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Amy6627 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:19 PM
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Did anyone see Bill Moyers last night, about the mortgage crisis?
I missed it and was wondering if someone could sum it up for me.

Thanks!
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:23 PM
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1. I believe you can watch it here
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07182008/profile.html

The bottom line is that things are looking really bad. It's worth watching.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:44 PM
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2. It was informative, as usual... in a nutshell: "Restore Usury Laws" !!
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 03:33 PM by Breeze54
The Evil of Usury

http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/usury.htm

"The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender" -- Proverbs 22 : 7

Usury

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usury

Usury (pronounced /ˈjuːʒəri/, comes from the Medieval Latin usuria, "interest" or "excessive interest", from the Latin usura "interest") originally meant the charging of interest on loans. This would have included charging a fee for the use of money, such as at a bureau de change. After countries legislated to limit the rate of interest on loans, usury came to mean the interest above the lawful rate.

Usury and the law

In the United States, usury laws are state laws that specify the maximum legal interest rate at which loans can be made.
Congress has opted not to regulate interest rates on purely private transactions, although it arguably has the power to do so under the interstate commerce clause of Article I of the Constitution.

Congress has opted to put a federal criminal limit on interest rates by the RICO definitions of "unlawful debt" which make it a federal felony to lend money at an interest rate more than two times the local state usury rate and then try to collect that "unlawful debt".<14>

It is a federal offense to use violence or threats to collect usurious interest (or any other sort). Such activity is referred to as loan sharking, although that term is also applied to non-coercive usurious lending, or even to the practice of making consumer loans without a license in jurisdictions that require licenses.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 02:46 PM
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3. Catch it if you can on the website.
It was very damning of the mortgage industry as it operates today. We can thank St. Ronnie for all the deregulation that led us to this.
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:27 PM
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4. Companion reading ...
Predatory Lenders' Partner in Crime

How the Bush Administration Stopped the States From Stepping In to Help Consumers

By Eliot Spitzer
February 14, 2008

Several years ago, state attorneys general and others involved in consumer protection began to notice a marked increase in a range of predatory lending practices by mortgage lenders. Some were misrepresenting the terms of loans, making loans without regard to consumers' ability to repay, making loans with deceptive "teaser" rates that later ballooned astronomically, packing loans with undisclosed charges and fees, or even paying illegal kickbacks. These and other practices, we noticed, were having a devastating effect on home buyers. In addition, the widespread nature of these practices, if left unchecked, threatened our financial markets.
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Even though predatory lending was becoming a national problem, the Bush administration looked the other way and did nothing to protect American homeowners. In fact, the government chose instead to align itself with the banks that were victimizing consumers.

...

Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.

...

(T)he unanimous opposition of the 50 states did not deter, or even slow, the Bush administration in its goal of protecting the banks. In fact, when my office opened an investigation of possible discrimination in mortgage lending by a number of banks, the OCC filed a federal lawsuit to stop the investigation.

Washington Post
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 03:42 PM
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5. I've noticed the difference between Moyer's program and the corporate media's approach
regarding the mortgage crisis.

Moyers takes government deregulation going back 25-30 years, *one sighted Federal Reserve inflationary financial policy, and predatory lenders to task, basically the powers behind it all.

The corporate media are more likely to blame the victims or American People as being responsible, when it fact they were being squeezed between a rock and hard place as wages have for the most part remained stagnant especially as compared to CEO pay.

*Referring to Al Greenspan immediately slamming the brakes on perceived wage inflation as it benefited workers, while totally ignoring financial inflation from real estate equities as it benefited banks, lending corporations, credit card corporations and Wall Street. This policy of course created an unsustainable bubble, which seems to be busting.

This is just one more example as to why it has become painful for me to watch corporate media analysis on any in-depth topic after watching Moyers as they usually fail so miserably by comparison.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-08 07:49 PM
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6. And some on capital's ascendancy over labor, and bailouts moral hazard
Edited on Sat Jul-19-08 07:55 PM by azul
Is Moyers too old for VP? He sure still is sharp. And does one excellent program after another, disgracing the MSM BS by comparison.
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WILLIAM GREIDER: During the last generation, 25, 30 years ago, the Federal Reserve, the central bank that regulates money and credit, tipped hard in one direction.

