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Wed Jul-09-08 10:45 PM Original message |
The American Dream is over. |
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Pale Blue Dot
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't usually agree with you, but this is spot-on |
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DaveJ
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #1 |
30. Let me guess, you have a plan... |
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Pale Blue Dot
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:34 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. Lol. Not even close. |
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Fovea
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #30 |
70. Actually, i am on the other end of the scale. |
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Wcross
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
115. Isn't survival the number one priority for most people? |
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tburnsten
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Fri Jul-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #115 |
137. I notice this as well |
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Wcross
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Fri Jul-11-08 05:20 PM Response to Reply #137 |
142. I guess food comes from grocery stores......... |
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arcadian
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:49 PM Response to Original message |
2. You have to be asleep to believe in it. |
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PassingFair
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Even MANAGEMENT is waking up. |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
3. Sorry, what does this have to do with FISA? You need to make your post FISA-relevant |
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TwilightGardener
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. BTW, I do agree that our standard of living is in decline. Just a matter |
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man4allcats
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Wed Jul-09-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
5. Awh-h-h, quitcher bitchin'! Look at the bright side. |
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clovis29
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
7. This is a blip |
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SammyWinstonJack
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
64. . |
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Wcross
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
117. You don't realize how wrecked our economy is do you? |
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mountainvue
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Thu Jul-10-08 09:44 PM Response to Reply #7 |
125. Are you sharing the pills with the |
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liberalmuse
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is the first time I've seriously thought of buying a house... |
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cliffordu
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:15 AM Response to Reply #8 |
71. I can see the Canadian border from a hill in my little town..... |
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lynettebro440
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:48 PM Response to Reply #71 |
101. I applied a couple of days ago |
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Fovea
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
9. But hey, wasn't it one hell of a party? |
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Newsjock
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. K&R for this reply! |
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Wcross
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:00 PM Response to Reply #9 |
119. I also appluad your reply. |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. oh spare me |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Sorry, but the dynamics are totally different today. |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The oldest canard |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Show me history |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. And |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. It's obvious that you are a republican. Why are you here? |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. No, I am on this board |
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tchunter
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
110. ZOMG! he disagreed with you! |
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sudopod
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
134. WTF |
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tired
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Fri Jul-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
138. What does the length of time on this sight have to do with his post? |
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Common Sense Party
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Don't you know that to be a "progressive" means you must be a pessimist? |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Good god, you sound like Joseph Kennedy's shoeshine boy. |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. I sound like somebody |
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cliffordu
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:24 AM Response to Reply #25 |
73. Stay tuned. Every recovery was dependant on the supply of cheap energy. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #73 |
98. again, no vision |
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cliffordu
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:47 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Your nievete is charming. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:00 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. necessity |
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natrat
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
112. maybe your right maybe your wrong |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The operative phrase being: "Been a Union member for years" |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:46 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. If I sound like a Wingnut for saying the American Dream ISN'T over |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. If you know history, then you know that the last time our country emerged from |
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aspergris
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. not even close |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #26 |
33. And people living during the Great Depression |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Who is this "we"? |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:31 AM Response to Reply #37 |
42. Where are the Hoovervilles? |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:34 AM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Btw, just to dispel this "freeper" accusation |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. As will McCain. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Mccain won't spend jack cause he won't win... |
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Fovea
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #42 |
76. Right across the kansas river from me |
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Political Heretic
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
109. Try East St. Louis. |
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MattSh
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
84. So, this is as bad as this one will get? |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Will the mods please do something with this freeper. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Please quote |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:08 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Get a life jerk. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. I already provided case cites and data |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
44. Half the American people have nothing in the stock market |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:08 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. How wrong you are |
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Elwood P Dowd
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:48 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. You're the one with no real knowledge and nothing but republican talking points. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:34 PM Response to Reply #51 |
95. Anything you don't understand is.... |
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kineneb
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:50 PM Response to Reply #47 |
102. some of us don't have any liquid assets...period |
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tnlefty
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Fri Jul-11-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
130. Curious, why are your references consistently the stock market? |
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lastliberalintexas
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #130 |
132. S/he posted that s/he is a trader |
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tnlefty
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #132 |
136. I noticed that and it does help to explain the skewed point of |
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EOTE
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #32 |
81. Take it easy! |
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sudopod
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #32 |
135. Srsly, who peed in your cornflakes this morning? nt |
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BigDaddy44
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:15 PM Response to Reply #28 |
111. Wow |
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Truth4Justice
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
49. I wish I had your optimism. Things look pretty bleak for many many people. |
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ladjf
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #49 |
61. And to add to your list, the deteriorating environment, weather, |
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Fovea
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
72. Ask any economist |
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ProfessorGAC
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. Not All Of Us Say That |
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Fovea
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Sorry |
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ProfessorGAC
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. So True |
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DailyGrind51
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
86. I've got 17 years on you and can assure you that this time IS different! |
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Chimichurri
