Holy Shit. Buchanan makes brilliant point on Libby & Calls for investigation!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

Pat Buchanan on MSNBC:

"If, there was no underlying crime, then WHY did Libby lie ?"

Answer: They THOUGHT there WAS an underlying crime !!!


Buchanan then called for congress to open an investigation

into the lying about the war !!!

Up is down today !!!

[malaise]

1. That scumbag still ended up blaming

the Dems for Bushco's war.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

5. oh. missing that part on my way to the computer. I do think

there's a difference between being blindly ignorant in
thinking that a president is telling you the truth (congress) and
malicious lying.

[cynatnite]

13. He's a scumbag, but he made a good point...

those that voted for the war and the media that parroted the propaganda are complicit. They didn't do their jobs.

[Pawel K]

56. I hate to break it to you but the dems are to blame

Maybe not as much as Bushco but these cowards went along with it knowing damn well they were being lied to.

[closeupready]

2. Wow. I'm literally stunned.

It's like a house of cards.

[Cha]

48. Yeh, right...I'll count

those cards scattered all over the ground when I see them.

[WillyT]

3. Hey... He's Right, And I'm Glad He Said It !!!

Thanks Pat.

[Virginia Dare]

4. The throw Cheney under the bus fest has begun..

couldn't happen to a nicer guy :evilgrin:

[Laura PourMeADrink]

8. They were just saying how he had a "bad weak". Blod clot,

assasination attempt, and closest advisor convicted!

Anyone else, we'd feel sorry.

[napi21]

43. Yea, and today is only TUESDAY! I wonder what the REST of the week

is going to be like?

I'm sure glad I don't have to be around him right now! I get the impression he's a very mean & nasty man when things don't go his way!

[grace0418]

44. He's not so nice when things are peachy for him either.

He's pretty much evil to the core.

[napi21]

45. Actually, I know one of the guys who had Cheney Secret Service detail

on many occasions. I aked him what he was REALLY LIKE? He said "he's really a nice guy and treats us all very well."

I suspect he reall does treat those around him quite well or he'd never get the kind ofloyalty he gets all the time.

My feeling about his reaction when things don't go well is strictly my own, from observinghis reactions to questions during interviews and howhe snaps at reporters...even when they're trying to be respectful.

[Kolesar]

53. The "SS" are people who violated our civil rights during the Kerry vs. Bush election

They routinely slandered, lied about and intimidated us and local governments who wanted to permit us to demonstrate or otherwise use our First Amendment rights.

[BOSSHOG]

6. And if she was an insignifiant desk jockey why out her?

Fucking with conservative who try to defend their actions is just too easy.

[underpants]

7. because they are just that incompetent

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=266953&mesg_id=266953

[Cerridwen]

9. He's starting to paint the Democrats as weak.

I don't trust ol' patty boy at all.

He's setting the Democrats up to take a fall if they don't now launch investigations.

Peace is still war in this world. Orwell's not left the building.

He's also preparing a run at the repub nomination for 2008 elections. He's gonna swagger and pose. Watch his other hand - it's a conveniently exploitable diversion.

[Poiuyt]

12. I heard Buchanan say that the greatest strategic blunder that this country has

ever made was when the Democrats gave the power to Bush to start his war!

I do agree with him, however, that the Democrats are weak about ending or investigating the war.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

16. Yes, but they had to know that Asshat was the most vile human

being alive. Who ever, not even me, would have
thought that our president would be a first degree
murderer? I mean, I knew he was pushing us in
when he started - but at the time, I actually
thought they'd probably find something.

[n2doc]

17. I don't remember ANY repukes standing up against Bushco

Maybe my memory is wrong. But I do seem to remember in fall 02 the MSM, all the Op Ed columnists, most pundits and the UNITED GOP were pushing madly for war authorization. Anyone who dared to ask questions was demonized from all angles, including from the DINOs. I think back then it was more effective to demonize the opposition because we wern't used to it yet. Now it is expected and it doesn't work. Even if our leadership hasn't realized that yet and stood up against Bushco.

