Nobody could have anticipated 9/11. Nobody.

[dave123williams]

Except this guy:

http://www2.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB147/clarke%20memo.pdf

The next time they tell you they couldn't have anticipated an Al Queda attack, shove this in their faces. Note the date of this memo to Rice.

Nine months....nine months they knew and they did NOTHING.

Except, of course, exploit the fear that came of their own incompetence.

[stray cat]

1. Tom Clancy had written about something like it years ago

[checks-n-balances]

13. I wonder if he has fans in the White House

Just askin'...

[fla nocount]

18. He has moles in the White House. n/t

[barbtries]

2. that's pretty strong evidence

that condi rice should be in prison. but in the opposite world of the bushies, she's secretary of state. will this nightmare ever end?

[The Wielding Truth]

46. Actions taken after 9-11 tells us there was collusion. The Bin Ladens

were whisked out of the country without investigations while our flights were grounded. Who impeded investigation into the event and who profited the most from our move into Iraq while the taliban were left to regroup?

It's so blatantly wrong that even incompetence is not plausible.

[Captain Hilts]

3. The July 2001 day that Ashcroft stopped taking commercial airliners is also a clue. nt

[Muttocracy]

23. hadn't heard that one - very telling. nt

[mmonk]

4. Yep.

Nobody except people like Richard Clarke or author Chalmers Johnson or historians, or US counterintelligence, or ....

[elizfeelinggreat]

5. k & r

JANUARY 25, 2001

To Condi
From Richard Clarke

re: The Al-Qida network

Read what they ignored and weep.


How I'd love to see THAT on a billboard!

[CrispyQ]

6. But, but, but . . .

[Muttocracy]

22. perfect. nt

[Bandit]

7. Not to even mention the Hart Rudman Report that was on their desk from day one.

:shrug: Just complete and total Arrogance in the assumption they knew everything.

[Vickers]

8. They were too busy countering the Rooskie threat!

:sarcasm:

[DearAbby]

9. No they were too busy

setting up domestic spying on american citizens...for some reason. We, Americans were considered the enemy... they needed to watch. Actual terrorists, not so much....

[Greyhound]

45. and don't forget plotting to invade Iraq... n/t

[Leftist Agitator]

10. Dick Cheney perpetrated 9/11.

Or at least let the attack proceed unhindered.

[DutchLiberal]

11. Much more evidence they knew:

Could the Bush administration have had anything to gain from the attack? Two prominent European politicians, Michael Meacher and Andreas von Bülow, express their serious doubts about the official version of the 9/11 story.

Documentary with English subtitles:
http://www.eenvandaag.nl/index.php?module=PX_Story&func=view&cid=210&sid=29882&nav=29882,29834,28645,28525,24416,0

It does NOT say the Bush administration was actively involved in it, but it DOES explore all the evidence that suggests Bush and Co. knew a disaster was coming and they purposefully did nothing. Click the photo to start the video.

[Lars39]

12. Hell, History Channel has a segment on Hitler's plan to crash airplanes

into buildings.

[Bob Dobbs]

14. MIHOP

Cui bono?

[MinM]

16. That's what this 1996 movie argues...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x159128

[90-percent]

15. I'll shop this link again

http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/they-knew-but-did-nothing/2008/03/07/1204780065676.html

just wondering why this book isn't resonating more with every one on earth that has a hunch 9/11 was totally bogus and our government let it happen on purpose?

Please discuss.

-90% Jimmy

[bbgrunt]

43. because any thought of complicity is

immediately ridiculed and blocked by even the left gatekeepers. (witness Bill Maher, Noam Chomsky, Matt Rothschild, and, yes, even Amy Goodman won't entertain any discussion of it. Even on DU it is relegated to the dungeon) Most people cannot stand to even think about what it might imply regarding their world view. They are not ready for the paradigm shift. They will not see because they don't want to.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

17. Look up a short-lived TV Series called "The Lone Gunmen." Specifically the pilot episode. -nt

[Dervill Crow]

19. So there are two of us who saw that show? nt

[Edweird]

21. Make it three. Spinoffs don't fare too well, tho.

I preferred their X-Files appearances better. It worked. That being said, Octium girl was HOT!! :)

[Raineyb]

26. Make it four

And I hated what was done to them at the end of The X-Files.

Of course, I hated what was done to Krycek too...

Regards

[n2doc]

38. five. And I've shown it to many folks

They all have the same reaction of disbelief, then anger.

[LeftyMom]

33. I was just looking for a link.

I can't find the clip of the whole thing, but this is the part where they unravel the conspiracy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tB6EWF3vulc

[pansypoo53219]

20. guess condi's shoes and accessories

more important.