BILL MOYERS: Toward?

WILLIAM GREIDER: Crudely put, toward capital, in favor of capital and against labor. It not only hardened the value of money by suppressing inflation, but it participated very aggressively in the role of stripping away regulatory breaks on financial system and banks. Declined to enforce many of its own regulatory powers that exist in law. And meanwhile, sort of kept a foot on the brake about economic growth and full employment and all those good things that might help working people by encouraging rising wages.

BILL MOYERS: So at the same time the Fed was helping to keep wages down in order to keep inflation from escalating, its policies were, nonetheless, helping banks and investors to inflate the cost of their-

WILLIAM GREIDER: Right.

BILL MOYERS: -the value of their assets beyond reality-

http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/07182008/transcript4.html


(ed: I think the transcript should have read, " regulatory brakes", not breaks.)
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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 02:13 PM
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7. Great Program; Subject Very Well Covered
This was a fabulous program, one of Bill Moyers's best. This is the way things are now! The first part was a documentary on the devastation done to Cleveland, after these deregulated, "re-setting" home loans so brokers could re-sell them and profit off of the fees, etc., and resultant foreclosure epidemic. One person quoted, I think the Cuyahoga County Treasurer, said (paraphrasing), "In the old Wild West, when the sheriff wasn't in town, people would rob the bank. Now, in this situation, the sheriff is not in town, the banks are robbing the people," (like that). Part of the report was on the huge increase of the homeless, and they went to a very crowded, with families, shelter, of new people put there by having their houses or apartments foreclosed-on, and getting no help. This whole disaster was completely created by financial/investment deregulation.

The second part was a talk with William Grieder, who I think is overrated, but who was good here, although the great Bill Moyers was better. There was some explanation of the background, how the New Deal era regulations against predatory profiteering had it right, were undone by the phony sloganeering of the Reagan devils and their anti-Government pro-corporate "free" market crap, supported by both Carter and Clinton, to the present day of total collapse. Alan Greenspan, that asshole prick, doing nothing to help "the little people" as Wall Street became so profiteering on the basis of nothing, that the values of stocks just soared even as the economy stalled, and became unrelated to actual conditions. They talked about how the recent financial-sector bailouts are so badly-targetted, so unfair, that they may actually just increase more crimes of this sort, (like the asshole Reagan allowing corporations to take losses off their taxes, and profit by their failures for the first time, and--voila!--huge numbers of planned destructions of taken-over corporations, and a worsening economy even then).

The parts of the discussion where they talked about usury, no longer a crime, deregulated off the books, and how that kicked the floor out from under the honest borrowers and completely unbalanced the economy, so that only the richest predators could ever win, just like the pre-New Deal Gilded Age, etc., was maybe the best part. The financial-industry lawyers and lobbyists who got all the stabilizing controls removed, so that they now, did not make moderate-to-good profits, but huge, un-Godly kills, at the expense of everyone else, all at once, was yet another completely invented crisis, and done by "Democrats" and Republicans both. They recommended that the partly-Governmental lenders ("Fannie Mae" and "Freddie Mac," etc.) now owned/run by commercial stockholders, be returned to totally Governmental operation and control, as they were under Roosevelt, when they worked.

The only parts I didn't like was where Grieder claimed watchdog regulators had been "castrated" (fucking offensive prick: like, women="bad," get it, bigots?; are they NEVER not bigoted against women, even here?), and the part where Grieder orders us all, like Lou Dobbs, to become "Independents," for some reason. No, actually, we need to become like great Democrats, like Dennis Kucinich, Marcy Kaptur, Sherrod Brown, Stephanie Tubbs-Jones, all of whom, interestingly, are from Ohio.

This subject matter, report, and discussion, were all really great; tape it if they play it again on PBS. I am also going to save the transcript from the link here on this thread. This is our country now. The only hope is that it will lead to a new era of Government regulation and help.
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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-08 03:19 PM
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8. I just watched the podcast. I'm stunned. wow.
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