Somethings Up With Bush and Iran

[berni_mccoy]

Bush must have been up to something with Iran and got caught red-handed. It is the only thing that would cause him to so starkly reverse course and do what Obama and other Democrats have been saying to do all along: engage in talks.

What could have Bush been up to? Starting another War? Sending WMD to Israel? I can't even imagine what it was that has yanked Bush so completely against himself that now he's willing to "engage in talks with the enemy" as McCain has so often said.

What do you think it could be?

(for reference: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/16/us.iran/index.html)

[DebJ]

1. One thing you can count on: he is lying or using . . . what was that

word opposames or something? Like the "Clean Air Act". Whatever he says, he means the opposite.

[Turbineguy]

2. Total econimic collapse

and blamed on him. Remember, he believes that history will vindicate him e v e n t u a l l y.

[Strelnikov_]

20. Thats my leading theory. And if the economy is so bad that they pass on another round

of blood and oil cocktails, we are in deep . . .

[Muttocracy]

3. I'm starting to go with the checklist theory - one more thing on the way to declaring war

see, they tried sort of almost talking and it didn't work...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6509067

[berni_mccoy]

6. Ugh, that makes me sick.

[Muttocracy]

10. yeah, I was in the same place as you - what is up - and then 2 people have suggested that.

The parallels with Iraq are disturbing.

At least the diplomat, Burns, sounds relatively reasonable for a BushCo person - maybe he came up through Dept. of State?

He testified at both foreign relations committees -

Senate - http://foreign.senate.gov/hearings/2008/hrg080709p.html (video link at top, fast forward 45 min in or so)

House - don't have a link but the questioning from Ron Paul is in the Video forum here.

[readmoreoften]

4. Engage in talks. Say "I tried; the talks failed." Start bombing.

There's nothing to talk about. Iran has a peaceful energy program per the IAEA and they are legally allowed to have it. I think it's posturing.

[Fridays Child]

5. Bush's ship is sinking. He's a rat. What else do we need to know?

[lib2DaBone]

7. Russian Oil Deal ?

Russia just signed a huge oil deal with Iran. Russia also promised to "assist" Iran in the case of interference. Maybe Smirk Boy got the message?

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/WTARC/2008/me_oil0332_07_15.asp

[Canuckistanian]

12. You may be on to something

Now that Russia has a stake in Iranian oil fields (purposely?), they're not about to hand them over to America.

The game is afoot.

[roamer65]

14. BINGO.

[roamer65]

15. This fits with Gazprom offering to buy ALL of Libya's gas and oil output ...

a few days back. Russia is trying to form a cartel much larger than OPEC.

[lonestarnot]

22. One could hit that motherfucker in the head with a board and he wouldn't get a message.

[mmonk]

8. Afghanistan and Pakistan

[MichiganVote]

9. Bush? Talk? Impossible. And that includes the syncophants on his "staff"

[roamer65]

11. We're choosing oil, rather than Israel.

Oil at $145 is killing the economy. They're trying to get the "Iran premium" on the oil price to go away.

[Muttocracy]

13. also a reasonable theory if they think people will vote based on that.

seems awfully early for that move though.

[democraticinsurgent]

21. they could do that by closing the Enron loophole. n/t

[billyoc]

16. Nothing more interesting than drilling/refinery contracts.

Iran is privatizing their energy sector, Halliburton wants the contracts.

Bombing cancelled.

[Captain Angry]

17. Money, and PILES of it.

If Bush were to line up an agreement with Ahmadinejad, it would make it look like he was the great diplomat by destroying Iraq and using it to scare Iran and North Korea.

Only after the election would we find out that the agreement happened and that huge bribery was involved.

Who here can honestly say that this is completely impossible with that schmuck in our White House?

[two gun sid]

18. I do not believe the US will or can attack Iran.

He has no other choice but to negotiate in my opinion. The military has been weakened by the fiasco he lied us into. Our allies are no longer going to support our dreams of empire. He doesn't have the military power to attack Iran and hang on to the oil we stole in Iraq. China and Russia will not allow us to attack Iran without some type of response either military or economic and we can't afford to take a hit economically right now and even the Bush Gang realizes that.

[Arctic Dave]

19. I think your dead nuts on this one.

[Loudmxr]

23. Time is running out for Bush- time to think about legacy

Consider the BBC report that we may be opening a diplomatic office in Tehran. The nuke talks. The sudden desire to bring massive amounts of troops home before September like he said. The increased effort to find and kill bin Laden.

He wants to be the "peace president". He is taking the war off the table.

I know its wierd but you gotta consider what an ill man he is. He is facing being "the worst president ever". Worst than J.Q. Adams the other son of a president. The one who was not elected by popular vote. The one historians will really compare him too.

The repugs have abandonded him so this is a real FU to them. This leaves them with only the economy to fight on which the Democrats are more trusted on.

It is now all about him. His place in history. His legacy. Me. Me. Me.

:banghead:

[madokie]

24. with bush the decision to bomb Iran is already in the works, all he's doing now with this is

so he can say later that he tried diplomacy. The decision to bomb has already been made, that I would bet on.