Hutchison: "Afghanistan is NATO's fault. They were supposed

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to take Afghanistan while we took Iraq."

That's my senator: :puke:

[truebrit71]

1. Er...NO and shit....

...what a fucking dumbass...

[flakey_foont]

2. Huh????

what?

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3. Her exact words just now on MSNBC on why things were going

so bad in Afghanistan. She said that NATO is letting us down because they were "assigned to handle Afghanistan and we were assigned Iraq. NATO is not doing their job."

[flakey_foont]

4. thanks

it absolutely boggles the mind......

[Squatch]

5. Well, I would say that the current situation is partially NATO's fault

A number of the countries has severely restrictive rules of engagement which preclude any sort of effective COIN operations, allowing the insurgency the freedom of maneuver in large portions of Afghanistan. That, coupled with our tepid current military operations over there have allowed the war to escalate back to LIC.

[Maggie_May]

6. send her an email or call her office

ask her what was the purpose of the Iraq war. Than ask her if our men and women over in Afghanistan important to her. Than ask her who flew the planes 911 were they Iraqis. Tell her office you heard this statement she made on Afghanistan.

[bdamomma]

7. repigs just love pointing fingers huh??

yea, sure it was NATO'S fault :sarcasm:

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9. I'd like to know who "assigned" what to who...

"Assigned"? What does that mean?

[Squatch]

11. "Assigned" is one of the various command-control relationships

Organic assets are assigned to and forming an essential part of a military organization. Organic assets are those listed in the unit's MTOE, and are in this command relationship when conducting missions in support of their own unit.

Assigned is to place units or personnel in an organization where such placement is relatively permanent, and/or where such organization controls or administers the unit or personnel for the primary functions of the unit. As in organic, units will have this relationship when C2 is exercised by their parent headquarters.

Attached is the placement of units or personnel in an organization where such placement is relatively temporary. The commander of the unit that receives the attachment is responsible for the sustainment and logistics support that is beyond the capability of the attached unit. An example of this relationship is a cargo helicopter platoon being attached to a division for the duration of an operation.

Operational Control OPCON is a "ommand relationship that gives a commander the authority over subordinate forces to organize and employ the assets, designate objectives, assign tasks, and give direction regarding accomplishment of the mission. The commander exercising OPCON authority has no responsibility for logistics sustainment of the supporting unit.

Tactical Control TACON is a command relationship that gives a commander authority over assigned or attached forces or commands, or military capability or forces made available for tasking, that is limited to the detailed, and, usually, local direction and control of movements or maneuvers necessary to accomplish missions or tasks assigned.

[Squatch]

13. I just read the rest of the thread...apparently, her use of "assigned"

was not used to describe a C2 relationship. Rather, it was used to denote that a higher organization allocate some sort of pre-determined role or responsibility, which is patently wrong. The US, along with the UK, launched the war in Afghanistan as a response to 9/11 and, as far as I know, no responsibility for that mission was allocated by any higher HQ.

[Romulox]

8. If NATO is merely a one way obligation flowing from the US to Europe

then what good is it? :shrug:

[Historic NY]

10. Lack of American Leadership is the main cause, NATO w/o

and American at the helm is worthless.

[gratuitous]

12. And this is all spelled out . . . where?

Or aren't we the people paying the freight for all this misguided imperialism allowed to know?