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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:48 PM Original message |
US oil companies are shipping record amounts of gasoline and diesel fuel to other countries. |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. this was reported the other day and the media took a big snooze...nobody wants to know or admit it |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Yep, I saw it, and it needed reporting again |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
14. agreed! |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:54 AM Response to Reply #4 |
32. Kick and Rec. |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. K & R .... |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
3. the Repubs want every drop of oil in ANWAR for EXPORT ONLY...fact |
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FREEWILL56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:46 AM Response to Reply #3 |
38. The cry back in the 70s was to drill drill drill |
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The Wielding Truth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:22 PM Response to Reply #3 |
74. Will they pay FMV for the leases? To whom will they pay it ? |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
5. we're being Enroned |
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bluesmail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
6. I read that OilMovements is reporting tankers just sitting, full |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
7. Simple enough to remember: 33% more exported |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. A bell just went off....Isn't this what the pharmaceutical companies do? nt |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 08:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
79. China and India sell things to us, because we will pay more for them |
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The Backlash Cometh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
8. This is treason! |
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file83 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #8 |
42. Which is really just business as usual for this Corporate Administration. |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. In a globalized market isn't the distinction between foreign and domestic meaningless? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Our government and congress should not lie to us. |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 07:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. If the dems aren't clean enough to call the Cheneygroup on this, they might as well |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I just feel tired of fighting now. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:30 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Never did matter to them. |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #21 |
52. CheneyGroup? |
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bbinacan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:39 PM Response to Reply #9 |
13. You are correct. n/t |
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eallen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Yep. Which is why the GOP mantra about drilling in the US is wrong.... |
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valerief (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #9 |
67. There is no such thing as a free market. It's just rhetoric. There is, however, |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #67 |
73. Very true. |
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Tutonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:21 PM Response to Original message |
11. Oh and by the way. That oil in Iraq. It's on its way to China. The |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. I had not seen that. |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Seems like a good solution might be to make the oil sold to China... |
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Tutonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Yes I think it was in Rueters about a month or two ago. The |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #24 |
92. Is there oil in China? It's a huge country. Do they do any explo? |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-16-08 04:16 AM Response to Reply #11 |
98. Should we force Iraq to sell us their oil at reduced prices because we "liberated" them? |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
15. K&R.nt |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 05:36 PM Response to Original message |
17. THERE IS NO CURRENT GASOLINE/OIL SHORTAGE.. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 06:00 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. They are especially deluding my state....the opinion change is amazing |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 10:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I'm sure they will feel patriotic |
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salin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:06 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. how soon do they think this "difference" would show up as a price |
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azul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 07:13 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. A faked crisis to get the US public to buy into a bad business and divert |
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DarthDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:26 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. Yup |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:55 AM Response to Reply #30 |
53. Catch on? |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #17 |
54. Although speculation is not helping, |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:28 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. The guy on CNBC did not say that $75 was the "real" price |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. That ends up being the same thing, |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:45 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It would be a start.. |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. i fully agree. |
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LSK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. there is no demand problem! we are in a recession |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #69 |
89. Global demand, not domestic. |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:04 PM Response to Reply #17 |
57. This is where the Strategic Petroleum Reserve would help ... |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #57 |
75. ...or not |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #57 |
96. i wish it were that easy. |
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Terry in Austin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:01 PM Response to Reply #17 |
76. DRILLING OFFSHORE WON'T CURE THE OIL SHORTAGE |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 06:03 PM Response to Original message |
20. It's about REFINED petroleum products, not crude. If anything, it's about refinery capacity. |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 10:38 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Probably due to what would be a glut of product |
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leveymg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:33 AM Response to Reply #27 |
36. That's correct. Consumption has declined, ethanol production up. So, they export to prevent "over- |
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BearSquirrel2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. I think we are exporting crappy oil ... |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 10:31 PM Response to Original message |
25. Don't forget the deal |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-13-08 11:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I did forget that, thanks. |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:17 AM Response to Original message |
29. backfiring |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 05:27 AM Response to Original message |
31. wouldn't that be because u.s. refineries make gasoline for other countries...? |
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Cherchez la Femme (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:06 AM Response to Original message |
33. Logical proof: |
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Dr.Phool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:43 AM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Not to mention that they colluded to close a lot of refineries last decade. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:25 AM Response to Original message |
35. I read somewhere that all the ANWR oil is designated for export |
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MiniMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
39. Snopes |
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psychmommy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 07:14 PM Response to Reply #39 |
78. did you check out the sources snopes used. |
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melm00se (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
40. this is |
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raccoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 07:56 AM Response to Original message |
41. Don't TPTB realize that this will put the US economy in the toilet? |
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NJCher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:15 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. yes, but... |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 08:09 AM Response to Original message |
43. What should be sell to other countries? Anything we sell abroad reduces |
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MiJaMu (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:25 AM Response to Reply #43 |
49. finished goods vs natural resources |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 06:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
77. I agree that we should at least be competitive in markets. |
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nxylas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:05 AM Response to Original message |
44. But we must defend everything environmentalism opposes |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
47. RFK Jr. tried to make this point on Larry King. |
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MiJaMu (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
48. but...from the same article |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:33 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. At one point . . believe it or not . . . |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:20 AM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Too little too late on the electric car, but would have been nice decades ago. |
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Papa (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. There is a substitute for oil, and that substitute is .... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
83. Wow . . . and if I recall correctly, business uses more than 80% of our water . . . |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
86. The problem is the energy return on investment: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:19 PM Response to Reply #56 |
82. Baloney . . . any day we don't have gas-guzzlers on the roads is a day |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:49 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. It is a day, but no more or and possibly less. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Nothing alone is going to "save" us from patriarchal /capitalistic stupidies . . . |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #91 |
95. Although public transportation and small cars are far better, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
50. Creating shortages . . . the Enron way . . . make the product disappear . . . !!! |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 02:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. When are we putting these people in jail? When their puppets no longer |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:14 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. I think Ike passed us a **&&^%%((**^^ MIIC . . . |
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Raster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. I don't think Ike was warning us about what was to come or could come, |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
93. Come on . . . Ike knew a few things . . .but he seemed a little shy about |
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ooglymoogly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 11:16 AM Response to Original message |
55. KR nt |
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riona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
59. Let's see |
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Fireweed247 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
61. It's the Enron Loophole Stupid! |
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madokie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'm sure thats how they're keeping the bottom line up |
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windoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
65. What a racket |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 01:23 PM Response to Original message |
68. Reid's previous statement on offshore drilling. Playing both sides |
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whistle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
72. So this is what "free trade" means |
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KelleyKramer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 09:33 PM Response to Original message |
80. Why is it shocking that the media is not covering this? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-14-08 10:38 PM Response to Original message |
84. And what is our Democratic Congress doing about this . . . ???? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 10:14 AM Response to Original message |
90. Not shocking at all that the media is not talking about this shit...just like they are not telling |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
94. Kicking. |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-15-08 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
97. I'm not surprised. We should all know by now those bastards are scamming us all but good. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
99. I see Crist has flip flopped and is now for off shore drilling. |
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