Nancy ....... I used to be among your biggest fans ........

[Stinky The Clown]

...... really. I was a real live cheerleader for you. Even when your popularity was waning when you said that "off the table" thing. There I was.

Stinky. Cheerleading away just for you.

But geeeeeze, Nancy. What the FUCK is wrong with you?

You got a lot of articles of impeachment. All wrapped up in a bow. Ready to go. You got a vote that says somebody at least wants to hear about this.

So why are you AGAIN saying no impeachment?

WHY?

These motherfuckers are EXACTLY what the founders had in mind when they wrote the rules. This isn't about one consenting adult felating another.

This is abut crimes against We The People. Crimes Against Humanity. War Crimes. Maybe even Genocide.

Nancy ...... these people are PURE FUCKING EVIL.

What the HELL is wrong with you?

[libnnc]

1. I swear, I think she's been threatened.

But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's just as bad as the rest of them.

[Booster]

2. Bingo. (sigh)

[gateley]

3. I've heard a possibility that she's afraid her complacency (or should I say

compliance) regarding OKing Water Boarding will come out.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. I don't believe that. Or any other one, single issue/fact/action.

I also don't know why she won't impeach. But whatever it is, it is much bigger than some vote or some support for something that she gave in the past. MUCH bigger than that, I'd bet.

[gateley]

8. Yeah - I don't know if I believe it either.

What could be THAT BIG, though, that we haven't heard whispers about?

[hootinholler]

38. Nuking a city

Al CIAduh does a harbor.

-Hoot

[bvar22]

20. You can believe this:

Nancy Pelosi parlayed her Congressional seat into a Seat at the Rich White Man's Table in 2006.

She has never looked back.

I too am a former HUGE Pelosi supporter.



"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone

[CrispyQ]

48. Yeah, like 50+ million times bigger.

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

"If you want to gorge at the trough with the big boys, you will play by our rules."

Shame, shame, shame on Pelosi.

[JuniperLea]

9. All that Bush wiretapping...

Maybe they came up with something on her. I bet they have something on a lot of people.

Either that, or that last surgery pulled the skin waaaaaaay too tight!

[Uncle Joe]

65. That's the primary point of any President's illegal non-judicial approved wiretapping,

no political opposition is immune, and it may not even be dirt on a particular congressperson. It could be a family member or close friend and once that congressperson starts capitulating to blackmail there is no turning back. A corrupted power abusive President would have an even firmer grip on that Congressperson's allegiance for future votes or actions.

And of all this was apparently started almost immediately after Cheney/Bush came to power up to six or seven months before 9/11 while they ignored or demeaned traditional red flags warning them of attack.

I just can't believe Cheney or Bush's ethics or morals would restrain them from wiretapping political opposition or their family members and associates. I believe Nixon and Watergate was a defining moment at least for Cheney, he felt Nixon shouldn't have resigned and Cheney's attorney; Addington pretty much believes the President can do whatever he wants without restraint, the "Unitary Executive". As a logical conclusion this leads me to believe the real motivation for the early wiretapping abuse was politically based as opposed to national security based.

So I find it impossible to rule out a strong chance of being blackmailed at least for some in the Congress.

[dmr]

64. Maybe she needs to step down

or be asked to step down.

[GreenPartyVoter]

4. I was so proud. Madame Speaker. But I think I would have rather had a different woman take the job

[librechik]

6. since she's an accessory to bush's crimes, why doesn't she turn state's evidence?

that could protect her. They are all acting like people from another planet.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

35. I would say anyone who stops investigation of the administration should be held accountable too

Accessories

[redirish28]

7. The image of Lady McBeth comes to mind... Gang of 8 the real questions are:

How deep is she really in with the Crime Family?


Is the true reason why Impeachment hasn't happened is because She would have to be convicted as well?

[gateley]

10. But it's not as though Congress is calling for Bushco's head(s) and she's

the only one digging her feet. There isn't an overwhelming pressure from the House to pursue this. (Contrast with Clinton :eyes:)

Edit typo. nt

[onenote]

11. 'you got a vote that says somebody at least wnat to hear about this" -- what vote would that be?

The vote to refer it to Judiciary. Just like the vote to refer DK's resolution against Cheney and the vote to refer his earlier resolution against chimpy? How do they constitute votes indicating that a majority of the house wants a hearing? They don't. Its a way to kill the resolutions. Was with respect to the first two and still was yesterday.

I think hearings are great. I wish they'd had them earlier. BUt these aren't impeachment hearings and they aren't going to lead to impeachment because there simply isn't the support in Congress to go that route. These hearings are going to be held because the House leadership believes that emphasizing the misdeeds/failings of chimpy's administration will help get Democrats elected in November. That's where it begins and probably where it ends.

