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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:08 PM
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Is My 8 year old on the Terrorist Watch List??????
Hmmmm...I've yet to fly with my son, but now I'm curious. Heck, I haven't flown for 3 years, I may be on there too. According to an article by the ACLU, among those caught up by the no-fly list are many infants and small children.

but my personal favorite is probably this one:

9/11 Hijackers. While certainly these were individuals we all wish had been watched out for, they are, in fact, dead. Yet, the names of 14 of the 19 hijackers from 9/11 were on a copy of the list obtained by 60 Minutes . More evidence that the list is poorly maintained and full of junk names that will only serve to ensnare the innocent.

The list now has over one million names on it. Terrorist watch lists must be tightly focused on true terrorists who pose a genuine threat. Bloated lists are bad because

* they ensnare many innocent travelers as suspected terrorists, and
* because they waste screeners' time and divert their energies from looking for true terrorists.


A few other people who are on the list:

Nelson Mandela, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize and a household name all over the world, nonetheless is listed on the U.S. watchlist and needs special permission to enter the United States.


Robert Johnson - 60 Minutes interviewed 12 men named Robert Johnson, all of whom reported being pulled aside and interrogated, sometimes for hours, nearly every time they go to the airport.

Alexandra Hay, a college student with a double major in French and English at Middlebury College in Vermont in 2004, when she joined an ACLU lawsuit due to problems she was having with the airline watch list.


Sarosh Syed, a naturalized U.S. citizen from Pakistan working for the ACLU of Washington in Seattle also had problems flying. (Syed was also a plaintiff in the ACLU suit in 2004.)


Evo Morales, president of Bolivia. Name found on list obtained by 60 Minutes .


Saddam Hussein. Although he was imprisoned in Baghdad and in U.S. custody at the time, his name was also found in the database obtained by 60 Minutes. Again, this accomplishes nothing except ensnaring the innocent, diluting the list, and wasting the time of security workers.


Gary Smith. Another name that is extremely common in the United States, found on the no-fly list by 60 Minutes.


John Williams. Yet another common name found on the airline watch list by 60 Minutes.


U.S. Senator Edward Kennedy (D, Mass.) After repeated delays at airport security, the senator had trouble getting removed from the airline watch list despite calls to Homeland Security and eventually a personal conversation with the Secretary of DHS.


Representative John Lewis (D, Georgia). Being a hero of the Civil Rights Movement isn't enough to keep off the aviation watch lists, apparently.


Marine Staff Sgt. Daniel Brown was blocked from flying while on his way home from an 8-month deployment in Iraq. He was listed as a suspected terrorist due to a previous incident in which gunpowder was detected on his boots, most likely a residue of a previous tour in Iraq.


Asif Iqbal, a Rochester, NY, management consultant and University of Texas graduate who flies weekly to Syracuse for business, has been weekly detained and interrogated by local law enforcement because his name is shared by a former Guantánamo detainee (who was himself released from the extrajudicial detainment, presumably because of lack of evidence of terror involvement).


James Moore, author of a book critical of the Bush Administration, Bush's Brain ; problems flying.


Major General Vernon Lewis (Ret.); a recipient of the Army's highest medal for service, the Distinguished Service Medal who served in the Korean and Vietnam wars, Lewis had problems flying.


Captain Robert Campbell, US Navy-retired, Comercial Airline pilot of 22 years; problems flying.

Rep. Don Young, (R, AK); problems flying.


Sister Glenn Anne McPhee, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops' secretary for education. Sister McPhee sought redress and removal from the watch list for nine months in 2004 and 2005 and it wasn't until she was able to elicit help from White House connections (Karl Rove) that DHS addressed her problem.


Congresswoman Loretta Sanchez, D-CA; problems flying.


http://www.aclu.org/privacy/spying/watchlistcounter.html
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:16 PM
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1. With a name like RazBerry Beret why shouldn't he be on the list?
That moniker IS subversive dude.
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RazBerryBeret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:30 PM
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2. hey, WHAT could be subversive
about a Raspberry Beret
(you know, the kind you find in a second hand store)??????
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 10:11 PM
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5. Yeah, like the Strawberry Alarm Clock.
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Muttocracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:31 PM
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3. what's that guy doing flying from Rochester to Syracuse?
Driving has to be way faster, less annoying, and cheaper.

Maybe he quit flying.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-08 09:39 PM
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4. Don Young is understandable
I'm sure any AK Du'er can attest to that. :rofl:

Blue? :shrug:
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mwooldri Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-08 12:09 AM
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6. If 60 mins can get the list... can I get a copy too? Where? nt
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