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. My first bank account gave me a 5% on my savings. You can't |
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DailyGrind51
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #87 |
116. That's right, and a lot of people really depend on interest to supplement |
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Deja Q
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
103. 50/50 chance that it's always darkest before the storm too. |
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StClone
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. Our Government died first |
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ladjf
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
62. "Dem's in office offer no resistance" Will we ever be able to find |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
15. But as I've learned recently, right here on DU |
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
17. the op is right. we should all just give up. i mean, what's the point? |
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:47 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. I think that the op is saying, |
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Wed Jul-09-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. wow. you got that from the op's post? |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. I think he understands better than McCain does. nt |
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:22 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. ah, ok. so when i vote in november, i will definitely look for "he" on my ballot... |
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mrreowwr_kittty
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Do what you want. I'm voting for Obama. nt |
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ladjf
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:26 AM Response to Reply #17 |
63. The current situation is bad. But, giving up is always a bad move. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
38. and if you're over 45, no one will hire you due to age discrimination |
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DailyGrind51
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #38 |
85. Those over the age of 50 who retrained for a new field are finding |
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #85 |
89. now you're scaring me |
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DailyGrind51
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #89 |
118. If this is at all encouraging, |
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:48 PM Response to Reply #89 |
124. your job search |
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
39. And then there's the environment. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:04 AM Response to Reply #39 |
54. The trees are dying? Do you mean the redwoods? |
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Gregorian
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
74. You might have seen me. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 12:31 AM Response to Original message |
41. "The American Dream" never existed except for a privileged few. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:09 AM Response to Reply #41 |
48. Right. |
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Fox Mulder
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. There are scores of millions more who are poor... |
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:56 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Your point and his aren't mutually exclusive. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:01 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Except I look at the #'s |
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nomorenomore08
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:12 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Some people are doing fine. Others are struggling very, very hard right now. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:20 AM Response to Reply #55 |
57. "Don't you see what's happening here? |
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #57 |
78. I think that most of us find it out in our teens now |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
94. that's a big part of the problem |
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Indenturedebtor
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. Sure many people do live beyond their means |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:01 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. I think they do a mediocre job |
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
126. Honestly I don't need a rose garden...I just want a full time job |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:18 AM Response to Reply #53 |
56. We buy with the dollars we have and not the dollars |
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aspergris
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
131. exactly |
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:46 AM Response to Original message |
59. why stop at 45...? |
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DailyGrind51
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
60. If you're on the 60 side of 50, you understand it too! |
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:51 AM Response to Reply #60 |
67. I have felt the first little hints of age discrimination |
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Truth4Justice
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Thu Jul-10-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #60 |
88. You hope you get lucky and have a massive coranay attack. No one cares anyhow. |
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DailyGrind51
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Fri Jul-11-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #88 |
141. Only if the coronary kills you. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
65. very true |
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:45 AM Response to Original message |
66. There is much truth in what you are saying, Writer, but it has happened before and it's not the end |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
68. But what you or your parents paid for college in 1980 is nothing compared to today |
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slackmaster
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Thu Jul-10-08 09:07 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Yes, college was heavily subsidized in California when I was attending |
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MedleyMisty
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
79. My dreams aren't about material crap |
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:39 PM Response to Reply #79 |
97. sleebarker -> very well put... |
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Thu Jul-10-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
82. It always was a "dream". One induced by greed. |
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Throd
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
90. No it isn't. |
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aspergris
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:41 PM Response to Reply #90 |
99. Yup... |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
91. Get sick- go bankrupt |
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kineneb
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:52 PM Response to Reply #91 |
104. been there... |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
92. Well, if it substantiates my OP a bit more, my husband just got laid off this morning. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
93. Mother Nature bats last. Exponential growth always ends. |
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kineneb
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
105. must say: it is only a "dream" not a reality |
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Political Heretic
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Thu Jul-10-08 06:59 PM Response to Original message |
106. I'm living well.... because I went bankrupt and then lowered my expectations :P |
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Joe Holmes
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
113. I disagree. |
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Thu Jul-10-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #113 |
114. Joe, that's a good story, but I have to ask: |
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Joe Holmes
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. Answer: |
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hunter
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Fri Jul-11-08 12:42 AM Response to Reply #120 |
127. So Joe, how much of your "success" is just dumb luck? |
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Joe Holmes
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Fri Jul-11-08 08:26 AM Response to Reply #127 |
129. Bad shit happens, thats true. |
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lastliberalintexas
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Fri Jul-11-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Not to get too personal, but since you posted about your cancer |
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ChimpersMcSmirkers
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:08 PM Response to Original message |
121. You Whiner! Just think positive thoughts and you'll be ok... |
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Kip Humphrey
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
122. Aw yes, the middle-class crack that is the consumerist American Nightmare kind of Dream. |
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NeedleCast
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Thu Jul-10-08 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
123. End Is Near |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse
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Fri Jul-11-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
128. When American Dream comes up, I never tire of telling my in-laws story |
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Fri Jul-11-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
139. let me clue you into something, there never ever was an "american dream"... |
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Fri Jul-11-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
140. I'VE ALWAYS SAID THAT THE TRUE AMERICAN DREAM IS TO BE IN 'DEBT'! |
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Fri Jul-11-08 05:50 PM Response to Original message |
143. Even with a Dem President installed, does anyone think 09 is going to be better then 08? |
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Fri Jul-11-08 06:28 PM Response to Reply #143 |
144. Probably not, but with Obama in office, things might start to look up in '10 and afterward. |
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Fri Jul-11-08 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
145. I really hate the fact that big business interests outweigh the populace's interests. |
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