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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:52 AM Original message |
Police: Boys Use Taser On Woman, Rape Her |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
1. Ten bucks says they'll get charged as adults. eom |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #1 |
11. Certainly hope so... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I don't. |
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Rainbowreflect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. If the "justice system" continues to charge juvenile offenders as |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
28. What age do you think is appropriate? eom |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. The juvenile system is in place because a bunch of bleeding heart morons |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Not quite. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
34. Well, that certainly would explain some of the posts here. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:47 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Right. Because anyone who disagrees with you must be... |
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timtom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #37 |
94. Just your arm... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:00 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. I'd like to see a citation than makes that claim... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Google is your friend. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:13 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. NOWHERE does it or anyone else say juveniles of 13-15 CANNOT make moral decisions as YOU claim |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:14 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Apparently strawmen are popular today. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Are 13-15 juveniles? Yes, You wrote juveniles cannot make the same moral decisions as someone with |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Uh, yes they are. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Uh, yes they are. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Most 13 year olds easily make the decision not to taser and rape women. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Doesn't refute anything that I wrote. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:42 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. But you wrote that juveniles cannot make the same moral decisions and yet they do -- don't they? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. No, they can't. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Yes, they can. Lessen ability is not the same thing as CANNOT. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. As I posted below... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. ok, but it is not required that one fully understand the consequences of their actions... |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No, but it makes it a lot more difficult... |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. sure, but it depends on how reduced the ability is. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Are you conceeding the point? eom |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. The point that some degrees of reduced capacity mitigate culpability? sure. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. The law does not require that one have "moral decision making capacity" to be held responsible. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Of course it doesn't. |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Unfortunately, you overlook that the fact that "juvenile" and "infant" are LEGAL classifications |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Hmm... |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #83 |
97. Actually, 18 is *not* where the line is drawn. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:51 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. . |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #101 |
128. You are still confused; the DSM does *not* control legal definitions. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:26 PM Response to Reply #128 |
143. I'm not saying that the DSM does control legal definitions. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #62 |
81. You might actually read what he said. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Perish the thought. eom |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. one question, is it possible for a 13 year to correctly make the decision to not rape someone? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Again, you're making that assumption that I've called you on a few times now. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. It's ok, I didn't think you would answer that question. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. You're not very big on reading what I write, are you? |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:43 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. browbeat ? you avoided answering my question --- is that what you call a discussion? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I responded why that question is not answerable on the basis that you're making a large assumption. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. I ask because I need to know if you're at all reasonable. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. Okay. My objections notwithstanding, yes. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #104 |
109. Now I know you're reasonable. :-) |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #109 |
112. Slander! |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
85. But they can and do make the same moral decisions -- although I agree the reasoning may be ... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #50 |
115. What a pity that the citation you offered was both hypothetical (a handwave, iow) and off the mark |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. So you're taking decades old research over modern research? |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Humans haven't changed much since Kohlberg did his work :-) |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:36 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. No. But research has. |
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tchunter (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:28 AM Response to Reply #49 |
138. its truth, let me get my old sociology (fake science) notebooks |
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Phx_Dem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. Links |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #48 |
61. Of course the brain is still developing -- thats not the issue I am confronting |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. I think you're misunderstanding me. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Capacity - actually thats very different than saying they cannot make the same decision. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Putting it in bold for you this time: |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
76. ok, I see now that you've backtracked on your initial assertion. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Uh, I actually haven't backtracked. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #76 |
89. I'd say - Zero. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #89 |
100. From my point of view it doesn't matter why as long as its the correct moral decision. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #100 |
141. That's the problem - you keep putting "moral" between "correct" and "decision". |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:02 AM Response to Reply #45 |
133. The age for being charged as an adult should be the voting age in that state |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #133 |
144. And that is typically 18... |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:42 PM Response to Reply #144 |
146. Mob rule |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #146 |
147. Kinda. |
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Rainbowreflect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #24 |
36. Do you honestly believe that a 6 year old that sets a fire should |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. Wait, I missed the part where these filthy little rapists set a fire years ago. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:49 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Ohhh...I get it now. It's because of the specific crime that's set you off... |
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Rainbowreflect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. What you said was... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
88. Rape is an adult crime. A child cannot commit rape. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #88 |
92. I think these two children just did commit rape. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
106. Which means they aren't children. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. Not under the law they're not. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:40 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. I think the "tried as adults" is the back-door determination. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #110 |
114. I agree that it is arbitrary... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:19 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. There are certainly a lot of brain changes mediated by puberty |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:25 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Nonetheless... |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Perhaps we're talking at crossed purposes |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Of course. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #88 |
