It isn't cool or liberal to call the departing "cowards", IMO.

[Ilsa]

Some people are tired of fighting the constant battles and they want a better life for their families. I don't blame them. I'd probably leave if I could, but I have no idea where I'd go. But some people are ready to move on with their lives in a positive way -- they are tired of the negativity in their lives that comes from this disappointing struggle.

[Indenturedebtor]

1. I agree. I'd already be gone if I could be

Call me a coward if you like but the people who came to America came here for a better life. Were you all begotten by cowards then?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. People who are departing aren't liberals or cool, and "coward" certainly applies.

The choice is Obama or McCain.

Ergo, the people not voting Obama are just giving lip service to the Constitution. And a better life for their families, for that matter.

Fucking drama queens.

[exothermic]

4. Those are the presumptive choices. Not finalized.

Just sayin'

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

6. Primaries are over.

Get over it.

[exothermic]

7. The nominations have not been made yet. Get over -what-?

:wtf:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

8. The fact that McCain is going to lose.

:thumbsup:

[exothermic]

12. I was very certain Bush was going to lose in 2000 and 2004.

a lot of other people were, too.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Yes, I'm sure you were very worried.

[exothermic]

14. Well, nobody could argue with that sort of divine certainty.

Do you subtly insult all new people here? Is it a way to win support?


:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Win support?

You mean you're not already supporting Obama?

Hmm.

[BeHereNow]

20. I see you are over due for a DU WELCOME!~

Please know that many of us are frequently
embarrassed by certain members behaviors.

Also know this- they are the minority here.

Again- WELCOME to DU!
BHN

;-)

[exothermic]

34. thank you! I understand that...being a large community.

:D

[BeHereNow]

38. Glad to hear it- we are a large community and glad of your addition to it!

Carry on.
As you can see, we need all the blooms of civility we can muster
in our numbers.
Helps counter-act the weeds growing among us
BHN

[stimbox]

10. What state do you live in? There are more than 2 choices for president on California's ballot. n/t

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

11. There's Obama and McCain on the California ballot.

And McCain by proxy.

[saracat]

16. The FISA Vote was evidence of some just "giving lip service to

the consitution" they were sworn to protect.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Well speak of the devil.

[Oregone]

21. It has nothing to do with Obama or McCain...

Some people see the structure of society as unchangeable, and following dangerous trends. Some people do not think it is 'their' fight. Some people decided to leave before they ever heard of Obama.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

22. Suuuuuure.

Uh huh.

[Oregone]

26. Do you know how long it takes to apply for immigration and be approved?

Its juvenile to boil down the human condition to a battle between a 'rockstar' and a 'maverick'. Perhaps qualms are spawned due to anti-intellectualism that is rampant, so much so, that one would be attacked for taking a more complex look at a society and making a slow, educated reaction to it (for saftey and in pursuit of happiness).

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

29. It's going to be especially long for semi-literates with no real skills.

"Its juvenile to boil down the human condition to a battle between a 'rockstar' and a 'maverick'."

It's juvenile to say "I'm taking my ball and going home."

[BeHereNow]

31. Do you never tire of making a fool of yourself?

You are entertaining for a while, but I can't
imagine what it must be like to actually
live with yourself.
BHN

[Oregone]

32. Semi-literates with no real skills would not be accepted via Skilled Worker Immigration

The point is that leaving isn't a cowardly reaction to Obama vs McCain, when such a decision was reached half a decade before either became nominees. There is a more complex view of our society that causes people like me to leave. Im sorry you cannot see this, but you shouldn't attack out of confusion and misunderstanding.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

39. Exactly my point.

But thanks for letting it go over your head. That makes the joke twice as funny.

[Karenina]

35. Born is jes acting up! Don't pay him any mind.

Check his sig:" Jiggery-style oinkery what don't make no sense a'tall." But sometimes he cuts to the chase. (Pssst... this ain't one of those times.)
ALL GOOD THINGS to you and your family. You will cherish the choice you've made.

[ForrestGump]

40. Bull-oney

Your post is so full of crap that it's overloaded GD's crapometer.

And exactly what their departure has to do with voting for Obama or not voting for Obama kind of eludes me.

The USA (USA! USA!) is not the only game in town, you know. Some of us prefer to think of ourselves first as citizens of the world -- and, yeah, immigration policies often mess with applying that belief in reality -- than of any one country to which we just happen to have been born. Immigration/emigration is a constant, the world over, the irony being that it's what made this portion of the continent the formerly United (now disUnited) States of America in the first place. I wish our nationswappers well, wherever they may be coming to or leaving from and whatever their motivation.

[Canuckistanian]

42. There really is a better way of living

Without a conscience gnawing at you or knowing what your taxes are doing to the world through lethal weaponry.

I Canada ever became like America, I'd be moving, too.

It's not "cowardice".

It's refusing to play by their rules, after you've given your all to CHANGE the rules.

[exothermic]

3. Cowards either run away or fight back with guns.

It's a little complicated.

[Individualist]

5. Agree.

I'm ignoring the DLC supporters who are in all out snark mode today.

[aquart]

37. Ah, dismissive. That's the way to go.

[tridim]

9. We're at one of the most important turning points in American history..

and people want to give up and leave?

Screw that, I'm staying.

[Oregone]

18. Its easier to just delete their threads/thoughts...

Why bother with "Cowards". Oh, nevermind.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

19. You've got a good point.

Don't feed the trolls.

[Oregone]

23. Expressing opinions/thoughts does not make me a troll

And the thread I started certainly was not done to be a troll. I guess it really doesn't matter anyway.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

24. No, of course not.

Expressing opinions/thoughts that ultimately supports John McCain is what makes people trolls.

Duh.

[BeHereNow]

27. NOT that I expect a logical answer from you , but I'm asking anyway-

At what point did any one express support for McCain?

BHN

[Oregone]

28. Applying for immigration 5 years ago, and moving upon recieving a Visa, supports McCain?

Come on now...this is absurd

[BeHereNow]

30. Are you really surprised? Consider the source.

Down right comical most of the time.

Best of luck to you Oregone.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

25. Are you talking to yourself in front of the mirror again?

You really need to stop that.

BTW- I find your treatment of the newcomer on this thread
deplorable.

BHN

[uppityperson]

43. You know what I think? I think you are really being

an asshole here. I just had to let you know that.

[redqueen]

33. I agree. I would be gone already if I could afford it...

but, I'm stuck here. So I'll fight it out while I'm here. :)

[blues90]

36. that's true.

isn't it really the same thing if we called every person who came to the USA from their home country for a better life a coward? No one chooses their country of birth.

[YankmeCrankme]

41. Isn't that the real irony? Usually we call people who leave their home...

to come here and look for a better life brave. I mean, packing up and moving your entire family to a place unfamiliar, perhaps, different culture, maybe even a different language. But, if it's the other way around, they're cowards. It's really the exceptionalism that Americans have about themselves, they can't see a reason why people would want to immigrant from here.

USA...we're number 1!

[uppityperson]

44. I agree. Itcan take courage to emigrate. k&r