[Muttocracy]

24. but that later memo had such a confusing title

what was it, something like Al-Qaeda to attack U.S. by hijacking planes...

[Subdivisions]

25. That document sets up the perfect scapegoat/fall guy for a

false flag attack. To wit:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Project_for_a_New_American_Century_/_PNAC">"Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=September_11%2C_2001">some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor" - Project for A New American Century

We have been betrayed since prior to November 1, 2000. On that day, the second stage of a coup d'etat was affected. Enabled by SCOTUS with their selection of bush, the coup was complete. We are now ruled by Big Oil. Big Oil wants the Middle East, to wit:

From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world often greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow.

- Richard Cheney, CEO Halliburton, at London Institute of Petroleum, 1999.

We've been had. 3000 dead on 9/11/01. 4123 of our troops dead. 1,000,000+ Iraqis dead. America is now a police state. There are traitors present at all levels of government from local and state level all the way to the Office of President and Vice President of the United States.

Now what?

[Kaleko]

37. Now what?

A slow and excruciatingly painful awakening from massive denial.

Anyone who has done their homework knows it's MIHOP.

Sorry, America. It was your turn to be shocked and awed.

[libnnc]

27. I just posted that link on my facebook page

how long before I'm black-bagged?

[EFerrari]

28. John O'Neil. The Man Who Knew.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/knew/

[Cleita]

29. Yep, except the people who knew about it. n/t

[MadrasT]

30. The more that comes out...

...and the more that I think about it... the more it all just makes my head want to explode :nuke:

K&R - thanks.

:kick:

[JohnyCanuck]

31. K&R

[Fire Walk With Me]

32. "Except, of course, exploit the fear that came of their own incompetence."

Or, as highly competent disaster capitalists, of their intent.

Check their life-long profiteering through destruction and note the trend. Then consider their refusal to do a thing about global warming.

[defendandprotect]

34. The US/CIA created the Taliban via Pakistan . . .

and then invented AlQaeda ---

The whole shebang was ours ---

and we had total surveillance of them, as I understand it ---

Cheney/Bush/Rumsfeld/Meyers and the neocons did 9/11 ---

[defendandprotect]

35. "Operation Ignore" was going on in the White House and the United Nations came knocking . . .

What happened was that the Russians had been warning the White House --- as many other nations

had been doing --- but the Russians were worried that something could go down and be linked

to them . . .

so Putin went to the United Nations in August 2001 and gave them the intelligence info they

had --- hijackings, names of hijackers, etc. --

actually they went to the United Nations Security Council ---

and in AUGUST 2001 . . . THE UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL ALSO WENT TO THE WHITE HOUSE

AND OUR INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES TO WARN THEM, GIVE THEM THE INTELLIGENCE AGAIN AND THE SPECIFICS.

[davsand]

47. This is the first I have seen on this. Is it all documented anywhere in one place?

When you put all of it in a sort of time line it really does put it in perspective. I said at the time that 911 was a "created" event that benefited the asswipe and his minions more than anyone else--and that opinion was formed in the chaos of reporting at the time.

I have to wonder, if the international community was warning them about 911 before the event WHY did none of them stand up and talk publicly about that fact after it all happened. Blair--I figure had a personal interest in seeing an invasion in the ME, but Putin and many of the others--I can't imagine why they didn't talk publicly about having warned Washington the attack was coming.

:shrug:


Laura

[defendandprotect]

48. Evidently the once notable Discovery/History Channel made that known . . .

Hi Laura ---

A number of people mentioned this to me in having seen the documentary.

Evidently it reviewed ALL of the warnings that came in --- which were substantial -- just
about every nation in the world was warning us.

And, then it specifically commented on the Russians and the United Nations Security Council.

Keep in mind that other nations weren't only warning the White House . . . they were warning
all of our intelligence agencies, as well.

I haven't seen this reported elsewhere -- and, as I said, I didn't see the program myself.


You do know that there is a "time line" which someone did. If you want that, I think I still
have the link to that. It was what greatly helped the families -- and the New Jersey Girls
understand what went on. Barbara Honnegger/? has also made the time of the explosions at the
Pentagon clearer --- because of clocks there having been stopped as they went off.

I have to go with personal "shock and awe" . . . and an uneasy feeling after 9/11.
The disappearance of NORAD was too much to believe -- and, of course, when I began
reading the info of those actually investigating 9/11, it became quite obvious -- MIHOP.

Re this . . .

