****OFFICIAL FISA THREAD 3**** (They're voting on the Dodd/Feingold/Leahy amendment)

[gateley]

[LSK]

1. Breaking Hard: Feingold votes for his Bill!!!

Unlike Grampy McSame!!!

:silly:

[redqueen]

6. Does anyone ever ask him to explain that?

Cause seriously... damn.

[Muttocracy]

2. "Mr. Feingold - Aye" - Specter voted "no"

[robinlynne]

7. I didn't expect that atfer yesterday. But Specter always does that.

[gateley]

42. I could have sworn just this morning he said he'd vote for all the amendments. nt

[davidwparker]

120. Not watching, but would that be talk tough before the cameras and then

do a 180-degree turn when it comes to the vote?

[redqueen]

3. Not holding out much hope here.

x(

[Muttocracy]

4. Mr. Sanders - aye :)

[robinlynne]

5. I count 16 ayes, but not sure. anyone have a count?

[LSK]

8. Obama votes Aye on Dodd - Feingold Amendment

[TahitiNut]

9. "Mr. Obama, Aye."

Pyhrric vote.

[redqueen]

Do you mean...

In that he already got bad press for waffling on the issue of immunity?


Some well-paid journalist guy on Olbermann recently pronounced that word "pie - rick". *sigh*

[maddezmom]

10. Obama voted aye

[KharmaTrain]

11. Obama Votes Aye...

So you have it...

[philly_bob]

My C-Span screen says it needs 60 votes to pass

and that last time it was voted on, it lost 31-67.

Not much hope.

[robinlynne]

ok. so if the ammendment fails, they CAN vote out the whole bill, right?

[redirish28]

12. Did I hear that right? Obama voted Aye for the Amendment?

[robinlynne]

14. yes. But he didn't speak or help the filibuster.

[Muttocracy]

20. and I guess he's planning on voting yes on the whole thing, without the Dodd-Fgold amdmt

[Breeze54]

31. We shall see....

[redirish28]

21. i'm surprised. Last I heard he wasn't going to vote for the Amendment.

[TahitiNut]

34. I never heard that - he's always said he opposes the immunity provisions.

At the same time, he's said the value(?) of the legislation outweighs the immunity provision. I disagree, but that's not unusual.

[Mass]

40. He always said he would. But, in final passage, he will vote for the bill even if the amendment is

not accepted.

[Windy]

44. His position was ALWAYS to stip the telecom immunity provisions from the bill...

no change in position at all

[Freddie Stubbs]

106. He said he would vote for amendments to improve the bill, and would support the bill even if those

amendments did not pass.

[LSK]

47. the filibuster hasnt happened yet

[Freddie Stubbs]

99. They voted on cloture back in June:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00158

[Breeze54]

13. K&R'd... Thanks, Gately !

[gateley]

15. Biden - Aye! (That's my guy!) nt

[Muttocracy]

18. yay! nt

[helderheid]

16. rec 2!

[thewiseguy]

17. Alot of No votes and Obama votes Aye

[gateley]

19. More Ayes than I thought there would be -- is there hope?? nt

[thewiseguy]

24. No. 60 Ayes are needed.

[LSK]

22. Clinton Aye?? I hear that?

[TahitiNut]

25. Yup.

[gateley]

26. Yep! nt

[redqueen]

30. I never got through to her office.

She must have been swamped with calls.

[Breeze54]

23. Clinton & Boxer... Aye !

[robinlynne]

27. Webb voted no? wtf

[Breeze54]

36. Follow the $$$....

:grr:

[Muttocracy]

39. telecoms big in VA? nt

[TahitiNut]

41. Yup. Telecomm is big in Virgina.

:shrug:

[davidwparker]

122. WTF is right if true. Maybe I need to sit out the 2012 senate vote here in VA.

[Muttocracy]

28. Webb no? :(

[helderheid]

35. damnit

[jgraz]

68. He's been a big proponent of telco immunity since he joined the Senate

That committee vote was when I scratched him off my list of possible VP candidate. Of course, that was before I knew that Obama would cave as well.

[gateley]

29. Webb NO???? nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

57. Webb was a life long republican and even voted for Bush for President

I think people forget that. He's come a long way but there is no way
but needs to make further steps.

