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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:26 PM Original message |
My 401K has lost 14% of it's value in the first 6 months of this year..... |
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n2doc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:28 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't you wish Social Security was "invested" in the market? |
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SCantiGOP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
16. the only thing I've made money on this year.. |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
73. BS - I've made a ton of $$$ this year - over 20%... |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
90. Yeah, I've lost too but kept the losses to a minimum. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #73 |
100. Internet stock tips are one of my favorite things about the internet.... |
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sourmilk (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:10 AM Response to Reply #100 |
109. There was no tip offered. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. You know that markets go up AND DOWN, right? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Yes... I know..... but the Clinton years spoiled me. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Yes, but that was an anomoly. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Not as soon as I had originally planned..... ;-) |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. If you are close to retirement and still have most of your savings in stocks |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. No no.... 10 to 20 years... was hoping for closer to 10 than 20, though... |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I don't see why you are so concerned about it |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Volatility doesn't bother me..... I expect ups and downs.... but this "down" feels different.... |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:50 PM Response to Reply #33 |
76. It is different, the value of your house has gone done along with the stock market! |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. The *price* of your home (don't know if I'd call it "value") |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #76 |
92. Well I don't care because my house is paid for. I plan on living |
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DailyGrind51 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
115. I did without a lot of things just to pay off a house and I intend on being |
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jpcrecom (121 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. agreed |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
53. that is just flat out gold carat false |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #53 |
77. The president has next to NOTHING to do with it. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:25 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. partially disagree - as noted in the examples in my post below |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:15 AM Response to Reply #77 |
112. You seriously.. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #112 |
125. LOL! You seriously... |
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joeglow3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:54 AM Response to Reply #112 |
129. What does a president directly control??? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #77 |
121. yeah it is just an accident |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. I disagree with part of that. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
78. Traditionally, over long periods (the past 80 years) stocks have |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. please cite your source - my sources say what I quoted. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:13 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. Ibbotsen is the usual source most of the fund companies use. |
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spooky3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. thanks - that includes dividends, though-- I was thinking stock market prices only |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. Oh, yes. Dividends reinvested. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. Yup. Technology fueled the 90's. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
111. A "bull" market.. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:39 AM Response to Reply #111 |
131. What? Stocks kicked inflation's ass from 1984 to 2000. |
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Xenotime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
79. Exactly. It would have continued to grow had * not stolen the election. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:48 PM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Absolutely wrong. There are no numbers that can prove |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #81 |
94. You bet - I got out of those inflated stocks before the value |
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BigDaddy44 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:12 AM Response to Reply #4 |
110. Yes, especially March 2000 to January 2001 |
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spotbird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. That's true |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. With reinvested dividends, it didn't take anything close to 30 years. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. I just ran a historical illustration... |
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Rockholm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
50. And when the market is down, you can get more shares. |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. You can thank BushCo top down economics for that |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
6. Then you're doing really well! what fund are you in... |
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Skink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
10. I moved the funds into Managed and Bonds 6 months ago... |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:54 PM Response to Reply #10 |
34. Suze likes her hyperbole. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
11. I have news- the financial de-regulation that's led to the current mess |
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EmperorHasNoClothes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
12. You haven't lost any money until you sell |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Exactly! n/t |
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TooBigaTent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
13. You are very fortunate to have a retirement portfolio. Most of us just try to get |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Bullshit. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:14 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. We don't waste money and we can't afford to put any money back. |
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TooBigaTent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. You think $60k makes you average. And your (implied) assumptions about me are way off. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
57. You said "only the wealthy" can afford to. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:11 PM Response to Reply #57 |
65. Sounds pretty extreme |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:19 AM Response to Reply #65 |
113. Trust me on this.. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. At $60K a year, you make well over the median income. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. $60,000 is about average for a houshold.... it is above the individual average, however.... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. And anyone who can sock 15% in a 401k is VERY lucky. nt |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. I disagree, it is about priorities. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Your smug attitude makes me laugh |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. Luckily I am NOT down for the year in the funds. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Savings won't always save you. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. I am not judging- I was disagreeing that only the wealthy can save. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #69 |
