Why is Fox Noise still saying she's not covert?

[Sugarcoated]

Fitzgerald said a half hour ago she was 'classified' in response to a the question from Isikoff at the press conference. Isn't classified the same as covert? Do they continue to parse to keep the viewers confused? And Hume said it was Armitage who was the original leaker so no crime was committed? WTF?

[Duer 157099]

1. Indeed -- what about Armitage?

Certainly they are not claiming that he was a low-level guy who just didn't *know* what was going on?

[MADem]

2. You can have a cover job that covers for a covert job, and all within the same intelligence

organization.

For example, you trot around telling everyone you work as a secretary at the FBI, when in actual fact you're a special agent...that kind of thing. But I don't think that sort of scenario applies at all to Plame's work at CIA.

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. As i understand it she DID have a cover job when she was working

overseas and, at the time she was exposed, was no longer working under cover - however, that exposure revealed to everyone oversease that she was undercover when she had been there, throwing up red flags on all those persons she was connected with in previous years as being, potentially, ACTIVE CIA AGENTS.

It was not SHE who was endangered by the exposure, but those she had been connected with previoously who were, in all probability, still active foreign national CIA agents, liable to arrest, imprisonment and execution by their own governments.

She wasn't blown - her entire network was blown.

[MADem]

31. You understand correctly. Her cover job wasn't within the agency.

But there are cases where people can have fake jobs inside an organization. It allows them the ability to go to the workcenter, but not be associated with the covert/intel side of things.

[Emit]

3. Damage control?

:shrug:

[librechik]

4. because they cling to the "agreed narrative" like burrs on a dog's coat

it's just propaganda they're spreading, along with doubt and misunderstanding, so we can't organize to fight them. We stay divided over stuff like this.

[WillyT]

12. I'd Say Like Tick On Roves Ass, But Let's Not Quibble !!!

:evilgrin:

[Common Sense Party]

5. No, classified is not the same thing as covert.

WAS she covert? What evidence was brought out that she was a covert agent?

[BOSSHOG]

7. Her status was irrelevant

to the charges against libby. He committed perjury and obstructed justice and was not charged with exposing Plame, who was covert at the time of novak's column.

[Common Sense Party]

37. I agree: perjury is perjury.

I just never have seen anything definitively proving her covert status.

Is there anything?

[librechik]

18. She was an NOC, which by definition is covert

they don't have a peg to stand on--that's why they scream so loud.

[jbonkowski]

23. They don't want to say in public that she was covert

To this day, they are trying to keep the standard that the government doesn't ever confirm a CIA employee's covert status.

I don't think the CIA would have asked the justice department for an investigation if it wasn't a big deal that she was outed as an employee in the papers.

jim

[Bitwit1234]

6. What I don't understand is what difference does it make?

If she was covert or not....Libby lied about telling her name. That's all that mattered, he lied, and thereby obstructed justice.

You are so right. The republicans are twisting this three ways to Sunday. But when they are through, all that remains is ...he lied to a grand jury...

[jobycom]

10. Exactly. And if she wasn't covert, why would Libby have lied?

If she wasn't covert and the information wasn't classified, why lie to cover up who leaked it? No crime would have been committed. The Repubs are arguing that Libby is going to jail for lying to cover up a legal action?

[jobycom]

8. Same reason the say "Fair and balanced." Plus, even if Armitage was the original leaker, so what?

The knowledge was still classified even if the name had already been leaked. How would that exonerate anyone else? If I rob a bank, it doesn't matter if the bank had been robbed the day before, I'm still guilty of robbery.

[Sugarcoated]

16. I think maybe they're saying if Armitage leaked it first

and they believe he was an outspoken critic of the administration, he sat on it letting Bush and Cheney take the fall for a conspiracy that never existed.

But he told Woodward, right? And Woodward kept it under his hat till like last year sometime.

[lumberjack_jeff]

27. Armitage leaked to Woodward first.

Woodward didn't print it.
So he talked to Walter Pincus. Walter didn't repeat or print it.
Libby talked to Judith Miller. She didn't repeat or print it.
Rove talked to Matthew Cooper. He didn't repeat or print it.
Rove talked to Chris Matthews. He didn't repeat or print it.
Armitage talked to Bob Novak. Eureka! Finally, a "journalist" stupid enough to blab the identity of "a CIA operative".

Those who talked prior to finding paydirt in the form of Bob Novak are not exhonerated.