[slipslidingaway]

32. Webb again votes no, just like he did in February :( n/t

[slipslidingaway]

48. February vote to strike immunity...link

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=2&vote=00015


Grouped By Vote Position YEAs ---31

Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Biden (D-DE)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Byrd (D-WV)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Casey (D-PA)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Harkin (D-IA)
Kennedy (D-MA)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Murray (D-WA)
Obama (D-IL)
Reed (D-RI)
Reid (D-NV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Tester (D-MT)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs ---67

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bayh (D-IN)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Carper (D-DE)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Conrad (D-ND)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Inouye (D-HI)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kohl (D-WI)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McCaskill (D-MO)
McConnell (R-KY)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Pryor (D-AR)
Roberts (R-KS)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Salazar (D-CO)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting - 2
Clinton (D-NY)
Graham (R-SC)

[Muttocracy]

33. Menendez aye, Whitehouse aye

[Muttocracy]

37. McCaskill no??... Kerry aye! :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

54. She changed her vote. Not a big surprise here. She is a Puke in Dems clothing.

[gateley]

38. McCaskill -- NO?? nt

[SharonRB]

52. Huh?

:wtf:

[MadHound]

Sadly predictable

She's a conservative Dem out of the KC machine. Yes, she's a bit better than Talent was, but only a bit.

I'm really hoping that next time she's up for election, Robin Carnahan(Mel's daughter) comes in to clean McCaskill's clock, get a truly progressive Missourian in the Senate.

[Muttocracy]

43. Hagel no :-( nt

[redirish28]

45. Does anyone know of a link I can go to that will have the vote published with ayes and nos

[Mass]

50. go to the senate website

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_110_2.htm

[redirish28]

thanks for the help.. Is it updated quickly?

[Freddie Stubbs]

115. It will likey take at least an hour (and maybe two or three)

[robinlynne]

53. It will be all over the internet in an hour or so my friend.

[slipslidingaway]

56. Link will be updated later....

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/vote_menu_110_2.htm

[robinlynne]

Feinstein. the b...........

[thewiseguy]

51. ...

:-(

[thewiseguy]

46. Salazar votes no!

:grr:

[CrispyQ]

55. Is anyone surprised?

Ken "I vote democratic about 25% of the time" Salazar.

[gateley]

49. How cool would it be if this passes, and the Nays only needed ONE MORE VOTE

to pass it, but McCain was a no-show? :evilgrin:

[thewiseguy]

58. For the third time we need 60 Ayes and I would be surprised if we even broke 40

So yea...:shrug:

[gateley]

82. I understand that - it's just a fantasy. nt

[robinlynne]

59. in a real democracy, thisd crap wouldn't have a chance!

[redqueen]

66. That would be unbelievably cool.

[Subdivisions]

60. Amendment failed. n/t

[Muttocracy]

62. 32-66 :( nt

[LSK]

as was predicted

[helderheid]

61. DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT DAMNIT

[EFerrari]

78. This atrocity is going to pass. What are we going to do?

My preference would be to redouble pressure on Conyers, if only for the record.

When does this Congressional session end, anyway?

[berni_mccoy]

110. We're Going To Elect Obama

So we can undo all the damage from the Bush Administration and the Repubs.

[EFerrari]

119. Sure. But I don't think that just caving from now until then

is a wise thing to do. It just teaches our reps that they can ignore us.

[berni_mccoy]

124. If you call it caving in then you are not really supporting Obama.

[EFerrari]

125. berni, I'm not talking about Obama. I'm talking about Congress.

Let's put Obama aside for a minute -- he's got an election to win.

I'm talking about the Dem Congressional leadership and the Committee chairs.

[nolabels]

123. Seems to me they are going the wrong way if they were trying to that.....

They also will run out of ideas to steal from Orwell at this rate :shrug:

George Orwell
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Orwell

[robinlynne]

63. 32 ayes 66 nos.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. Amerika is so screwed.

[SharonRB]

65. I still can't get the "Live" link to work on CSPAN

Thanks for keeping us up-to-date.

[Muttocracy]

70. try c-span 2

http://c-span.org/watch/cs_cspan2_wm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

stand-alone players off that page work better for me

[SharonRB]

76. That's what I always use

It's not working today.

[SharonRB]

79. Oooooh

From your link I could get to that page. From the TV schedule I couldn't. Thanks!

[gateley]

75. How aggravating -

I'll stop feeling sorry for myself for only getting audio.

