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Mon Jul-14-08 03:50 PM Original message |
It's not 'satire' if it can't tell you it's 'satire'. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
1. The print media doesn't use smileys. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Lol! Maybe they should! nt |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. It's satire. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Ah... so you're saying that outside context is required. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #9 |
23. Are you saying that everyone has to "get it" for it to be satire? |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. No, what I'm saying, that you clearly reiterated, is that it does not convey |
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Hugabear
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #23 |
138. Silly, none of those pictures are satire |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #138 |
146. Wow, |
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Hugabear
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
170. Oh really |
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Iris
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #9 |
202. yeah, cause so many New Yorker readers believe Obama is a Muslim terrorist. |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #202 |
212. That was the point. You apparently didn't read the OP either. |
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Iris
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #212 |
213. sorry. I'm functioning on sleep deficit. |
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jobycom
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
4. The first time I heard Rush Limbaugh, I thought it was satire. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. It's not whether it's 'geared' to the LCD or not, it's a stand-alone message |
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jobycom
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. People who miss that it's satire are to blame for missing it. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I'm not disagreeing with you, but this, as a stand-alone piece, is more easily perceived as |
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jobycom
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Back to my point. The New Yorker's target readership |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
94. Oh not at all. |
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Iris
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
203. bingo. n/t |
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aikoaiko
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
5. Yeah, A Modest Proposal should have started, "This is satire". |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Really? I thought "A Modest Proposal" was a pamphlet... you know... with words. |
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aikoaiko
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #10 |
31. Swift didn't need to declare his work satire becaue it was outrageous. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
99. And, as I said about the WRITTEN word, it was able to demonstrate, through SEQUENCE |
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aikoaiko
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Tue Jul-15-08 06:23 AM Response to Reply #99 |
140. "words require linear resolution"? |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #140 |
152. Again, we're talking about extraneous knowledge. |
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BreweryYardRat
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #5 |
68. There's a big difference between this and "A Modest Proposal." |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
98. Wow... that's what my wife said too. |
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sakura
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:14 PM Response to Reply #68 |
222. Exactly. Many Americans won't see this as hyperbole. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
6. It would have been satire if it were in the magazine facing an article |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #6 |
14. Precisely. I also can't help but notice almost all the responses here have missed the point; |
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XOKCowboy
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Thank you so much... |
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wuushew
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. MSNBC probably gets a few million hits a day at least |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #14 |
33. The form is the context. n/t |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #6 |
90. Thank you for singlehandedly re-writing the rules for satire. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #90 |
100. What about the image conveys that it is 'satire'? |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Mon Jul-14-08 03:59 PM Response to Original message |
7. if you actually read the new yorker ever, you would know its satire |
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Mojambo
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. There were quite a few people here who did just that in the early days of the Colbert Report. n/t |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. so is that colberts fault or their own? are journalists responsible for our stupidity? |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. The image provides no context. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. Of course it does. It puts the front running couple in the Oval Office |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. So you're not afraid of putting terrorists in the Oval Office? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. The fact that it's a CARTOON should be a big clue. n/t |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. Cartoon: definition |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Yes, but the image contains none of it's own context. It's a depiction of the Obamas as |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Have you looked at the image? |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. What are the cues? Seriously, let's go over them and I'll show you what I mean. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. I tried to post the graphic to do just that but I can't get it to load. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:02 PM Response to Reply #52 |
55. I'll have to get back, we're running out the door right now. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. I'm on a temp machine that keeps loading the CREDO ad. |
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A HERETIC I AM
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
85. For what it's worth, I couldn't agree with you more. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:31 PM Response to Reply #52 |
91. Here we go; |
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Gormy Cuss
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:54 AM Response to Reply #91 |
143. The work by itself is satire, exactly as sfexpat outlined. |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #143 |
150. It's interesting that "Michelle" can be figured as a Black Militant directly |
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Gormy Cuss
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:01 PM Response to Reply #150 |
151. I think the whole "Obama is an Islamist" rumor was a clever way to put him down |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #151 |
160. In Obama's case, "Muslim" is obviously code. |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #143 |
161. You've reiterated MY point; |
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Gormy Cuss
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. The graphic includes "The New Yorker." That's context. |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #166 |
172. That certainly helps... IF you read and understand The New Yorker. |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:09 PM Response to Reply #172 |
185. That's willful misreading. There's nothing in the image that indicates |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:06 PM Response to Reply #185 |
211. Ummm... yeah, that's pretty much what I said... |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #211 |
217. First, you need to go look up "cartoon". I posted the definition |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #91 |
148. What I finally think is the DU gets very protective of their Democrats. |
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LanternWaste