Libby was the low hanging fruit. It was easy to demonstrate that he lied under oath.

[damntexdem]

9. Because to admit that she was covert would be to tell the truth:

a big no-no at Faux News.

[Beaverhausen]

11. They still report that WMD were found in Iraq

It's Fox Noise...why do you even ask why they are reporting lies?

[unpossibles]

13. the same reason they say Saddam had WMD and was involved with 9/11

even after it turned out both were lies. You don't seriously expect the government mouthpiece, the one which helped set up the current coup, to start telling the truth when push comes to shove, do you?

Sadly, FOX news is one of the main reasons our country is in the shape it's in, imo.

[Poiuyt]

14. She was NOC - Non Official Cover

That means she was not only covert, she was operating without a diplomatic passport. If she had been caught while overseas, she would not have had any protection from the US government.

[Beelzebud]

19. Exactly. Technically she was not covert. She was actually beyond covert.

[Common Sense Party]

38. Beyond covert. Is that anything like "double secret probation"?

(Animal House reference)

[myrna minx]

15. Hang onto your chocolate ration, Scooter Libby is NOT GUILTY

according to Faux Noooz. :rofl:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x351523

[baby_mouse]

17. That's what they're paid to do. nt

[dicknbush]

20. Who cares what Faux says.

Anyone who still thinks these guys have any credibility is recovering from a lobotomy at best.

[H2O Man]

21. She was covert.

It doesn't matter what Fox reports.

Anyone who has taken the time to read the various court documents knows that she was covert. A year ago, a federal judge hearing part of Miller's appeal spoke directly to this issue. There is zero dobt that she is covert.

Anyone who questions that either hasn't paid close enough attention, or is not sincere. The ball is in their court, either way.

[peacetalksforall]

22. FOX and their followers use posse logic, not American jurisprudence.

You talk in the Sheriff's office, in the saloon, or out under a tree - then you decide what is what and maybe hang a couple with your decision. They are juvenile and uneducated and even when they know better, like Victoria Toensing, they lie royally and with loyalty.

[Mz Pip]

25. This isn't about

Valerie Plame. IT's about perjury and obstruction of justice.

They can yammer on all they want about covert vs. not covert. It's a diversionary tactic. Doesn't change the fact that Libby lied.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[Virginia Dare]

26. The underlying crime..

which is why Libby lied, to cover it up. That's the next shoe that drops. FAUX is trying to keep the sheeple that watch them in line by continuing to repeat the official Bush lie.

[Horse with no Name]

28. Because there are 30% of Americans

who believe everything they say.
White House spin.
They will be the same ones on message boards carrying this message forth to see if they can make it stick.

[NewJeffCT]

29. It's to keep their audience ignorant and outraged

If they keep repeating the lie that Libby was not covert, their audience will believe it, and think it was a liberal conspiracy to convict Libby of perjury, etc. And, if they reach a wide enough audience, the dittoheads & Freepers who make up the Fox audience will repeat it to their friends, who then repeat it to others...

It's been nearly 10 years since the Sudan supposedly offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter to Bill Clinton. Even though it has been debunked by multiple sources, including the 9/11 Commission, Sean Hannity keeps repeating the lie. If the lie stays out there long enough, it will creep into the back of people's minds that, "hey, maybe there is something to that..." - I mean, most people aren't going to read the 9/11 report to find out that it's false.

[Cha]

30. Because fauxsnooze is a Lyin' Noise

Machine for the Fascists and anyone who listens to them is in danger of loosing what little brain cells they have left.

Faux'll take those cells and washed them on speed cycle, bleach, and you're all set to repeat the fascist propoganda.

[SoCalDem]

32. Because they do not believe anything except the lies they tell

and their adoring fans wacth them so they can have the lies validated again and again..

Its a mutual delusion pact

[demrabble]

33. Fox = News For Idiots

Because Fox = News for Idiots.

Fox is news for idiots by idiots.

[pampango]

34. The jury didn't rule on her covert status, or anything else about

the underlying crime, just about Libby's performance in the subsequent investigation, so each side can stick with their construct.

[Edweird]

35. because they are preaching to an ever shrinking choir.

[annabanana]

36. Because Fox Noise is the administration's House Organ...

It's quite simple, really. It's the little free Chamber of Commerce flyer they stuff in your mailbox with coupons once a week. I don't go to those things for news.

[spanone]

39. Faux has to keep the lie going so as not to look as fucking stupid and shameful as they are.