96. Sexual maturity and mental maturity are two very different things. |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #96 |
108. That sounds like a basis for a diminished-responsibility plea. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 01:07 PM Response to Reply #108 |
142. That's the whole point of the juvenile justice system. |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #88 |
111. tell that to the woman who was sexually assaulted. rape is rape. n/t |
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bean fidhleir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #111 |
113. You sound as though you're "in violent agreement" with me. |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:04 AM Response to Reply #88 |
134. Then that should be the voting age |
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Jack_DeLeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #16 |
127. Fuck that shit... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:54 AM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Nonsense. |
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gatorboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. Perhaps you can set up a deal for them to stay at your house? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. ? |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:34 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Well, that's a shocker. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Way to go right for the ad hominem. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Excellent straw man. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:33 PM Response to Reply #14 |
25. I sure as fuck won't be holding my breath on that one. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:36 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Right. Because I obviously think that they shouldn't be punished... |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
131. I take it you'd have no objection to having psychopaths stay with you? |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 05:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
125. Of course they'll be charged as adults- it's Florida |
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bdamomma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
2. that is awful. |
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ingac70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
3. I certainly hope... |
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ensho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
4. I said from the beginning that tasers would be used on women |
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aspergris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. tasers are a tool |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. So? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #4 |
12. GASP!!!!! You Mean, You ACTUALLY Were So Brilliant As To Deduce That Someone, Somewhere, Someday, |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #4 |
65. I can't believe that you predicted that someday someone might use a weapon to attack someone. |
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okieinpain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. hey to pull something like that they should have their names and |
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RidinMyDonkey (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
6. 13 & 15 likely to be tried as adults? |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:11 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Anyone who would commit forcible rape is beyond help. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #20 |
35. You mean a swat on the nose with a rolled-up newspaper isn't enough? |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Need some more straw? You're certainly going through a lot of it... eom |
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wvbygod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
8. These rapists should spend at least 30 years in prison |
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High Plains (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Oh, you do believe in torture. |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:40 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. I think their testicles should be fed to alligators |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 11:48 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Three cheers for civilized society. eom |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
31. Civilized people don't rape, genius. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Well, when I think of feeding people to wild animals... |
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exothermic (570 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You appear to be laboring under the absurd notion that all life is "sacred" or somesuch bullshit. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. And who is going to make that call? You? |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #44 |
74. Something tells me that he would be very happy |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #74 |
75. Huh? eom |
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hogwyld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:23 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. It was a statement on the absurdity |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
91. Oh, sorry. |
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Seldona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. But they force feed testicles to alligators along with the rest? |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #17 |
124. Context, my friend, context. Not hubris, sarcasm, and cynicism. |
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varkam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 10:12 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. A response: |
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baby_mouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
32. What for? |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:17 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Um..yeah, you do. |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:24 PM Response to Reply #8 |
23. So you don't believe in torture unless you WANT the person to be tortured. |
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Pavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #8 |
136. Rape is a horrible crime |
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Cronus Protagonist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:20 PM Response to Original message |
22. Shocking |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 12:42 PM Response to Original message |
33. Wow, what a pair of worthless little messed up pieces of shit |
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Maine-ah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:06 PM Response to Original message |
46. well, an interesting thread for sure, straight story.... |
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AzDar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:25 PM Response to Original message |
53. Sue Taser Inc. These things should not be sold to the general public. |
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Ilsa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
58. I wouldn't know what to do with kids like this except maybe put them |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
64. Try 'em as adults. They get what they get. |
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galileoreloaded (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Couple hundred thousand years living as animals... |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:16 PM Response to Reply #71 |
103. Plenty of other cultures around the world have been civilized for a lot longer than 100 years |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:00 AM Response to Reply #64 |
132. Now there's a fine example of anger and hatred overruling reason. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 09:51 AM Response to Reply #132 |
135. I disagree. I think a thirteen-year-old engaging in brutal sexual assault is well aware of |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:36 AM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Of course not. |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
105. How terrible. I don't know what to say about that. |
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Deja Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-18-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
119. Animals. Inhuman, vicious animals. |
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MilesColtrane (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
129. If guilty, they both need to be locked up in the state pen for at least 12 years. |
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coffee_strong (91 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
137. What 13 and 15 yrold sit around and think about doing this stuff?? |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 05:37 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. I don't know what causes this, but 'life in prison,' No.... |
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guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-19-08 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
140. These "kids" |
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