The way I see it is we are going to get justice or we have lost our way of government,

[madokie]

You just can't have it both ways. The written law is the law of the land not individuals and the written law is to impeach and remove from office anyone who does not uphold his/her oath, there's no if, and, or buts in there and it is our responsibility as citizens to insure that of happening. There is no provisions in our Constitution to do otherwise, nada. It may come down to us having to march on Washington in numbers that can't be ignored but we will get justice if we continue to demand it. IMHO

[yellerpup]

1. If that's what it takes.

I'm there! :toast:

[madokie]

3. after all they were thinking about someone like w when it was written

and all the tools are there we just have to make sure they are used correctly. when I say correctly I'm thinking back to the Clinton fiasco

[yellerpup]

4. Good point.

Congress should have gotten the message from the last election. If they didn't we're going to have to say it louder. Showing up en masse would do it.

[madokie]

6. I really don't want to loose our Democracy and if we can't convince our representatives

any other way then we must. damn them congress critters anyway for not having already done their duty, upholding their oath

[yellerpup]

8. You ain't wrong, brother.

Power to the people! :patriot:

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[SaveOurDemocracy]

2. I agree ...

If we don't support and reinforce our Constitution by mandating that our elected officials abide by it, and don't hold accountable those who abuse it and their positions, we may as well hand them the lighter to torch it as meaningless and irrelevant.

I don't understand people's reluctance to do the 'heavy lifting' involved in protecting our country and Constitution.

[catmandu57]

5. It may be that we have to stay in DC

for a lot longer than a weekend march, that may be the only way we have to get people to notice that if a few hundred thousand citizens come to stay and are joined daily, they can't kill all of us and that is a possibility that it comes down to physical violence.

[madokie]

7. I lived my whole life up until the last 6+ years believing in the American dream

seven years ago I could not have been convinced we would be where we are today but here we are up shit creek without a paddle so to say.

[TahitiNut]

9. Yep. The 'buck' stops in the laps of ordinary citizens. Nowhere else.

All the finger-pointing in the world can't shift the responsibility. It's ours. Unless and until 'We The People' DEMAND accountability and compliance with the law from our elected public servants, we don't deserve a democracy. The price can only go up, day after day, for reclaiming our self-governance. Non-violent civil disobedience at the risk of life and limb has been the price paid in the past. (Clue: Selma.) At some point, only scores of our dead bodies will suffice.