A reason to dislike "Da Bears"

[Bluzmann57]

I just saw "The Worst Person in the World" segment on Olbermann's show and was made aware of some idiot(s) who hung a sign out which said, "The Bears. Finishing what Katrina Started". Now I know that most Bears fans are not like that, because around here, there are a lot of them. But the management of the bears did not make the person(s) take the sign down and that is unacceptable. I must admit that I am biased as I am not a bear's fan (GO PACK), but c'mon, there is absolutely no excuse for actions like that sign. None. The Soldier Field people or the bear's management or some other fans, should have ordered the assholes to remove that offensive sign or risk either ejection, or a beating to within an inch of their lives. So for a Super Bowl pick, I say GO COLTS!

[MadMaddie]

1. I saw it too. Totally disgusting...guessing a Neocon...

[CasualVoyeur]

5. neo-con?

Let's be fair now, a neo-con in Chicago? That would be a first....

[HereSince1628]

22. Well, it is where did Leo Strauss taught Wolfowitz the insane

rationale that freedom leads to chaos and that providing simple ideologies of overblown national esteem is a necessary part of governing. So it wouldn't be the first NeoCon in Chicago.

[CasualVoyeur]

27. freedom leads to chaos??

I've heard many neo-cons speak and have never heard that philosophy advanced. We may disagree with this adminstrations policies but let us do so on the merits...

[bperci108]

46. "The Merits" are that this administration's policies...

...are based in a warped ideology that is intellectually dishonest, morally bankrupt, socially repugnant and in a word:

DEAD.

Read it again ==> Conservatism is dead.

Bush and his criminal stooges killed of what was left of it after Reagan began it's death song.

[Bridget Burke]

65. Which neocons have you heard?

Details, please!

[izzybeans]

68. They won't speak it, but it is very much a part of the assumptions of their philosophy

Strauss made those assumptions explicit in his work. This is why neocons promote authoritarian policies, Big Brother snooping, unitary executives, and a culture that worships military conquest. They have coopted libertarian language in public (you've likely sat in on one of their propaganda sessions), but pursue authoritarian policies in practice. The father figure must always protect the "weak people" from "existential threats".

[Beausoleil]

69. Then you should read up on Leo Strauss

The Straussians believe that people aren't sophisticated enough to govern themselves nor to have the truth told to them in order to make informed decisions. The elite should govern the masses as they see fit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Strauss

Shadia Drury, author of 1999's Leo Strauss and the American Right, argues that Strauss ... inculcated an elitist strain in American political leaders that is linked to imperialist militarism and Christian fundamentalism. Drury accuses Strauss of teaching that "perpetual deception of the citizens by those in power is critical because they need to be led, and they need strong rulers to tell them what's good for them."

I think that pretty much means that Straussians don't believe in what we recognize as a free society.

[EstimatedProphet]

36. Do you think they all come from Madagascar?

:shrug:

[fishwax]

40. chicago is where it all began for the neocons

Welcome to DU, CasualVoyeur :hi:

[mitchum]

62. The University of Chicago has been a longtime hotbed of right wing...

"thought"
Strauss, Milton Friedman, Allan Bloom...
Hell, I'm surprised that krazybitch Ayn Rand didn't have a chair there

[driver8]

12. NeoCon?? My guess is Cheney... n/t

[cynatnite]

2. I don't blame the team or the city...

blame it on the assholes who would put up such a repugnant sign. That was beyond the pale and completely disgusting. :puke:

There are a lot of Bear fans who are probably ashamed of that.

[Bluzmann57]

11. I stated that I don't blame most fans

but the team, or the Chicago Park Board should have made the party in question take the sign down.

[cynatnite]

17. Sorry, 'bout that...

I saw the bit on KO, read the title of your post and I was off. It pissed me off to see it. :hi:

Someone should lose their job for letting it stay up.

[driver8]

3. OMG -- that has got to be one of the most f*cked up things I have

ever heard.

What is wrong with these people?! How much of an asshole do you have to be to write, or even think of something like that?

Go Colts! Fuck da' Bears!

[Critters2]

60. Welcome to Chicago.

I'm not the least bit surprised. I used to live there.

[CasualVoyeur]

4. Every Fan...

Last week Fox Sports panned the Superdome and there was a lady wearing a Fu#k da Eagles T. So it happens everywhere....

[petronius]

16. That was funny - I was surprised they showed it for as long as they did...

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[CasualVoyeur]

29. Thanks, nice to be here

Appreciate the greeting.......I guess the Aint's discarded the bags for T's

[KamaAina]

21. Hardly the same thing

"Fsck the Eagles" is a comment, however puerile, on the team. The above atrocity kicks the whole city when it's down. Maybe if it had said "Hey Philly, why did you stop with the MOVE block?" or something, it'd be equivalent.

