CSPAN WJ: A number of callers assert that Bush didn't know there were no WMDS.....

[marmar]

and that he had the same bad information we did.....

Does anyone still really believe that?

[Ganja Ninja]

1. So half a trillion dollars and a 100 thousand lives later it's ...

"Oops my bad."
:banghead:

[bdamomma]

2. those callers are in denial, Bush knew there was no WMD's

but he continued his invasion against a country that did not do anything to us. Bush showed his ignorance when he mocked the whole WMD thing when he joked about them in his office, no WMD's here, no WMD's there while looking and laughing under chairs in his office. What kind of joke is that while bombing the hell out of country that did not do anything to us. * is a sick sick delusional man.

[4dsc]

3. They try to put us all in the same boat

I love to tell rightie that I didn't believe there were WMd's in Iraq along with millions of other around the world.

[marmar]

5. "I love to tell rightie that I didn't believe there were WMd's in Iraq along..."

Me too. :nopity:

[BOSSHOG]

4. Pride is so much easier to attain then knowledge

The ignorant trash that comprise bush's base swallowed his lies like a bourbon street hooker. bush and cheney knew there were no WMD, and they knew that truth would really fuck up their plans of empire, so they lied, (intentionally lied) knowing that the flag waving patriotic ignorant trash would rally round the great leader, the drug addict, the military deserter, the corporate criminal.

Yes, there are "many" that still "believe." They also believe that since more die in car wrecks, the deaths of our kids in Iraq really don't mean shit. They are "conservatives." They are ignorant trash but they do love their constitutional liberties and they do love someone else going to war and fighting for them.

My hate is rational.

[BR_Parkway]

11. Rare that I disagree with you Boss, but they don't love their Constitutional

liberties - they only love the parts that protect them, but are very quick to be willing to strip those protections from anyone else who is 'different' then themselves. All men are created equal except the blacks, browns, gays, libruls, women and any of the 'other' religions comes much closer to describing those people.

And glad to see that you put "conservatives" in quotes - because they wouldn't know a real conservative (who I can respect if not agree with on all issues) if Barry Goldwater reached out of their monitors and bit them on the nose.

[BOSSHOG]

13. I think we are in total agreement

They love "their" constitutional liberties. And yet would use the constitution as a weapon against fellow citizens because they hate them. How American?!? I try to always put "conservatives" in quotes when I refer to them. They "believe" they are conservative because they are instructed to believe such. Yeah, Senator Goldwater would open a big ole can of whup ass if he were still with us.

My hate remains rational.

[Avalux]

6. About 30% will always believe that. They can't think for themselves.

Even if Bush himself admitted he lied about WMDs to take us into war, these people would rationalize it, unable to veer from what they 'believe'.

[ProfessorGAC]

7. I Didn't Believe It Then

I figured back then, Occam's Razor led me to "Saddam doesn't really have weapons, he just wants the Iranians and Kurds to think he does." His vaunted army was already eviscerated in GWI, so without the "threat" of WMD's invasion or insurrection became probable. The only teeth he had were the rumors of weapons.

If Silverspoon and his gang that couldn't shoot straight couldn't figure that out, shame on them.
The Professor

[trof]

8. I cannot fathom who these people are.

"I support George Bush because he's our president and you have to support the president so I support George Bush."

i.e. I believe this because I believe this.

Maybe they feel like they have too much "invested" in Bush to pull out now?
I dunno.
It just makes no sense.
But then neither do they.
I guess you CAN fool some of the people all of the time.
:-(

[gasperc]

9. the rest of the world had the same info and didn't invade

doesn't that say it all.
whenever you hear those conservative jackasses say that 'they' all had the same intelligence 'we' had, tell them, yeah, and 'they' decided not to invade. Countries like Canada, France, most of Europe.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

10. I just don't understand how anyone can justify this...

I knew the night of the SOTU speech in 2002 that Saddam had no WMD's just as I also knew on 9-11-01 that Saddam had absolutely nothing to do with those events.

I'm no government analyst or anything like that, but good old fashioned common sense told me that Osama and Saddam were on "opposite sides" and obviously despised each other. Iraq was a "secular" Muslim state. Women could hold jobs, go to school, hell even other religions were tolerated in Iraq. From what I gathered by reading the newspapers and watching a few TV shows, (Frontline, etc) Osama wouldn't have stood for anything remotely resembling that.

As for WMD's, it was quite obvious that Saddam didn't have them either. Hell if he had, does anyone think he wouldn't have used them in the decade previously against his "enemies" in Iraq and elsewhere?? He might have had "some" during Gulf War I, but they were discovered and destroyed after that by the UN inspectors.

These people that keep on insisting that Bush didn't know, "that he had bad information" are delusional just like Chucklenuts himself is...

[jobycom]

12. Let's pretend for a moment that that is true

It isn't, and common sense, CIA testimony, Colin Powell's speech, Bush's SOTU and the fact that he repeated information that we are sure he knew was false, and the DSM all prove it isn't, but let's pretend.

BELIEVING that there are WMDs is not legal justification for a war. You have to have proof. Absolute, incontrovertable proof. But there were no WMDs. So there was no incontrovertable proof (as the French, Germans, and Russians, not to mention a lot of American press, pointed out). There can't be proof of something that doesn't exist.

So if Bush believed there were WMDs, and invaded a nation based on those beliefs, it proves he is willing to slaughter hundreds of thousands of innocent people and to risk the stability of an entire region of the war based on his beliefs, not on reality, not on evidence, not on anything tangible. Such callous disregard for human life should disqualify one from being president, not to mention disqualify one from being considered a decent human being. It also proves he is dangerously incompetent when it comes to understanding and interpreting evidence.

He's either evil, or grossly incompetent. Actually, he's both, but these brainwashed robots aren't smart enough to grasp that.

[KharmaTrain]

14. Denial...More Than A River...A Way Of Life

These are almost like articles of faith...without them, these oxygen thieves would have to face reality. These are the idiots who glammed onto Kurt Weldon and still believe the WMDs are in caves inside Syria and Iran (ooga boooga booga). This feeds right into the wet dreams of the Kristols who can't wait to launch the missiles into Iran and justify an attack on Syria just for good measure.

The right wing is tattering as the ability to hang onto these myths or else what lingering support for this invasion will evaporate. Fear is the glue and WMD is the glue to the fear. We're now in a war for the "hearts and minds" of the freepers. C-SPAN is more than happy to spread their bile.

[rock]

15. I never argue when someone says bush* didn't know....

What an absurd, little man he is. He doesn't know anything.

[seabeyond]

16. all the repugs i know defending bush see it as cia error. that is what

they have been fed. it is coming to a surprise to a few i am talking to how what they are being told is exactly not true. this is why i am liking the libby hearing. it is making clear what we already know and knew at the time. cheney manipulated the information. they knew there was not a threat of wmds. it will come out