88. There's a difference between saving and investing. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 07:24 AM Response to Reply #69 |
114. Here is the simple truth.. |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #31 |
96. I've done it for 20 years. I looked at it as non money. It goes |
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Fla Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #31 |
120. No, it's not luck. It's discipline and having a plan..... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. 2006 median household income was about 48K. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
32. you make more than 1/2 the workers in the country, then. i'd guess |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
95. Gee we could be brother and sister. Us too. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #95 |
116. I guess it is just the way us "wealthy" people are. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. I talk to people every day about their 401k plans. |
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lynettebro440 (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #36 |
56. I also speak to people all day |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. I put away 15% when I made 30k a year. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:06 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Do you have children? Are you healthy? |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #56 |
99. Sounds like some of those people weren't suited for variable annuities. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 06:05 PM Response to Reply #99 |
126. Any bets those VA's were/are 7 + year products? n/t |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:33 AM Response to Reply #126 |
130. No bets here. Undoubtedly they were. Can you say "CDSC"? |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. I am a lucky one |
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tammywammy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. I make less than $30,000 and still manage to put a little away into a 401k |
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RebelOne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
15. Mine has taken a hit too, as well as my IRA. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
45. Huh? |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'm glad the markets are down while I am working and able to contribute to my 401k |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. The more shares, the merrier! |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. The concept of "buy low, sell high" is lost on too many investors |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. As is the concept, "Markets don't always go up." |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
66. That's one way to look at it. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #66 |
82. It can be scary, but not if you know the history of market cycles. |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
23. My Inflation Linked Bonds Are Up Over 14% Over The Past Year |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:27 PM Response to Reply #23 |
47. Do you have inflation-linked bonds as a choice in your 401(k)? |
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. 403b |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
83. Oh. I didn't know TIAA-CREF had an inflation-linked bond fund. |
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Super Soaker Sniper (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
24. Mine is up about 16%. |
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biermeister (425 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
25. did you include the devaluing of the dollar |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
37. I cashed out of mine last week |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Please listen to this guy: |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
49. Thanks for the info - much appreciated. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. That makes a big difference. |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. lol You're way over my head |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. You say you "cashed out" and "the deed was done last week." |
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Phred42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #97 |
124. I terminated the account. |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. Buy at a 14% discount |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
40. me too |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Are you retiring soon? n/t |
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carlyhippy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #41 |
54. no, I have a very long way to go, but |
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skooooo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. You'll be okay... |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #67 |
122. ???? Ummmm... |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. It's not easy for him to say because he knows you don't want to hear it. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #72 |
102. Well-said (as usual). |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 06:24 AM Response to Reply #102 |
108. I've been good. You sound like you've been busy. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 10:39 AM Response to Reply #108 |
117. Yup. I'm actually staying home this week, though. |
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screembloodymurder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:03 PM Response to Original message |
51. While you were going down the tubes, |
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flygal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
107. Montana's becoming a rich man's playground |
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Tight_rope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
52. I totally understand your being upset....It's like I'm working for nothing. |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
86. Does your employer match any contributions? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
59. We have decided to not even open the statements for a while |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
84. That's actually a wise strategy. |
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NeedleCast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
71. I moved 80% of my 401K into more conservative investments |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 09:58 PM Response to Reply #71 |
85. You have a portfolio manager at your 401(k) holder? |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #71 |
118. I'm not looking for a rebound anytime soon. It's going to get worse, |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #118 |
128. And you know this how? n/t |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
87. I'm planning on retiring in 10-15 years |
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JeanGrey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:21 PM Response to Original message |
89. Mine too but I still have way more money than I ever could |
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Common Sense Party (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:46 PM Response to Reply #89 |
98. People like you (with success stories) need to be heard more often. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-08-08 10:25 PM Response to Original message |
93. tell me about it. |
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mainegreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
119. Huh. I'm up 7%. |
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Tiberius (798 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-09-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
123. I "timed" the market |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:13 AM Response to Reply #123 |
127. Timing the market is possible but it takes a lot of time and thought |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-12-08 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
132. I reallocated to the "cash option" (money market) 4 months ago |
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