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Mon Jul-14-08 09:11 PM Original message |
Possible Connection between the FISA Amendment and Election Fraud 2008 |
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EFerrari
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. Exactly. Thank you! |
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #1 |
112. Can someone please remind me why Obama voted for it??? GOBAMAGOBAMAGOBAMA! |
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EFerrari
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Wed Jul-16-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. All our Demcrats are playing it very safe. |
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
2. Oh god. |
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Tunkamerica
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
18. are you for real? |
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pnwmom
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:35 AM Response to Reply #2 |
23. Are you including the scientists at Princeton University, Johns Hopkins, etc.? |
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tkmorris
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Tue Jul-15-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
26. I see a nutter too! |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:08 PM Response to Reply #26 |
64. It's probably a bot, programmed to respond to any election fraud post anywhere. |
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jeff30997
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
92. A bot ? |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. I certainly hope they don't |
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fascisthunter
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #2 |
39. vote fraud or election fraud? |
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Raster
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
42. Oh god. Are you for real? |
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helderheid
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
54. "vote fraud nutters"? |
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Pacifist Patriot
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
59. Not exactly a convincing argument to refute election fraud. |
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StClone
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:53 AM Response to Reply #2 |
60. lol. In baseball you'd a missed the good pitches |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
67. Deleted message |
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #2 |
87. Good-I hope those "nutters" don't stop.nt |
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Buzz Clik
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #2 |
120. It is amazing. |
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HCE SuiGeneris
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. More excellent information. |
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mod mom
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Mon Jul-14-08 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
4. OH SOS Blackwell used SmarTech (GOP Partisan Corp) to host OH SOS election night site: |
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Time for change
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:17 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Are you saying that SmartTech had control of the county central tabulators on Election Night 2004? |
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mod mom
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:38 AM Response to Reply #6 |
27. "controlled the technology that allowed the tally of the vote in Ohio's 88 counties to be reported.. |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Thank you for that information |
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L. Coyote
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. Someone burn this false flag already!! |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:13 PM Response to Original message |
5. BINGO. Who needs to worry about individual machines and their telltale trails? |
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L. Coyote
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Cuyahoga County, Ohio, 2004 Presidential election |
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Mon Jul-14-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. There were many different ways in which fraud took place in Ohio in 2004 |
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L. Coyote
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
20. "How on earth would you know that central tabulators weren't part of the fraud?" |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:04 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. The links are in my post -- And I didn't say that I KNOW that central tabulators were involved |
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mod mom
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:34 AM Response to Reply #29 |
49. DUer Jsamuel made 2 screen savers from election night '04 of Montgomery & Lucas |
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L. Coyote
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
71. U: "...10,000 votes in Cuyahoga County." |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:17 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Lame rhetorical question? |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
77. Also think we are being highly naive not to consider . . . |
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:25 AM Response to Reply #20 |
57. Your logic is amazing. I thought it was a citizen's duty to learn all the |
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L. Coyote
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. As if we have not done that? We don't need to add extra non-existing methods |
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emlev
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
61. Methods used to steal Ohio are laid out in detail in this new book |
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L. Coyote
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
72. That is part of the picture. It seems a narrowly focused research report |
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emlev
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #72 |
86. The book includes photographs of the evidence |
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matt819
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
10. Election Observers |
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mod mom
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
51. While I agree international observers should be used, they may offer a false sense |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. Pres. Carter has made clear that we don't have a system which |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
84. I heartily agree |
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Selatius
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
95. Individual state gov'ts have that authority to allow observers, not the federal gov't |
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Arugula Latte
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
11. I feel sick. |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #11 |
106. Didn't mean to make you sick |
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Mon Jul-14-08 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
12. Has anyone pointed this out -- |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:08 AM Response to Reply #12 |
30. Not that I know of |
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peacetalksforall
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #30 |
58. One of the reasons for my growing intense disrespect for Dem leaders |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
79. Of course they understand: Weren't the Sununu changes for Poppy done in this way? |
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kimmerspixelated
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
97. Exactly! |
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bleever
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:24 AM Response to Original message |
13. Wherever there is a vulnerability, it will be exploited. |
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diva77
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
14. the pre-tabulator count can be manipulated in Los Angeles County |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
33. Yes, that's a big problem |
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diva77
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #33 |
74. Where do I begin with my reply?? Suffice it to say that citizens simply do not |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. Punch cards were eliminated because they were doing a better job . . . |
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bjobotts
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
15. Comey and Ashcroft were ready to resign rather than do what congress just did |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #15 |
81. Agree . . . and it's been going on 8 years . . . imagine what they've picked up in that time! |
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EFerrari
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:47 AM Response to Original message |
16. Kick |
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NBachers
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:08 AM Response to Original message |
17. Election Theft 3.0 |
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Norrin Radd
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Tue Jul-15-08 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
19. kr |
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bean fidhleir
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:21 AM Response to Original message |
21. Only if the totals are transmitted without encryption |
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no limit
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:31 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. To be fair I don't think it would be that hard to alter the data |
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EOTE
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:07 AM Response to Reply #36 |