[Carni]

55. God I hate to have to do this BUT...(holding nose now)

I heard Pat--yes, hideous old blowhard Pat Buchanan, with my own ears say we shouldn't go into Iraq before we invaded.

I remember it clearly because I couldn't believe I agreed with him on something.

Buchanan is a right winged pain in the butt but he was about the only Con that I can think of who said we should not go into Iraq.

Man that was hard!

[JHB]

18. And where were the Republicans at that time, Pat?

Why does the party of personal responsibility bear no personal responsibility?

[Cerridwen]

22. The Democrats have been, nominally, "in power" for what,

two months now? They do not have a super majority in either house. They have investigations going and starting all over the board - for the first time in six?! years.

I'm so far to the left of most of our current Democrats in office, they and those here on DU who support them and their agendas, consider me part of the "radical, reactionary left." I'm one of those, whom some DUers have labeled and lumped in with a group, portrayed as rigid in my ideals over political expediency. Which just shows ta go ya, how little you can learn about someone if you read only one post. *chuckle*

I have worked in politics. I have worked with committees and within narrowly defined rules and regulations as imposed by the government at local, state, university and the federal levels. The amount of work currently being done, right now, by the Democrats we've (hopefully) elected, is amazing from many viewpoints.

Is it happening as quickly as I'd like? No way, no how. It would probably defy several laws of physics to respond in the time frame I'd prefer. Is it happening exactly as I'd like? Again, no way, no how. But I am willing, for the time being, to let them get on with what they ARE doing while applying pressure to the leadership to let them know how and on what issues they should be doing it.

It sucks, HUGELY! We have people dying in Iraq and Afghanistan every day; ours and "theirs." If I had my way, we lay down all arms about, oh, 50 or so years ago. I don't get my way. I'll practice patience - for now.

edit for surprise smiley (?!) LOL

[Laura PourMeADrink]

33. thanks for that. I am in your labeled category as well. You

made me think, I do have to be patient and give them a chance. But
then, I start thinking how pissed I am that they have ruled out
funds cutoff and I'm back where I started. I know it wouldn't pass
but I don't care - throw it out there, get defeated, and throw it
out there again, and again....

[Cerridwen]

37. I'm with you on that.

I wish they would just start throwing crap at them (them being all repubs and repub enablers) and keep it up as they did with all the crap they flung at the Clintons.

Part of me also doesn't want us to sink to their level.

Yes, my 2 parts are conflicted. LOL

Since I'm not there to know the motivation for or against either tactic, I'll hope for now, that there is a strategy in place to do that which you (I presume) and I hope for - investigate, impeach, indict, prosecute, convict (the requisite: if found guilty). :evilgrin:

[Virginia Dare]

42. Au contraire Patty my boy...

it was a bigger strategic blunder on the part of the Repukies. They can't spin themselves out of this one, the GOP is heading into Dark Ages the likes of which they haven't seen since Watergate, and this time it will be worse.

[Kolesar]

54. That is a revisionist account of what happened in 2002 and 2003

Most Dems in the House voted against the war. It was the repul'ans and their corporate media who gave us this war.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Between Buchanan saying this and Hagel

bringing up impeachment, the Dems better start talkin' tough or the few GOPers with a conscience are going to steal their thunder.

[Cerridwen]

30. You may be right.

Their motivation is, in my opinion, appears to be much stronger than the Democrats' motivation. They are trying to save their careers and extricate themselves from the republican brand and the current fustercluck that is this regime. Democrats are already portrayed as hostile to the shrub.

I was about to make a snarky remark about motivation - I'll leave it for another time. I hope Democrats have a stronger motivation to act, than it now appears, and that it prompts them to act SOON!

[TwilightGardener]

36. Yep, their motivation is to keep their party

from being totally driven off the cliff and into political oblivion. But the unraveling is a pretty thing to watch.

[Cerridwen]

38. Yes, indeedy it is.

:D

And my Karma's suffering for it, too. *sigh*

But, I will continue to hope the light shining on these cockroaches stuns them long enough to apply justice to each and every one of them as well as root out all the filth they've left behind.