[CasualVoyeur]

24. silly semantics really..

I was not engaging in comparison, don't think that serves any purpose...it's a football game, it is what it is...

[devilgrrl]

6. BFD. Peyton Manning is a Bush Pioneer...

I see no difference in stupidity.

Go Bears.

[peekaloo]

78. eeewwww.

I see Bu$h has no fear of horse-faces when they cough up the long green.

Da Bears!

[SeattleGirl]

7. That was disgusting, but I'm not going to judge all Bears fans

by the actions of that one asshat. Were I a Bears fan, I would be embarassed and angry over that.

Some people's sense of "humor" leaves much to be desired.

[driver8]

8. One more thing...

I hope these dipshits choke on their bratwurst!!

[Joe for Clark]

9. Oh, man - you sound like a disgruntled Packer's fan.

I don't think the team had anything to do with that sign.

And while I don't really have a dog in this show - since the Steelers didn't quite make it this year - I say good luck Bears. Just make it a close game and I'm happy.

Joe

[Bluzmann57]

19. Ok. One more time.

I never said the team had anything to do with the sign, but the team should have made the sign come down. It is offensive and disgusting. And fyi, my dad and brother in law are avid Bears fans and I'm sure they do not approve of that sign.

[Joe for Clark]

31. Well,

I think the team had a lot more to do than monitor signs.

Secondly - I had to go get my pizza (needed desperately to watch the games) in a Packers bar - every single person there wearing Saints garb.

Clearly no love lost between the Packer and Bear fans - fine with me - I just wanted the pizza.

Steelers weren't playing - or I guarantee you my wife would have been picking up that pizza.

Joe

[polmaven]

28. The team may not have had anything to do

with putting the sign up, but I don't believe no one in charge on the team or at the stadium knew it was there, and could not have had it taken down and thown in the trash where it belonged. :mad:

[Joe for Clark]

42. What are they gonna do?? Stop the game??

I think they were pretty concerned with the Saints til deep in the 4th Quarter.

It was a lot close than the score indicated.

Joe

[polmaven]

57. The sign wasn't on the field!

They don't need to stop the game to go into the stands and take a sign down! Or was it even in the stands? It may have been outside the seating area.

Are you telling me that every time someone in the stadium get rowdy and security officers break it up they stop the game????

That is PRIVATE PROPERTY and the owners have a right to take down offensive signs.

The players would not even have noticed! No one is saying the game should have been stopped. Where did that come from?

[Joe for Clark]

58. It did appear on FOX in the broadcast - from the field.

And you bet - the players certainly did NOT notice it all.

And you are right that the owners had a right - but I am also saying they were a lot more concerned about what was happening on the field at the time.

Doesn't make it right - but you know, a lot of peopele are jerks - and apparently some of the jerks live in Chicago.

Bears will still win though.

Maybe I miss your question in this.

Joe

[mmonk]

67. I was at a playoff game one year when my Panthers were playing

Dallas when they had Michael Irvin and some of our signs concerning Irvin were considered in poor taste and removed before kickoff got underway. IMO, management dropped the ball at Chicago.

[ohio2007]

30. WOW, your 'stilrs went from SB hero to zero in one season flat

Now that was a bad 2007 showing

[Joe for Clark]

41. That is pretty harsh.

Not like - oh, the Clevland Browns??? Or Cincinatti - you see???

Joe

[MrSlayer]

10. This can't be. Everyone knows Eagles fans are the only bad fans.

Probably was a bitter Philly fan that snuck in and did it.

[KamaAina]

13. You mean this?

Ordinarily this, plus the classless running up of Da Score, would be enough to place me firmly in the AFC camp. However, Miami, we have a problem: I grew up in (you guessed it) Baltimore. 'Nuf ced. I'm thinking there might be some table tennis, or maybe a poker tournament, on ESPN2 that day...

[driver8]

18. Just because your football team sneaks out in the dead of night

is no reason to hold grudges...

But I'm a Bills' fan so what do I know about winning a Superbowl?

[ohio2007]

26. Well, my team filled the vacuum of that dead of nigh move

in Modell took the Browns and renamed them the ratbirdz

btw, my team won the SB the year after they left Cleveland :(

...its the curse I tells ya

[Joe for Clark]

53. Browns were good - I used to look forward to the

Steeler-Browns games - they were really good games.