I have to wonder, if the international community was warning them about 911 before the event WHY did none of them stand up and talk publicly about that fact after it all happened. Blair--I figure had a personal interest in seeing an invasion in the ME, but Putin and many of the others--I can't imagine why they didn't talk publicly about having warned Washington the attack was coming.

Well, it was reported immediately after that we had a lot of warnings -- but it was played down.
People were left with the impression that it was just a few warnings -- and the heavy propaganda
of "NOT SPECIFIC," if you recall?

And, btw, if you don't know Putin immediately referred to 9/11 as . . .

"THE REICHSTAG FIRE IN NYC--"

That certainly made it clear for me and got me checking more into investigations.

So, I think it's a combination of things --- i.e., that the reports are there but not in the
quantity or quality we need --- and then they are downplayed. Propagandized to suit the
White House.

And, also -- too many people still don't question their government --

[defendandprotect]

49. Evidently the once notable Discovery/History Channel made that known . . .

Hi Laura ---

A number of people mentioned this to me in having seen the documentary.

Evidently it reviewed ALL of the warnings that came in --- which were substantial -- just
about every nation in the world was warning us.

And, then it specifically commented on the Russians and the United Nations Security Council.

Keep in mind that other nations weren't only warning the White House . . . they were warning
all of our intelligence agencies, as well.

I haven't seen this reported elsewhere -- and, as I said, I didn't see the program myself.


You do know that there is a "time line" which someone did. If you want that, I think I still
have the link to that. It was what greatly helped the families -- and the New Jersey Girls
understand what went on. Barbara Honnegger/? has also made the time of the explosions at the
Pentagon clearer --- because of clocks there having been stopped as they went off.

I have to go with personal "shock and awe" . . . and an uneasy feeling after 9/11.
The disappearance of NORAD was too much to believe -- and, of course, when I began
reading the info of those actually investigating 9/11, it became quite obvious -- MIHOP.

Re this . . .

I have to wonder, if the international community was warning them about 911 before the event WHY did none of them stand up and talk publicly about that fact after it all happened. Blair--I figure had a personal interest in seeing an invasion in the ME, but Putin and many of the others--I can't imagine why they didn't talk publicly about having warned Washington the attack was coming.

Well, it was reported immediately after that we had a lot of warnings -- but it was played down.
People were left with the impression that it was just a few warnings -- and the heavy propaganda
of "NOT SPECIFIC," if you recall?

And, btw, if you don't know Putin immediately referred to 9/11 as . . .

"THE REICHSTAG FIRE IN NYC--"

That certainly made it clear for me and got me checking more into investigations.

So, I think it's a combination of things --- i.e., that the reports are there but not in the
quantity or quality we need --- and then they are downplayed. Propagandized to suit the
White House.

And, also -- too many people still don't question their government --

[JohnyCanuck]

36. Sure was a fortunate coincidence for investigators

that one hijacker packed his suitcase for his suicide flight with all sorts of incriminating details about the hijackers and their plans, and then that same bag, thanks supposedly to an airline screwup, doesn't make the flight.

An untold story of 9/11

BY MICHAEL DORMAN | Newsday Staff Writer

Former federal terrorism investigators say a piece of luggage hastily checked in at the Portland, Maine, airport by a World Trade Center hijacker on the morning of Sept. 11 provided the Rosetta stone enabling FBI agents to swiftly unravel the mystery of who carried out the suicide attacks and what motivated them.

A mix-up in Boston prevented the luggage from connecting with the plane that hijackers crashed into the north tower of the trade center. Seized by FBI agents at Boston's Logan Airport, investigators said, it contained Arab-language papers revealing the identities of all 19 hijackers involved in the four hijackings, as well as information on their plans, backgrounds and motives.

The luggage saga represents what the former federal authorities describe as an untold story of 9/11 -- offering explanations for questions long unanswered about the investigation of the tragedy, such as how authorities were able to identify the hijackers so soon after the attacks.

SNIP

"How do you think the government was able to identify all 19 hijackers almost immediately after the attacks?" Flagg asked. "They were identified through those papers in the luggage. And that's how it was known so soon that al-Qaida was behind the hijackings.

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uslugg0417,0,3743892.story

[bdf]

39. Condi Lies 'R' Us

Y'know, I think anybody who watched a movie showing WWII Japanese kamikaze pilots could figure out that piloted aircraft could be used as missiles.

Come to that, Rice went with Dumbya to a G8 meeting in Greece several months before 9-11. Richard Clark had arranged for anti-aircraft batteries around the conference room in case terrorists used aircraft as missiles. Rice and Dumbya slept on a ship for the same reason. I know Dumbya is too stupid and uninquizitive to ask why, but surely Condi noticed.