[whistle]

10. Pat Buchanan seems to be a master of double-speak, he is such a

....B U L L S H I T A R T I S T!!!!

[Double T]

11. "Up is down" everyday until bushco is removed from office.

[opihimoimoi]

14. I Love it.....all of it....the Bushhh is TOAST...the GOP is TOAST

[baby_mouse]

.... *Buchanan* said this...?

Methinks the Good Ship Republican is showing signs of getting a few tons of vermin lighter in the not too distant future.

[TwilightGardener]

19. Buchanan is NOT a neocon...

He is, I believe, a "paleocon"--the old-time isolationist type of 'Puglican--he's been leery of war for some time now. He hates BushCo. Always has.

[Nite Owl]

25. And yet as much as he

didn't like * he did say that he would vote for him in '04, because Kerry was worse. He's like the broken clock that is right twice a day.

[TwilightGardener]

31. True. Occasional flashes of insight only count for so much.

[cynatnite]

15. Buchanan is a POS, but he does talk sense from time to time n/t

[Forkboy]

20. This admin isn't Pat's type of conservative.

I think he really doesn't like them.

He's still an ass,mind you.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Geez, Forkboy

We were struck with the same thought at the same time.

[Forkboy]

26. That doesn't bode well for you...seek a doctor immediately

And tell him you're thinking like a madman! :)

[TwilightGardener]

29. BWAH! Appointment scheduled for tomorrow!!

[Sydnie]

24. I get really afraid when I start to agree with him

:scared: but DAMN, is he right this time! The obviously thought that there was a crime, and we all know that there was. Now, we just have to go after the rest of them to get to the bottom of the inital crime!

[merh]

27. Holy sheeeeeettttt

Down is up and the conservatives must be having a hell of a time, which way to turn - who to believe -- who to follow - whose koolaide to drink?

[Pryderi]

28. Time to talk about Downing Street Memos?

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

32. Watergate happened when the pugs realized they had to turn on Nixon

Once their political survival was threatened, the pugs in the Senate got willing to take a serious look at Nixon's crimes.

Hopefully, the same thing happens to Dim-son.

We face two problems we didn't have in 1973 - 1974. First of all, the broadcast media then actually practiced professional journalism. They went after the story, raises and invitations to Cheney's Christmas party be damned.

Secondly, for whatever reason, a lot of politicians are seriously afraid of Cheney. Nixon was respected and powerful, but he didn't scare people like Cheney does.

Might be the shotgun thing....might be the anthrax thing....might be Blackwater Security on 24/7 call......

On a serious note, this is great news. The publicans have to play a big part in it if we are going to remove these scumbags from office.

[Lex]

34. The Pugs are going down big in 08 if they don't stop kissing Bush/Cheney ass.

nt

[kmla]

35. Meh. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn every once in awhile...

[Joe Chi Minh]

39. If only the Democrats had a non-racist Buchanan!

[orleans]

40. woo-hoo. I SAY WE ALL CALL FOR CONGRESS TO OPEN AN INVESTIGATION!! n/t

[Recursion]

41. Buchanan has been anti-war since the start, and sees * as another Clinton

Does nobody listen to the guy? * is on the other side of every issue he cares about, particularly foreign adventurism and immigration: Pat wants the country to wall itself in and stop poking around in other countries; he basically sees Clinton and * as two sides of the same NWO/NAFTA/ZWG coin.

[Canuckistanian]

50. And his articles slamming neocons are classics

Like this one:
http://www.antiwar.com/pat/?articleid=8757

[BuyingThyme]

46. No doy.

:P

[Lex]

47. I've asked this multiple times here today: WHY won't the DEMS call for hearings

or investigations of what's underlying the Scooter convictions?

[Pryderi]

51. Where's John Conyers?

[merh]

49. kick

:kick:

[barbtries]

52. i beg to differ...

nah, i just hope to beg to differ. up has been down for over six years...maybe up is coming up