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
147. The same standard of cues which allows us to recognize... |
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SteelPenguin
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. I think you'd have to be a grade A fool to think it's serious |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:34 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. "If it's ridiculous, then it must be satire" isn't reliable... otherwise this; |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:53 PM Response to Reply #15 |
71. its a bloody cartoon in a left wing magazine |
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Mojambo
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #13 |
25. Oh, their own definitely. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. It really is as if half the respondents, yourself included, didn't ACTUALLY read the OP. |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:34 PM Response to Reply #47 |
92. This is ridiculous |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:40 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. There's nothing 'on it's own' that conveys satire... THAT's the point. |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. How about the fact that he's not a fucking terrorist? |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
105. Your assumptions are proving you can't deal with the concepts at hand. |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. I give up. You obviously cannot be reasoned with |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
119. You keep reiterating something I haven't done. Sorry, but "repeat until true" only works in RW world |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #119 |
125. You just repeated what you claimed you didn't say! |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:29 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Holy crap, read it again until you get it. |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #127 |
134. "by itself, the piece cannot be construed as such" |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #134 |
162. You've reiterated it, yet you still can't seem to understand it. |
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Hugabear
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. You don't fucking get it. |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:53 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. So when the RW site depicts Obama as a terrorist, that's 'satire'? |
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Hugabear
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #173 |
180. Yes, it would actually |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:05 PM Response to Reply #180 |
182. So no matter how offensive something is, it's 'just satire' and therefore shouldn't offend? |
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Hugabear
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:11 PM Response to Reply #182 |
186. Quit putting fucking words in my mouth |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #186 |
192. Done nothing of the sort. Your clue should be that it's an interrogative. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
206. The Colbert Report is a parody of the truth, while the New Yorker cover |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
223. So you're inferring that the highly intelligent Dr_elritch-- |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
8. To a satire-challenged person, nothing is satire |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. Without addressing the merits of the New Yorker illustration I agree |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
16. The New Yorker publishes some of the best graphic satire in the country. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I agree with you. But in this case, it's not the collectors we're talking about. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Baloney. It's not a photograph. Go look again. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. Really? |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. But that isn't a cartoon. That's an ad. n/t |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. Ummm... Wow. I'll have to get you the definition of "consistency"; |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:01 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Hold the acrimony. Your graphic was not critical where TNY's piece was. |
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Lex
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:04 PM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Exactly. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:08 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. I guess so, Lex. |
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whathehell
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Mon Jul-14-08 06:51 PM Response to Reply #20 |
75. I agree. It's totally irresponsible given the climate and the fact of it |
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Hugabear
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #20 |
101. WTF? Do you take the time to think about what you're writing? |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #101 |
153. You've taken 'missing the point' to a whole new level. Please read first. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
17. Very well put. |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. Lol! Not well enough apparently. |
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Cha
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:20 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yeah, I just think |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. There's the point... |
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Brazenly Liberal
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:33 PM Response to Original message |
38. By that reasoning, nothing is satire |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. In the case of the New Yorker image, there's no cue in the image. |
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Cronus Protagonist
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:51 PM Response to Reply #41 |
208. You must be blind then |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #208 |
214. So an afro implicitly means she's no threat. |
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Cronus Protagonist
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:15 PM Response to Reply #214 |
218. You are outraged at your own straw man arguments |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:38 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Medication... I recommend it most highly for you. |
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Oeditpus Rex
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
43. You so smaaaaaaart! |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #43 |
46. Missing the point just to be a smart-ass, eh? |
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Oeditpus Rex
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
76. Oh, I got the point, *Doctor* |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:07 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. And that would be you, "Rex", missing the point again. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
54. Recognition of something as satire can depend on one's background |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Right, just as I said; outside context. |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Of course. Satire is usually specific to current events. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
59. if you can't tell that's satire, i have to put the fault on the viewer rather than the artist |
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aspergris
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:05 PM Response to Original message |
60. rubbish |
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AmyCamus
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:06 PM Response to Original message |
61. Only the previously positioned see it as not being satire. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:21 PM Response to Original message |
64. If you can't tell it's satire, go back to school. |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
215. What are the indications that it's satire? Did you read the OP? |
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skooooo
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
65. Satire is satire whether you "get it" or not..... |
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The Doctor.