[pscot]

12. In the eary days, I was a staunch defender

but she's been a huge disappointment, as has Harry Reid.

:kick:

[Olney Blue]

13. K/R Nancy, we hardly knew ye.

[Psyop Samurai]

14. It's "Invasion of the Body Snatchers"...

...and we're crazy for noticing, because...

everything's normal. :sarcasm:

[cascadiance]

15. Hey helderheid, can we get our money back on these t-shirts?

http://t-shirts.cafepress.com/item/dark-tshirt/100465314#

Damn! I have too many t-shirts that I can't wear any more! :crazy: :banghead:

Just out of curiosity. Have you had ANY sales of these for the last few months?

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Dem complicity might be the reason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x3621582

[NashVegas]

17. Right Now, It Just Wouldn't Be a Good Time

1 - Cheney has to go first. Cheney can not be allowed to assume the presidency under any circumstances.

2 - If Bush and Cheney are both ousted without a Bush-named other replacement agreed to by congress, Nancy Pelosi is not ready to step up to the plate and be president, even for a few months. And if she tried, I think you'd see the Clintons go after her with everything they have, in retaliation for what she did to Hillary.

3 - What's the point? He's going to be gone in 6 months and to try to pull an impeachment right now would show Democrats as petty to middle America.

4 - Like the Republicans who went after Clinton for a blow job, DC Dems want the man damaged, not the office. That's right. They like all those executive powers the Wonder Twins carved out and they want President Obama to have them, in January.

[mopinko]

18. i know. i keep trying to tell myself that they are planning to go after them

in the next congress. when * is not around to pardon people.
i know, pathetic.

[bvar22]

21. Just like the Dems went after...

...the Bush/Reagan criminals in 1992.

[mopinko]

22. i know.

hard to keep passing the open windows sometimes.

[glitch]

27. Oooh. Good reference. nt

[mopinko]

31. back when he could write.

i think it is the extraordinary person who has more than a half dozen books in them. don't think irving is one of them. widow for one year stunk.

[glitch]

37. Sadly true, but when he was good he was excellent. nt

[mopinko]

45. and sorrow still floats. np

[glitch]

50. Could be a good thing. Sorrow may be all you can cling to in rough waters

That's not how he meant it, but that's how I am using it right now!

[mopinko]

53. i can buy that.

lord knows worse things are floating in the water these days.

[glitch]

26. Yeah, me too.

I also thought Kerry had a stealth plan to sting Bushco on election theft 2004.

Denial can be a very useful tool for survival sometimes.

[Sewsojm]

19. She's one of Them

Go To HEll Nancy!!

[flvegan]

23. Throw that BUM out with the rest of them!

She should be really light, lacking that spine and soul and all.

[Political Heretic]

24. She'd be implciated in any investigation into Bush Adminsitration crimes...

..at least on illegal wiretapping.

So would half of congress, across both sides of the isle.

[GOPisEvil]

25. Yeah, but she's got some seriously dry powder.

It's like the Sahara in there.

:eyes:

[lonestarnot]

28. fuckrod doesn't want to go to jail too!

[HughMoran]

29. Something is wrong with the Dems - they are acting stupid

They need to get their collective heads out of their asses.

There is a time to be political and a time to save the nation.

[pointblank]

30. Leave it alone!

Unlike some people here I REALLY want Obama to win in November...pulling this shit right now isn't going to help...

right time...right place

[Senator]

43. Actually, impeachment may be the only way to win in November (yes, really)

In fact, it may be what's behind this modified-limited, no-not-really-impeachment, but-yes-on-TV, and articles-of-impeachment-front-and-center hearings that were just approved (albeit pooh-poohed).

It could be that someone in DC has recovered from their Hillabamania just enough to read the darned polling about impeachment. Or simply come to the realization that Obama's just not cutting it beyond the beltway euphemedia horserace-aholics and political junkies.

The simple reality is that in this "political environment" it is catastrophic that it's still a dead heat. And there's no persuasive reason to think that will change by November. It remains plenty close enough to steal (again).

I'm sure they're polling groups are telling them what "everybody knows" outside the beltway -- that the DC-Dems failure to do what they were handed the majority to do has damaged the Dem brand nearly as much as the Rep brand. The public/electorate does not see them (or Obama) as a viable alternative because they are unwilling to DO any damn thing.

