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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:58 AM Original message |
Why I don't give two S***s about FISA |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
1. But, but, but the Fourth Amendment as been destroyed. The Constitution is...finished. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. One single event, even as small as FISA |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
23. It is long since gone anyway |
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tridim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Here's what your avatar has to say about this.. |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 12:54 PM Response to Reply #25 |
68. This is the part of that interview that so many seem to want to disregard: |
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lame54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
2. What does this mean to you?... |
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SidneyCarton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:55 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. So go drink your hemlock |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
3. FISA could eventually be used to block organizing efforts |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. And do you think Obama would use it for that? |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. moot, not mute...and Obama is still a hell of a long way from the W.H. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #12 |
16. damn it was moot, sorry forgot to hit the check spelling button |
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FiveGoodMen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
38. "Nor do I think any president will use it for that" |
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. He's human, isn't he? |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's not either FISA OR the Iraq occupation, or the economy, or |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #6 |
10. I am not... |
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nightrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
53. okay, so what other Constitutionally-provided freedoms etc are you |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
7. there is NO issue more important the restoring than Constitution. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Where did it go? Did some one steal it? |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #8 |
57. Legislative decisions...by Congress, by the Supreme Court... |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
9. Then you don't actually understand the American government |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. And who do you think is more likely to do that? |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #11 |
14. I don't understand the point of your post. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. FISA is not a deal breaker |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. But. One of the reasons we all want Bushco out of power is they |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. You keep saying the Constitution was destroyed |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The 4th Amendment, to be precise. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I took the time to actually read the FISA bill |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:15 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yes, I did read the bill. Again, I don't understand you. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. nevermind you refuse to understand other peoples |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:22 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. In that I asked you to clarify, I am TRYING to understand you. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:42 PM Response to Reply #24 |
60. Actually, it gives immunity... |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #18 |
26. Nose, face...spite |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. I lost it all fighting for the right to organize in 2006. The case is now at the United Nations. |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
59. Skip Obama and McCain. Think 100 years into the future... |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
13. Fine for you. What about our grandchildren? |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. And who is going to do away with it? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. It will be whittled away gradually by the very people we "legally" elect. |
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Phillycat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Maybe even if they aren't too poor. |
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murray hill farm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 11:59 AM Response to Original message |
22. I agree after thinking it over. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I am glad you understand my post |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:52 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. A touch of cognitive dissonance.. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:24 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Did you actually read my post? |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 12:09 AM Response to Reply #55 |
66. I read the entire post.. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:09 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. But why are you willing to trust him to "fix" it when he could have worked to stop it |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:12 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I understand this position |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Yeah, you're right. There won't be any suggestion he's weak on terror, now. |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
36. FISA means a lot more than simply "listening in on your phone calls"... |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I know what it is about...I have read the bill |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
65. I'm not one of those "idiots".... |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-11-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I also saw Rockefeller |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 01:18 PM Response to Original message |
37. this is pathetic |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:46 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Tell you what, let me educate you |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
62. Wow... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
41. To those of us that understand freedom, FISA means a great |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
42. Here's the problem. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Ok see now thats an understandable argument against FISA |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Only if he has a Democratic Congress. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. I don't think we have anything to worry about there |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. You "know" Obama will change FISA once he's elected. Awesome. I guess we're all idiots for not |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. You should, do you honestly think McCain is more likely to change it? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:56 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. No. I don't. But that only means we have two bad options and we'd better start organizing. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
50. Why am I a tad suspicious of someone who calls the Democratic party.. |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. Because thats what I am used to saying and typing |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:39 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. You're welcome n/t |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:00 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I hope you will educate those you work with... |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
56. And so, how do you feel ...in Ohio...about the Constitution? Here... |
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rg302200 (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #56 |
61. I said nothing about the Constitution |
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YvonneCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-10-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. By saying that all this hoopla around Obama's FISA vote... |
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