43. But what form of encryption is being used? |
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no limit
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. If what you were saying was true FISA doesn't come in to play at all |
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EOTE
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #47 |
66. I see what you're saying. |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:32 AM Response to Reply #21 |
37. Yes, I don't understand the technology well enough to explain how it's done |
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truedelphi
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:30 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. Ihave never in all the time spent looking at the electronic voting machinery issues |
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liberal N proud
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:01 AM Response to Original message |
22. Manipulation before the numbers were ever public |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:25 AM Response to Reply #22 |
34. Yes, that's another big problem |
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bertman
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #34 |
65. "That's a problem that need to be fixed by Congress." That, my friend, is an oxymoron of a |
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
104. True |
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barbtries
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:44 AM Response to Original message |
24. i tried to volunteer in NC |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #24 |
105. The organization for which I do poll watching is non-partisan |
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barbtries
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #105 |
109. like maybe the league of women voters? |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:43 PM Response to Reply #109 |
115. Great |
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nightrain
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:50 AM Response to Original message |
25. truly horrifying and likely |
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
28. Holy Shit! Thanks for posting. Just sent to Sen Webb - we've been corresponding on this - rec'd |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
35. I would hope these votes traveled on the wire using SSL making it impossible to alter |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Yes, I too would hope it would be impossible to alter |
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:21 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. With all due respect I don't think you understand the technical aspect here |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:11 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Right, I don't understand the technology very well |
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #44 |
50. If I am wrong please by all means point out how in detail |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:08 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. No, you're not coming across to me as hostile |
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:05 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. And there is a chance that this information could be modified once it gets there |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. Thank you for your input -- I will bring this up to the election integrity people for their take |
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:22 PM Response to Reply #68 |
113. You guys miss the point..so far off |
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:04 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. We are talking about a 4096 bit key. This isn't 1946. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
94. I forgot - who does the NSA report to? |
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:56 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. But let's assume what you say is true, the NSA has the private key of whichever CA |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. It's not that simple |
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
117. If the all powerful NSA has access to private keys then Im sure they don't need FISA to listen in |
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Pavulon
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:27 PM Response to Reply #94 |
114. Dude read up. |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #38 |
83. "Faith-based" election results . . . ???? |
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mia
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
41. "John McCain as seer -- he predicts the trajectory of the '08 race" |
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Ikonoklast
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Funny, that. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
48. Obviously it doesn't m-a-t-t-e-r who you vote for - only WHO is doing the counting... |
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Nothing Without Hope
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
52. It's all connected, all right. I'm betting that a big part of the illegal wiretapping |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Wow, I never heard about that Athan Gibbs story |
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helderheid
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Tue Jul-15-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
53. rec 76 |
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emlev
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:07 PM Response to Original message |
63. Anybody want to DO SOMETHING about all this? |
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defendandprotect
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
85. Thank you . . . I've try . . . |
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Breeze54
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Tue Jul-15-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
70. Thank You... that didn't even dawn on me but that makes a lot of sense! |
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bdf
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
73. Don't count your ex-presidents until they've been impeached |
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Heidi
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Hey, welcome to DU! |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
82. Yeah, I've worried about that quite a bit myself |
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bdf
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:25 PM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Stay away from Washington DC |
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Time for change
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Well, I live about 5 miles from the DC border |
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ejbr
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Tue Jul-15-08 03:44 PM Response to Original message |
90. Don't post this on DailyKos!! |
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Joanne98
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:03 PM Response to Original message |
91. EXCELLENT! |
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jeff30997
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Indeed it is. |
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Buzz Clik
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:29 PM Response to Original message |
96. 110 recommendations? For this? |
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kimmerspixelated
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:45 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. I think it should have 1000 kicks!! |
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Fly by night
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Tue Jul-15-08 04:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. It's nice that on DU, even meaningless tripe like this comment kicks a worthy thread. |
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Buzz Clik
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Wed Jul-16-08 08:05 AM Response to Reply #99 |
119. Yeah. And thanks for the disclosure of your membership in the tinfoil brigade. |
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Fly by night
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Wed Jul-16-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Keep coming back. You'll figure it out... |
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Buzz Clik
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Thu Jul-17-08 08:16 AM Response to Reply #121 |
123. Let's see... you implied things I didn't say, and then listed some insults for me to choose. |
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Thu Jul-17-08 10:17 AM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Calling me a member of the tin-foil hat brigade is the biggest compliment you can bestow. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:22 PM Response to Original message |
101. Time for change, thanks for this great information! |
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Gman
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Tue Jul-15-08 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
102. Nothing is too outrageous now |
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cyberpj
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
107. In case you didn't notice, a bill for paper ballots was just voted DOWN in Congress. |
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Tue Jul-15-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
108. Voting integrity is the name of the game. nt |
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Tue Jul-15-08 08:55 PM Response to Original message |
110. Wonderful! I can't wait until we suddenly hear that McCain is president. |
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Psyop Samurai
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
111. A couple thoughts that may cut through some resistance... |
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Tue Jul-15-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #111 |
116. Yes, you are absolutely right that this needs to be checked out regardless of where or how |
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