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
216. I know that, but in this case, as I stated, the message is dependent on extraneous knowledge of TNY. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
66. So is Colbert satire if some idiots think he believes what he says? |
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Kurt_and_Hunter
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. All things are defined solely in terms of the dumbest person in the room. |
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pitohui
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
78. great post EOM |
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Kurt_and_Hunter
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
67. And calculus isn't mathematics |
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La Lioness Priyanka
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Mon Jul-14-08 06:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. brilliant. nt |
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The Doctor.
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #67 |
95. I'm amazed at how many people apparently didn't read the OP they are responding to. |
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Kurt_and_Hunter
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
158. I read it. You proposed making something I had no trouble understanding more obvious |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:52 PM Response to Original message |
70. I think it is satire for certain parts of the country. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
72. Exactly correct n/t |
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Mon Jul-14-08 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
73. And Just Because You Don't Get It, It Doesn't Mean It's Not Satire. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Then you didn't 'get' the OP. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. Sorry, you're the one not "getting it" |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #97 |
104. Read the OP, then tell me where I said that. I won't hold my breath. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #104 |
123. You are still trying to re-write the rules of what satire is |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #80 |
111. Alrighty. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
77. its kinda like porn |
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Mon Jul-14-08 07:52 PM Response to Original message |
79. "There's Something that ain't funny about that" |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:10 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. I showed it to my wife just a bit ago... again, no history or context, and I asked, "What does this |
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:52 PM Response to Original message |
81. In the words of Louis Armstrong… |
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
82. The New Yorker has been an absolute right wing rag since day 1. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:05 PM Response to Original message |
83. Nicely written piece. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:11 PM Response to Original message |
87. It is satire. It is just making a VERY BORING AND OBVIOUS POINT |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:16 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. If it were satire, there would be cues IN the image that made that point. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #88 |
108. Is this satire ? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:14 AM Response to Reply #108 |
142. Is that making fun of people who are calling Bush & Cheney... |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #142 |
167. Precisely, the target is CLEARY identified. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. I was gonna start a thread with the two images side-by-each... |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:28 PM Response to Original message |
89. Actually it's EXCELLENT satire. Good satire doesn't announce itself as such. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #89 |
102. Then this is great satire; |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:58 PM Response to Reply #102 |
106. Satire makes a point. What is the point of your cartoon? |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:09 PM Response to Reply #106 |
114. The point? Well, that depends... based on your version of satire, |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
107. So, who is being ridiculed in that image? I don't see any people in that image besides the Obamas. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:06 PM Response to Reply #107 |
112. The target does not have to be a person - in this case, it's an idea |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #112 |
130. If you want to express an idea visually, you use some sort of symbol. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:11 PM Response to Reply #107 |
116. An even more important observation. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:15 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. Absolutely! Be my guest! I'm glad I could be of help. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #118 |
120. Way to totally overlook the point |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:21 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. So... what in the image tells us who or 'what' the target is? |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:24 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Have you been living in a cocoon for the past year? |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. Thanks for proving you can't even read the posts your responding to. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #126 |
131. Your argument relies on the assumption that people are complete idiots |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:16 PM Response to Reply #131 |
144. Ummm... no, how many times have I told you? This is ridiculous! |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #144 |
165. If you don't have "extraneous knowledge", then you're an IDIOT |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #165 |
169. So everyone who doesn't read the New Yorker is an idiot? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #169 |
