Was the Kuwaitist Entity created on land belonging to aboriginal Iraqi people?

[Boojatta]

[ingac70]

1. ....

The Anglo-Ottoman Convention of 1913 split Kuwait and Iraq into two separate emirates

[happyslug]

2. Arabs first loyalty is to their tribe, their second is the the Arab Nation

If their are Moslems (and some are NOT) then to Islam. What we referred to as Kuwait, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, and the rest are just creation of people, they do NOT represent what we would call a "Nation". Thus Kuwait was founded by an Arab Tribe that set itself up as rulers of that corner of the Arab world. Iraq is another set of Tribes that have to work together do to having to live along the rivers that goes through their tribal areas into and from other Tribal areas.

My point is simple, Kuwait is not more a part of Iraq as is Saudi Arabia, but Kuwait is still part of the Arab World that included all three countries. Do NOT try to understand the relationships in the Arab World using European Ideas of Nation-States. Iraq is a State but you can NOT call it a Nation. Kuwait is a state, but it is also not a Nation (The same with Saudi Arabia). Thus Saddam's move against Kuwait was just one Arab Tribe trying to expand its power over another Arab Tribe, NOT the Nation of Iraq taking over the Nation of Kuwait. Saddam's fellow tribal members were throughout his Government. His chief source of Support within Iraq was the various Tribal Chiefs (Who he kept happy by providing them parts of the Government Revenues). Saddam lost of Kuwait was a personal setback, not only for himself but his tribe (But NOT Iraq, the Shiite in the South revolted, a revolt more feared by Bush Senior then the takeover of Kuwait by Saddam, thus Saddam was permitted to put that revolt down).

Remember most of the Population of the Arab Countries from Basra to the United Arab Emirates (UAE) are mostly Shiite, ruled by Sunnis from another tribe (generally tied in with the House of Saud, but not controlled by the House of Saud). The Sunni tribes fear these Shiite Tribes NOT because of the difference in Religion, but that the Shiites are the Majority and in any true democracy they would be ruling (and allying themselves with Iran).

[whistle]

3. yes

[Crunchy Frog]

4. More posts about Israel eh?

I think this sort of thing belongs in the IP forum.

[Boojatta]

6. No, this thread is about the people of Iraq and the territory now called "Kuwait."

[Crunchy Frog]

7. The question doesn't make any real sense

when applied to Iraq/Kuwait. It looks much more like the sorts of discussions people have about Israel/Palestine. To me it looked like a crude attempt at a very poor analogy. Please forgive me for jumping to a wrong conclusion.

What point exactly were you trying to make?

[Boojatta]

8. You think it makes no sense, but some Iraqis think that

there's nothing to discuss and that without a doubt the territory known as "Kuwait" rightfully belongs to the people of Iraq.

[TexasObserver]

5. Kuwait goes back several centuries, but was a British Protectorate

It was a British Protectorate after WWI for about 40 years.

Iraq is a country created by the British about 75-80 years ago. Sunni, Shia, and Kurds, all bound together as Iraq. The rub between Saddam and Kuwait was over the oil rich regions there. Saddam was a Bush-Reagan asset right up until he misread the signals of Bush's State Dept spokeswoman and invaded Kuwait.

[Bandit]

10. I recall that Saddam accused Kuwait of slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields

That was the gist of why he wanted to invade and when he asked our Ambassador there at the time she said the USA had no concerns about the situation..IMO it was a Bush set up to take out Saddam.

[SoCalDem]

9. Look at an old map.. you decide

Bedoin tribes did not need or have real boundaries until the British started drawing lines in the sand.. that;s when the modern problems began..

Pre WWI