The right time was Jan. 2007. But this is still the right place, because if they fail to impeach they'll be doing far worse damage to our once-great nation than all the bushcheney abuses. They'll be putting the American People on the hook for all of it -- and America will be on trial at the Hague, rather than a few bad actors.

Impeachment must be undertaken in real time to have the effect of acquitting the American People for that which they never gave their proper consent. And without it, no other form of prosecution is likely to follow.

Impeachment remains our ONLY moral, patriotic option.


--

[Straight Shooter]

32. Nancy dismisses you with a wave of her hand.

She. doesn't. care.

[NNN0LHI]

33. The leader of the Democratic party Barack Obama agrees with Pelosi

Are you suggesting she should get in a pissing match with him a few months before the general election?

Don

[dysfunctional press]

34. she just has to hold it off a little longer...because once obama gets into office-

it will be a 'new day in america' 'time to put away the partisan tactics and work together' 'put the past in the past and move forward together'...

i'm willing to bet ANYONE, that if obama wins the election, he'll treat jr's transgressions pretty much the exact same way clinton treated poppy's- like they NEVER happened, and if they did- it really wasn't that big of a deal anyway. NO prosecution of bush or cheney will ever take place, even if lil' boots doesn't pardon themselves on the way out.

any takers...?

[Stinky The Clown]

36. You won't find **me** taking that bet.

You described *exactly* what I think will happen.

[begin_within]

39. She's one of them, that's why.

[AmyCamus]

40. Obama has said he's against impeachment too, we should support him.

Attacking Pelosi for having the same position Obama has doesn't make sense.

[TheWatcher]

41. Yes, Certainly we should.

After all, the Constitution, Rule Of Law, War Crimes, Destroying the Economy, Sending the Country to War based on lies for nothing more than Profiteering, Illegal Domestic Spying, Torture as National Policy, all of that stuff doesn't matter.

We should just ignore all that and Support Blindly.

It Makes PERFECT Sense.

:sarcasm:

[asteroid2003QQ47]

42. I'll second that! n/t

[loyalsister]

49. concrete evidence?

Probably not.
We may know what has happened, but many of the facts are more abstract than is safe. If you don't think the boy king is protected, you are very naive.

There are are obvious conclusions from various sources. The trouble is, those sources can be lined up differently by some twisted creative mind for a RW PR victory.

Never forget that many many people who know Bush personally like him regardless of policy differences. Blue dog Democrats, whose agenda has not moved so far from his that they would turn against him personally, would hate to believe the truth.

If there was an excuse not to, well....

I think this pursuit would make the RW look as if they have done no wrong as opposed to actually exposing what they have done. Their current positioning affords them too much power to suppress evidence.

[Tyler Durden]

44. I think that I would rather he'd agree with US.

Sometimes people forget that we are not "electing the great leader," we are "hiring a public servant."

I think ALL of them are writing ego checks they shouldn't be allowed to cash.

[The Stranger]

47. Last time I checked, Obama wasn't the fucking Speaker of the House.

So really your post doesn't make sense.

[AmyCamus]

56. Good for you! Did you use the Google?

Barack Obama is the presumptive nominee of our (your?) party, though.
Support him, and save the attacks for McCain.

[The Stranger]

61. McCain is not my party's leadership -- Nancy Pelosi is. So I will point out when she has failed my

party, just like I am doing right now.

She is holding us down while the G.O.P. is raping the nation.

[stimbox]

51. When they are both wrong, it is. n/t

[Enrique]

58. the difference is that Obama is male

which explains why Pelosi and Clinton are hated, and Obama is loved, while they all have similar politics.

[The Stranger]

46. Ergo, Nancy is one of them. She is "PURE FUCKING EVIL" too. There is no other conclusion.

So how does it feel knowing you were had?

[AmyCamus]

54. If SHE is, than so must HE be, and that's why I say drop it and support Obama.

It's an argument well over the heads of many here, I guess.

[The Stranger]

55. HE is not the fucking Speaker of the House. SHE is.

She is the one holding her party and the nation hostage.

And don't worry -- you're not above any heads here.

[AmyCamus]

57. HE is our presumptive nominee, and endorses her position.

Move on to attacking McCain for a change.

[The Stranger]

60. It doesn't matter what "position" he endorses, it is all in her fucking hands.

She can't pass the buck or try to shirk her Constitutional responsibilities.

Move on to protecting the nation, the Constitution, and, yes, the Party.

[indepat]

52. Complicit as hell?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

59. you really think impeaching now would not have an adverse effect on obama?

[MasonJar]

62. I think that they have threatened her grandchildren. They would do anything.

[leftofthedial]

63. umm. she is one of those people.