Joe

[Bill McBlueState]

74. Did you know the all-time series is tied now?

The Browns had the lead over the Steelers for the entire history of the series until the December 7 game. Now, it's tied at 55 wins apiece. We live in interesting times! :)

[Bill McBlueState]

73. the curse?

I've wondered about this -- is there a precise moment in Browns' history that can be called a curse?

The Red Sox had the trade of Babe Ruth. Was there something between 1955 and now that cursed the Browns?

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

34. Um, what "classless running up of Da Score" ???

Were the Bears defensive players supposed to give those fumbles and interceptions back???

Whoever that classless moran is that made that sign obviously thinks Rush Limpballs is a god. He even resembles him.

As I said in another thread, there are morans everywhere. I honestly don't think the people working security at Soldier Field check posters brought into the game for "political correctness" and I think the management of the Bears team yesterday had a little more on their minds than what one poster said hanging on the sidelines...

Hell, last night here on DU one poster, a Packer fan, suggested that maybe this Super Bowl should be the one where there is a "terrorist attack". Nice, huh!!!

That being said though, I do apologize for the actions of one totally classless Bear fan. If I had seen that poster or the person holding it, I'd probably be in jail right now.

[bumblebee1]

45. I'm not a Bears fan,

but I find that sign to be tasteless as well as showing NCAA (no class at all.) Considering what the Saints went through last year, this year was quite an accomplishment. I was happy to hear the city of New Orleans through the Saints a parade. They deserved it.

[ikojo]

14. I saw that too....and as someone who wanted

Da Bears to win, it saddens me. Whomever made and displayed that sign probably has never had a worry in his/her life.

[bling bling]

15. I don't think that is really fair.

Some stupid fan doesn't represent the Bears.

It's a tough pick for me. Lovie Smith was the Defensive Coordinator here in St. Louis before he moved to Chicago and I liked him a lot. I'm also happy to see Chicago doing well after having a tough time of it over the past years.

But I guess I'm rooting for Indy too. My reason is about as profound as yours though. My main reason is that I love Tony Dungy. I think he is hands down one of the classiest men out there and I enjoy watching classy people succeed in their lives.

[roamer65]

20. Pro football...yawn.

[bperci108]

49. Amen.

I think the only thing worse than pro football is NASCAR. (Non-Athletic Sport Centered Around Rednecks)

That's about as exciting as watching a ceiling fan and rooting for your favorite blade to "win".


..and I'm sure I've stepped in it here, so...

:hide:

[Bluebear]

54. Hardly the point. nt

[ohio2007]

23. "The Bears. Finishing what Katrina Started". judging by the final score of that game

I say it was a correct statement .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD5Pd-uk5fI


lighten up, I wanted the Saints to go to the big show. The city could've used the two weeks of media hype attention.

[RB TexLa]

25. You should have seen the signs and t-shirts at the Alabama/LSU game

"You lived through Katrina, but the Crimson Tide will get you"

With a red wave over the state of Louisiana, and the chants of "No FEMA check for you!" in "soupnazi" tone.

I've said it before, it's OK, we in Louisiana already know what the rest of the country thinks of us.

[ohio2007]

33. So I'm guessing it's Obamas Bears in da SB ?

Don't be suprised to see politics play out like the MNF appearance of Obama. I suspect people were not offended when he did that pregame skit?

[RB TexLa]

35. What does that have to do with people at the LSU/Alabama game?

[Bluebear]

55. "We in Louisiana already know what the rest of the country thinks of us"

And that would be? That you have a rich history of music and cuisine that could not have originated anywhere else on earth? That you suffered needlessly while this President ignored your people? That the levees were doomed to fail and despite scholars pointing it out for years nothing was done?

[AlCzervik]

32. don't blame the team because of one ahole fan.

Raiders fan here---"wait till next season!" i say that every season.:cry:

ou want to some crazy fans try going to oakland.

[fooj]

38. I feel ya...

Being a Raider fan is NOT easy...

It's been a tough stretch! I'm just hoping for a coach. Jeez......

[AlCzervik]

39. Next year, next year!!!

fingers crossed! oh yeah, niners suck.

[illinoisprogressive]

37. what these idiots don't understand is that it hurts their team and the real fans.

My husband has loved his Bears forever. People like these make the fans like my husband look like oafs.
Rodney is a good person and thanks to idiots like that guy, he makes everyone else and the team look ugly.

[devilgrrl]

43. If they understood then they wouldn't be idiots now would they?

A lot of football fans are knuckle-dragging morons (morans), whether their from Chicago, Green Bay, Miami or Indy. Many make, not only their teams look bad but humanity in general.