[gateley]

67. Oh my god. I'm actually tearing up. This is heartbreaking. nt

[SharonRB]

71. Let's keep in mind that this bill only affects civil lawsuits

Criminal charges can still be brought at a later date.

[gateley]

104. I know, but I'm so disappointed in our "representatives" seemingly not

caring about what's right and wrong. Sigh.

[balantz]

121. From my understanding we needed the ability to have civil suits.

Presidential pardon can wipe out criminal suits I think.

[LSK]

69. wow Arlene doesnt look that good

[senseandsensibility]

74. I like what he's saying

though.

[B Calm]

72. This senate has been out of order all morning!

[robinlynne]

73. Spectert is crazy. He jsut voted no and now he argues against immunity!

[Muttocracy]

77. and saying earlier and now more debate needed, yet voted no - wants his own amdt?

[robinlynne]

84. obviously so.

[redirish28]

85. I don't want to sound rude but I honestly have to ask:

How much of the cancer treatment is effecting his judgement and mind?

[Muttocracy]

80. there's Byrd in the background (I asked about him earlier) nt

[gateley]

91. Oh - I'm so glad to hear he's actually there. nt

[gateley]

94. PS -- Have you seen Joe? Who's he hanging with? nt

[Muttocracy]

98. my video screen is so little and fuzzy when voting - can only pick out women in colorful suits!

[gateley]

107. Just wondered if he was in off-floor discussions with Obama...

:7

[Muttocracy]

108. Is that Clinton in the red jacket? lol

[Muttocracy]

113. oh, and Bond in that yellow jacket and with the head tilt! nt

[SharonRB]

81. Now what are they voting on?

[LSK]

86. I think Specter has an amendment

It is an amendment that they are voting on.

[SharonRB]

90. Is it a different one to strip immunity?

[Jersey Devil]

100. As I understand it, Specter amendment delays immunity

until an IG investigation is completed, then the bill reverts to full immunity.

[Subdivisions]

92. The Specter amendment calls for dismissing all active

lawsuits against telecoms.

[Muttocracy]

96. ack! nt

[gateley]

111. No kidding. Well put. nt

[slipslidingaway]

93. Specter amendment

from thomas

S.AMDT.5059 Amendment SA 5059 proposed by Senator Specter.
To limit retroactive immunity for providing assistance to the United States to instances in which a Federal court determines the assistance was provided in connection with an intelligence activity that was constitutional.

[robinlynne]

95. "requires lawsuits to be didsmissed unless a federal court finds the law has

been broken"

[Subdivisions]

112. Which law? The one that made warrantless wiretapping illegal?

Which they're basically retroactively making un-illegal?

The law has been broken so we'll just make the crime retroactively legal.

[slipslidingaway]

83. 5 months later they pick up ONE vote to srtike immunity...

great job!!!


:banghead:

[berni_mccoy]

89. It's better than NO vote.

[senseandsensibility]

87. Rockefeller is a real stand up guy. isn't he?

For the telecommunications industry, that is.

[Muttocracy]

88. roll-call on 2nd amendment - specter's - post from last thread

slipslidingaway Wed Jul-09-08 12:07 PM

117. Amendments....from Thomas

Voting on Dodd amendment

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5066 Amendment SA 5066 proposed by Senator Bingaman.
To stay pending cases against certain telecommunications companies and provide that such companies may not seek retroactive immunity until 90 days after the date the final report of the Inspectors General on the President's Surveillance Program is submitted to Congress.

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5059 Amendment SA 5059 proposed by Senator Specter.
To limit retroactive immunity for providing assistance to the United States to instances in which a Federal court determines the assistance was provided in connection with an intelligence activity that was constitutional.

7/8/2008:
S.AMDT.5064 Amendment SA 5064 proposed by Senator Dodd.
To strike title II.

[robinlynne]

97. ok. now I'm hoping for this one to pass. It's something.

[robinlynne]

102. depeding on who the federal judge is. They tend to be Bush appointees.

[SharonRB]

103. Yup

Better than nothing. Wish I could hear how they're voting.

[robinlynne]

117. This ammendment doesn't amke sense. it just takes the lawsuits out of their jurisdicitons

and changes the burden of proof.

[slipslidingaway]

114. Thanks for reading :)) n/t

[MiniMe]

101. What is the Specter amendment?

[robinlynne]

105. see thread above by Joel

[LSK]

109. new thread time?

[LSK]

116. thread 4 is up!!

[gateley]

118. ****THREAD 4*****

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3587427