171. Did I fucking say that? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Well, you said that you have to have extraneous knowledge not to be an idiot... |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:07 PM Response to Reply #175 |
183. Nonsense |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #183 |
219. Wow... you really can't read straight, can you? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:47 AM Response to Reply #126 |
139. Bless Your Heart For Playing With The Dumb Shits |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #139 |
154. There's a fine distinction I just can't seem to get across to them. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
110. Many thanks for an excellent post! I can't believe how such a simple and forthright analysis |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Simple is right. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. 'Simple' is in your head. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:34 PM Response to Reply #113 |
129. The famous Brokeback cover was satire |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:36 PM Response to Reply #129 |
132. The New Yorker cover was obviously meant to be very controversial |
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #132 |
149. You are probably right. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #129 |
145. Really? And how many had been trying to get people to believe that B+C |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
117. What is your doctorate in? |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:19 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. It's not, but that's beside the point. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #121 |
128. Ah, but extraneous knowledge IS necessary |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #121 |
133. I understand the OP; I just think it's absurd. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
135. The OP didn't tell me it was a joke |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
136. so? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
137. wait, is it not satire if "it" can't tell you it is, or if "you" can't tell it is |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
141. The whole scam by the characters Bialystock and Bloom in |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #141 |
177. Great play! |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
155. Poorly worded title. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #155 |
156. Well, I was trying to encompass the 'implicit' message too. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #155 |
193. If a satirical image in a venue for satire is indistinguishable to a reader, |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #193 |
195. If it's indistinguishable to the reader, it's the reader's problem. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:35 PM Response to Reply #195 |
198. Well, no. Otherwise no one would read Chaucer, Shakespeare or Milton. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #198 |
201. The New Yorker cartoonist is no Chaucer, Shakespeare, or Milton. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #201 |
205. Try running the big three's satire by DU and see what happens. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:50 PM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Hitting back hard? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #207 |
209. LOL! Yes, I have. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
157. "With Colbert, his established contrarian persona |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #157 |
164. Oh pu-leeze. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #164 |
176. You keep proving that you don't know what satire is |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #176 |
181. As do you. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #181 |
184. YES - those are satire |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:15 PM Response to Reply #184 |
189. Finally we're getting to the point. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:20 PM Response to Reply #189 |
194. It doesn't matter whether it's offensive or not |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #164 |
178. Is this thread satire? It would be some terrific satire of people who can't comprehend satire. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
159. This is ridiculous. Are you trying to say that no one should make jokes |
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #159 |
163. No, read it again. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
179. I'm an Illustrator and Yes it is Satire |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:12 PM Response to Reply #179 |
187. And it would also be satire if it were published on a RW site? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #187 |
190. As with this site, there is a range of opinions on most RW sites |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #187 |
199. The venue is part of that context that you claim isn't there |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:05 PM Response to Reply #179 |
210. I'm also a professional illustrator. It's a poor attempt at satire |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #210 |
220. The human failing with regard to the Obamas in this piece is how they are seen. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:55 PM Response to Reply #210 |
221. See.. I Find it Humorous in How it Portrays the RIGHT WING's Fears |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
188. It isn't what you say it is unless you can explain yourself without the crutch of the verb "to be" |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
191. Thanks to the OP for coming up with new rules for satirical drawings |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:26 PM Response to Reply #191 |
196. No matter how many time you repeat it, it doesn't make it true. Nowhere do I 'rewrite' the rules |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
197. It has satire all over it. "Implicit" only means something is less obvious |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:43 PM Response to Original message |
200. or, just because you can't tell it's satire doesn't mean it's not. n/t |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:48 PM Response to Original message |
204. The "terrorist first bump" AND the flag in the fire told me it was satire |
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