:shrug:

[kanrok]

44. Hmmm...a Packer fan needing an excuse to root against the Bears?

Go figure.

[Eurobabe]

47. Oh stop, we all know football fans are a bunch of knuckledraggers

Don't blame the team, blame the fans. Tasteless sign? Yes, every bit as tasteless as BabsBush's comments about the SuperDome. Saint's fans' T-shirt against Eagles, poor taste, but hey that is part of football culture.

GO BEARS!!

[Joe for Clark]

50. You are right about the knucledragger thing.

All in all - I like the fall.

And I know - WE HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE SUMMER NOW.

Otherwise, I could surely find something better to do than watch the Bears play the Colts.


Bears will win though - no doubt.

At least there is one more game until that oblivion that turns into...baseball season.

Joe

[Cobalt Violet]

64. Football has a culture?

I thought it was a lack there of. Knuckledraggers they are.

[Catherine Vincent]

48. That surely is offensive.

That was not funny at all.

[bullwinkle428]

51. If someone had put up a "McCaskey is a pedophile" sign, it would

have come down in about 5 nanoseconds, I can assure everyone!

[Dinger]

52. I Just Posted This On My Favorite Packers Board

Thanks for posting.

[Cobalt Violet]

56. Reason to hate sports #8789274600347365299

As if I needed another one.

[Critters2]

61. It went into my "reasons to hate Chicago" file.

As if I needed another one.

[chitty]

63. What's Up With That???????

Go Bears....

The guy with the sign is an immature asshole. Could happen anywhere.
So why dis the whole city. You sound as bad as the guy with the sign.

Go Bears....

[in_cog_ni_to]

77. Must live in Wisconsin.

:eyes: Chicago is the most BEAUTIFUL city in this country....without a doubt and now a BEAUTIFUL city with a Championship football team!

GO BEARS!

[ProfessorGAC]

You Only Really Need One

Just don't like them. You don't have to pee in other people's oatmeal.
The Professor

[ProfessorGAC]

79. Dupe

.

[genie_weenie]

59. It'll be great in 100-200 years time

when future generations look back upon our tume with revulsion at our sports *heroes*, our barbaric athletics and our misplaced attentions in the same manner many people today apply 21st century morals and moder belief systems to people of previous centuries.

But regarding sports affilitations, does it matter? Brett Favre can't act.

[TZ]

66. all teams have idiot fans

I actually am a long-time fan of the Washington Redskins. But if you want you can dig up plenty of "reasons" to hate them- racist name, Repubs love Skins games, asshole owner, ect... but don't jump on a team or town for one incredibly stupid sign. If it came down to that Indianapolis is not that far from where the KKK was founded. You don't think there are some stupid racist Colt fans too?:eyes:

[Apollo11]

70. What if they beat the New York Giants?

Would that be "Finishing what Al Quaida started" ??

[porphyrian]

71. The team isn't responsible for the people that support them.

Considering how bad they sucked for so long, they were happy to have any supporters, even if they were cannibals. Seriously, though, it's not the team's fault some asshole made that sign, and that idiot doesn't represent every Bear fan, or even the average one.

[Qanisqineq]

72. That is bad, but then I had a bad run-in with Bears fans once

I went to a Vikings - Bears game (Vikes lost) a few years ago when the Bears were playing in Champaign, IL at UIUC while Soldier Field was being renovated. My husband and I were walking down the sidewalk when a bunch of drunk, college-aged Bears fans surrounded us (me in a Vikings shirt) and started taunting us and calling me everything under the sun (bitch was a favorite). We tried to keep walking but they wouldn't let us. Eventually they left. I was so embarrassed for UIUC (where I was a grad student at the time) and was glad it wasn't a Vikings fan from out of town -- imagine what they might think.

Unfortunately, I saw many Bears fans acting like complete assholes during the few months the Bears played in Champaign.

[ProfessorGAC]

75. Don't Hang That On Me

I've been Bear fan since the early 60's. I sure don't have that sort of sentiment. I do, however, agree that such a sign was worthy of an ejection from the stadium.
The Professor

[in_cog_ni_to]

76. Wow! I'm SHOCKED! SHOCKED I say! A Packer Fan trying to take away the GLORY of the BEARS Super Bowl

game! What a bullshit post. That sign is DISGUSTING. It should never have been allowed, but to blame the Bears for what one of their idiotic fans did is preposterous.

So typical of a Packer Fan. The Bears deserve to be in the Super Bowl because they WON...UNLIKE the Packers...I know, that's a hard one for a Packer Fan to swallow, but GET OVER IT!:grr: Sheesh. Now I've seen everything.:grr:


GO BEARS!!!!!