Oh, and there was the Aug 6th Presidential Brief. Which Condi passed off by saying they thought Al Qaeda merely intended to hijack aircraft so they could force the US to release the "blind Sheik," so they did nothing about it. If Osama had handed them full details of what he intended, they'd have "moved heaven and earth." Could that be true?

It seems to me that in aircraft hijacking, innocent people often end up getting killed. When the negotiators try to keep the terrorists on board an uncomfortable aircraft (it gets very hot and stuffy when grounded and with no power for aircon), the terrorists often respond by shooting a passenger at regular intervals and throwing the corpses out of the door. When the elite forces storm the aircraft, they're trained not to shoot innocent people, but accidents happen; the terrorists firing back may kill passengers. And there's always the possibility of an explosive device that the terrorists trigger rather than be captured.

Given all that, why the fuck did they do nothing to prevent the hijackings? The only action taken by any of "principals" in response to the PDB was that John Ashcroft abandoned his normal practise of using commercial flights and instead used chartered planes. So he, at least, thought there was a possibility of danger but did nothing about it except protect his own skin.

Any lawyers here? On the assumption that Condi was not lying about thinking it was only a hijacking for blackmail purposes, could that inaction be classed as negligence? After all, they should have taken action to prevent hijackings that could result in the deaths of innocent passengers and if they had done so then 9-11 would have been thwarted - you can't fly a hijacked aircraft into a building if you can't hijack the aircraft in the first place.

It seems to me that, for political reasons, we'll never have a criminal trial prosecuting Cheney for being involved in the planning and execution of 9-11. But negligence is a civil suit that could be brought by anyone who lost a close relative. And during that perhaps some of the real truth about 9-11 will come out.

If we can't go after Condi, we can go after Cheney for negligence. He decided to run two military exercises, normally held months apart, on 9-11. One put half the USAF over the border into Canada where they pretended that Russia was attacking over the north pole. The other simulated what "nobody could have imagined" - the hijack of multiple aircraft that would be used as missiles. Between the lack of available fighters and the confusion between simulated and real hijacked aircraft, the hijacked planes got to gallivant all over the place without interception. Without those two exercises, 9-11 would have failed. Osama was incredibly lucky that he timed his attacks for that day - any other day of the year he would have failed. Cheney should have realized that tying up so many resources by running both exercises on the same day would leave the US at risk from a real attack, and he was therefore negligent in doing so. And negligent in not having a method for calling off the exercise if necessary (or he had one but it was flawed, or he had one but didn't use it).

Time for a quote from PNAC's white paper of 2000. PNAC was essentially all the crazies in the Bush administration: Cheney, Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, etc. That document outlined a strategy for the US military to go around the world stealing resources (primarily oil). It called for the transformation of the US military into a gang of pillaging thugs and said of the transformation:

the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor.

Cheney and the gang were behind 9-11 but will probably never be prosecuted for it - even Fitzgerald might feel it too dangerous to go after that one, if ever the Justice Department wanted it done. But negligence is a civil tort and the Justice Department doesn't decide whether or not it goes ahead. As I said, perhaps enough of the truth will come out that a criminal prosecution cannot be brushed off by Justice.

[Juche]

40. Want to see warnings? '9/11 key warnings' at www.cooperativeresearch.com

We had alot of warnings. Tons. Something like 14 seperate countries warned us of a terror attack as well as various people in domestic agencies or civilians throwing up red flags. We ignored all of the warnings, then covered them up with the phony 9/11 commission.




http://www.www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&complete_911_timeline_key_events=complete_911_timeline_key_warnings

[baldguy]

41. At Bush's first G8 conference in Venice, they set up anti-aircraft batteries around the site.

Now, why do you think they did that?

[defendandprotect]

50. Also put missiles on the roof of the hotel Bush stayed at in Italy . . . !!!

Poppy was the same way --- put up crap all over Washington to block access --

also at White House -- and armed troops on roof . . . ????

[fascisthunter]

42. They Let 9-11 Happen

and I wouldn't be surprised if they helped orchestrate too. These people are evil...

[bdf]

44. MIHOP

They not only planned it, Cheney participated in it. He ran the interference that allowed it to succeed.

They are pure fucking evil.

[defendandprotect]

51. Agree -- and they "disappeared" NORAD . . .!!!

How in the hell do they convince the public that NORAD can disappear but that we have

more to fear from "terrarists" than what we faced in the Cold War . . .

and that THIS requires a loss of our Constitutional freedoms which the Cold War didn't . . . . ???