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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:04 PM
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When was the last time you heard of flooding - - in Arizona?
Extreme flooding in Mesa, AZ, as I type. Seems weird to me, though I have never lived there.
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exothermic Donating Member (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:05 PM
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1. Not for several weeks! It's usually dry there.
:-)
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newmajority Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:06 PM
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2. Flash floods are common in monsoon season
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 02:09 PM by newmajority
The street my grandmother lived on (in Catalina) used to wash out every summer. They finally wised up and paved it.

The reason it floods is that it's normally so dry there that the soil "forgets" how to hold water, so when you dump a huge amount of water all at once, it can't soak in, as it would in a state where there's a little more moisture in the ground year round.
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BridgeTheGap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:06 PM
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3. My ex lived in Tuscon for several years in the early 80s
she said it happened there during infrequent down pours. Because there is so little rain, there is no drainage system. She said she saw people canoeing down streets.
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Andy823 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:10 PM
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7. I was in Tucson in the 60's
Lived there for 6 years, and saw a lot of flash floods. People would try and drive through them and get swept way in their cars.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:22 PM
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11. Lived in Tucson for 8 years
Moved from Tucson in 2005, Pima County passed a "Stupid Driver Law" targeted against people who pass barricades and try to drive through flooded washes. The idea was to charge people who got stuck, the cost for the fire department rescue, I know while we were there they rescued several stupid drivers but never made them pay.

We did see a lot of flash floods during the Monsoon season. Not only is the drainage inadequate, the type of desert only soaks up so much water, and then the flooding starts.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:07 PM
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4. When you don't get rain in a very, very long time...
And the ground is a desert and then you get a downpour, it'll happen.

Listening to Sam Seder sitting in for Malloy last night, the engineer in Phoenix said they were getting a wild rain storm during the last hour of the show. Must have been a doozy.
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aspergris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:07 PM
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5. I'm in Phoenix right now
On a little trip.

HEAVY HEAVY rain last night.

Summer storms in AZ can get kind of hectic.

Unlike Seattle where it drizzles for days on end, rain in AZ is usually ferocious but short lived

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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:09 PM
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6. I think it's because of the ground there
The hard earth doesn't absorb water quickly, so when they get a severe storm the water has nowhere to go. The neighborhoods there usually have parks that also serve as flood basins--they are large grassy areas that are lower than the rest of the neighborhood, with steep sides. That way, when heavy rains come, all the water can collect there.
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mrreowwr_kittty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:11 PM
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8. OMG, I was driving home in the storm last night in Phoenix.
I have never been so frightened on the road in my life! :scared: First, the dust storm blew sand and debris all over the place. Then the rain. It was torrential. You could not see 5 feet in front of you. I've lived in rainy places before, and been through hurricaines and typhoons. What happened last night didn't compare to those, obviously, but definitely the worst driving conditions I've been in.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:44 PM
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16. Do NOT drive through puddles in Phoenix!
Especially when there's actual water in the Salt River busily taking out bridges...
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:12 PM
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9. Hope everyone is harvesting the rain!
The heavy monsoons can fill up cisterns that will last a long while.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:54 PM
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17. Our "cisterns" are full
The reservoir system that feeds most of Phoenix is at 90% full this year. We had a good winter snow pack up north and some good rains. They are actually releasing water most days. I hear that the Salt River inner tubing is great this year.


http://www.srpwater.com/dwr/report.asp?dt=7/11/2008
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:17 PM
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10. Places in the desert southwest
have their sporadic flash floods and periodic 10 - 100 year mega floods.

Here's a clip from dry-as-a-cracker El Paso in 2006:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nt8GXQ3v32A
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:25 PM
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12. It's not uncommon during the summer
A rain which would cause a mild rise in a creek in the east can turn into a flash flood in no time in the southwest.
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ben_meyers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:25 PM
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13. Last year, and every year that I have lived here.
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 02:28 PM by ben_meyers
2-4 inches of rain at one time isn't all that uncommon during our summer "monsoon" season, and every year people drive into the washes and get stuck. That's why we have a "stupid motorist" law, 2000 bucks if you drive around a barricade.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/07/11/20080711stormaftermath.html
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:39 PM
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15. I learned something today from everyone!
I think of AZ and I think of all that dry heat vs. our So. TX humidity and rain. And we also have bozos that drive into water when they have no clue how deep it is.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 02:27 PM
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14. Floods are potentially more dangerous in the desert regions.
Because when they do get severe rain it only has one place to go. The ground is so compact that it stays on the surface for much longer. This often creates a "wall of water" type effect in flood prone areas like arroyos and dry washes.
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az chela Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 03:50 PM
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18. We have had a lot of floods here but not for the last
few years.Prescott has been flooded many times and people actually drown crossing the creeks
on several of the streets here in town
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