatives" eager for political capital and a few favors for your good buds in Big Oil and military contracting? You and your spineless, complicit MSM, eager for ratings and the good visuals of a war? You bastards are to blame, not the American people. Didn't nearly half of us question and oppose this war from the start? But our names wern't Halleburton or BP or FOX news, so we were "NOBODY" to you insulated, arrogant power-brokers and corporate shills.

Fuck you and your "he isn't accountable anymore" - YOU and the rest of them ALLOWED "him" unaccountability, you death's head "patriots" you war-mongering profiteers.

[yurbud]

43. "oh, I mean no one who gives us money. the people who count."

[NotGivingUp]

59. Great post! Perfectly said. Agree with you 100%.

[TwilightGardener]

45. After re-reading this article

I think we're very lucky the Repugs won't let him get anywhere near the nomination. He would be a formidable opponent. He's got the life story, combat experience, resume, fawning press...yikes.

[Forkboy]

46. So I wrote the fucker a letter...

Dear Mr Hagel,
Today I read your interview in Esquire and was disgusted by your comment,"...and the American people abdicated their responsibilities. Terror was on the minds of everyone, and nobody questioned anything, quite frankly."

No,Mr Senator,the American people didn't abdicate our responsibility.Millions tried to stop this fiasco that we saw coming in Iraq.We marched,we wrote letters,we called you and your colleagues.What we got in return were labels of,"terrorist supporters","unpatriotic" and "traitors".

With all due respect Mr. Senator,the ones who abdicated their responsibility was YOU,sir.You and all the others who didn't have the guts to speak.You and all the others who passed the Patriot Act without even reading it.You and all the others who took six years and thousands of lives to wake up.
Your comments are sad,and a poor way to cover your inability to show any courage when it mattered.

[glitch]

52. Really good letter. Please send it to the Esquire as well. nt

[Forkboy]

57. Done...and thanks.

[Uncle Joe]

50. Thanks for the thread kpete

Kicked and recommended

[glitch]

51. Nobody? I guess closing your ears and singing lalalalala really works.

If you don't hear the people "questioning anything" they really don't exist.
Jackass.

[huskerlaw]

58. My email to Hagel:

Senator Hagel,

I write you as a former constituent, having lived in Nebraska for over 27 years.

I read your article in Esquire and I have to say, I firmly disagree with one statement, in particular: "Congress abdicated its oversight responsibility. The press abdicated its responsibility, and the American people abdicated their responsibilities. Terror was on the minds of everyone, and nobody questioned anything, quite frankly."

Terror was not on the minds of everyone, sir. The American people did not abdicate their responsibilities. You did. Millions of Americans protested the war in Iraq from the first day it was discussed. The vast majority of senators, yourself included, did not bother to question the "intelligence" put forth by this administration. We did.

In fact, it has taken the majority of you nearly 5 years to figure out what an ever-increasing majority of American people figured out long ago. Why is it, sir, that you were supportive of this war until it became obvious that the American public was against it?

You see, sir, it's easy to speak out against a President who has a 28% approval rating. It's politically safe to voice discontent with a war that 70% of Americans believe is wrong. Where were you in 2003?

The American people have abdicated their responsibility? No, sir, we have not. We were left without a voice, abandoned by the people elected to represent our views. Do not blame Congress' failures on the American people. Own up to your mistakes and ask your colleagues to do the same. Then end this war. Hold this president accountable. Represent the people who elected you, sir. Even in Nebraska, Bush's support is below 50%.

You didn't stand up for us 5 years ago, but you can start now.

Sincerely,
XX
Nebraska Resident, 1978-2005

[porphyrian]

61. Heh, that's good. - n/t

[sellitman]

60. Impeach our pResident?

Fuck that I want to see him frog marched to the Hague.

[tom_paine]

64. Oh, what a lying, ass-covering, little ES&S "selected" SCUMBAG

I guess if you ignore millions of people, they don't exist.

I say this from the bottom of my heart: FUCK YOU, Chuck Hagel. It was YOU who abdicated your responsibilities.

[nicknameless]

68. Thank you, tom_paine!

ES&S gave Hagel his "surprise upset victory" that landed him in the Senate.
Then, ES&S went on to assist dimson in his 2004 rigged election.

The People didn't elect * in 2000 OR 2004.

Hagel talks very tough for a guy who just voted against his own resolution.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/2/5/175611/9039

Cowardly shithead.

[Zhade]

65. Dem leadership? You home? Hagel's stealing your thunder.

Get on the fucking ball, you cowards.

[Rex]

66. Power man talks shit and laughs at his flunky peers.

He might be a crook, but he is a hell of a lot smarter than the entire BFEE.

[BR_Parkway]

70. Hagel, if you can get him impeached, I'll overlook the slight where

you called me and millions of other Americans too 'terrified' to complain about things. Just scroll through this board and others.

We were the ones who saw all this coming, we were the ones who knew and pointed out the lies and corruption.

We were the ones speaking out in every venue we could find - only to be told by oh so many up in your lofty perches and our own family members how unpatriotic we were, how we were 'aiding and abetting our enemies'.

We were the ones getting the rank emails full of hatred and anger and misspellings and totally disjointed thoughts.

And the most important part? We were, and still remain, the ones in this country who would LOVE to stand up and say, I was wrong. Gladly!

Think about what that would mean for our country and planet.

So haul your carcass back to work and start doing your job, we've been carrying the water for everyone else long enough.

[Vidar]

71. Hagel is right. I hope this is more than rhetoric & that there are deals in progress

to oust the dictatorship.

[salin]

72. Pretty bold for a GOP primary presidential candidate

from a dem these might be tepid words - from a GOP candidate for pres - serious taboo words. Very interesting.