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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:21 PM
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FLORIDA - Gov to Restore ex-felon voting rights HISTORY (and they're Dems) "Scoop"/Collins
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 10:31 PM by autorank
ATTN. Governors of states with laws that deny ex felons the right to vote, You now have a GREAT EXAMPLE. Gov. Crist of Florida is restoring ex-felon voting rights by edict, he’s signing an executive order soon and giving 600,000 Floridians the right to vote, mostly male, mostly minority, mostly black. He gains nothing by this politically. But he does have the satisfaction of MAKING HISTORY by doing the right thing. Let’s get our other governors in line with this. Thank you once again "Scoop" for supporting our great voting rights struggle.


Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0703/S00134.htm

Florida Gov. Crist Makes History



Will end permanent disenfranchisement of
Florida’s 600,000 ex-felons who’ve paid their debt



Newly elected Florida Gov. Charlie Crist (right) says “Good bye to all that”
and distances from disgraced Bush elections policies.
Michael Collins
“Scoop” Independent News
Washington, DC


TALLAHASSEE, FL (AP) -- Governor Charlie Crist says he will continue working to change the rules so that felons will have their voting rights automatically restored once they have paid their debt to society.


This is one of the most revolutionary and far reaching proposals made by a governor in years. The removal of voting rights for ex-felons, those who have served their time and returned to society, is a direct descendent of the 1890 Mississippi Constitution. This document proudly listed a variety of ways Post Reconstruction whites would remove all political power form black citizens.

Crist announced that this campaign promise was a top reform priority. The St. Petersburg Times quoted him as saying, “I am going to keep pushing to get us where I think we need to be." To accomplish this by edict under Florida law, Crist needs the consent of two or three cabinet members. In order to gain support, the Times reported that there would be exclusions for those convicted of murder, rape, or major drug trafficking.

During Reconstruction black American voting rates in the South were very high. Blacks and whites serving together in elected governments for years. When the Republicans traded the presidency for an end to Federal presence in the former Confederate states, the Compromise of 1876, Reconstruction ended and so did the rights of blacks to vote. This effort is part of general trend scholars Christopher Uggen and Jeff Manza termed Democratic Contraction, a means of denying universal suffrage for political advantage.

Once charged with a felony, almost any felony, you lose your right to vote, permanently in 14 states. As a result, 3.9 million Americans are disenfranchised for life due to felony convictions. Over 600,000 Floridians, mostly minority, mostly male, have lost their right to vote even though they have served their sentences. Florida is far from unique.

In Virginia, for example, over 200,000 males, mostly black Americans, have no right to vote due to felon disenfranchisement. Just before leaving office, former Virginia Governor Mark Warner was urged to restore ex felon voting rights by proclamation. He refused. His successor, Tom Kaine, Dem touts the efficiency of the restoration of voting rights. However, only a negligible number of ex felons have been returned to the rolls.

Crist’s proposal represents a serious attempt to right this long time wrong and end the ties between the New South and the racist legacy that survives even today in attacks on the voting rights of black Americans. He does so knowing that this may hurt his party and his own chances for re-election. Why? We can’t know for sure but there is every reason to believe that he’s doing this because it’s the right thing to do and it’s long overdue.

Take Action

Feel free to forward this article to the following governors, all of whom run states where ex felons are denied the right to vote permanently. Tell them you noticed that Gov. Crist will give over 600,000 Floridians the right to vote without expecting anything in return.

State, Governor, percent of total population disenfranchised, percent blacks disenfranchised

Alabama Bob Riley, Rep (7.5 - 31.5%)
Arizona Janet Napolitano, Dem (2.3 - 12.1%)
Delaware Ruth Ann Minner, Dem (3.7 - 20%)
Florida (Send a thank you to Gov Crist) (5.9 - 31.2%)
Iowa Chet Culver, Dem (2.0 - 26.5%)
Kentucky Ernie Fletcher, Rep (0.8 - 7.7%)
Maryland Martin O’Malley, Dem (3.6 - 15.4%)
Mississippi Haley Barbour, Rep (7.4 – 28.6%)
• abcarrillo@gov.nv.gov Nevada Jim Gibbons, Rep] (1.4 – 10.0%)
New Mexico Bill Richardson, Dem (4.0 – 24.1%)
• phil.bredesen@state.tn.us Tennessee Phil Bredesen, Dem (2.4 – 14.5%)
Texas Rick Parry, Rep (4.5 – 20.8%)
Virginia Tom Kaine, Dem (5.3 – 25.0%)
Washington Christine Gregoire, Dem (3.7 – 24.0%)
Wyoming Dave Freudenthal, Dem (4.1 – 27.7%)

Source, disenfranchisement rates.

See The Sentencing Project for actions and news on giving the vote to all citizens.

Permission to reprint given with attribution of authorship and a link to this article at “Scoop” Independent News.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:28 PM
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1. I will say it: Crist seems to be a great guy
I'm proud to have him as my governor.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:30 PM
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2. Restoration of these voting rights is so very important..
I'm glad he did it because its right but it also puts the heat on the othe governors. Haley Barbour will never do this but all the Democrats on the list at the bottom should, clearly...

3.9 million people! What a theft.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:07 AM
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44. i'm still not voting for him


(i'm in illinois! -- it's a joke. get it? ... oh, never mind)

and i'm glad to hear he is doing this. congratulations florida.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:36 PM
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3. kick
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rumpel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:37 PM
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4. Great news, and great OP
as usual...

I was not aware how long ago this originated...

thanks, autorank

:hi:
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:38 PM
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5. What tha...Crist is a Republican!
Republicans don't behave like this. :wtf:

Maybe when you find some people far enough removed from the Bush dynasty...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:45 PM
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6. And this benefits DEMOCRATATS - IN A BIG WAY 600k, mostly minority voters

Soomething is up with this Governor. He's also trying to do some good things on voting in general - called for citizen input and had a love fest with Bob Wexler, D (Palm Beach) to announce something Wexler wanted very bad in voting (all optical scans, which is not aq solution but what the heck, the Gov is working with the most outspoken Democrat, and a personal favorite of mine, on voting issues).

Lets recruit him: Gore/Crist;) Just kidding, for now, but....
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:46 PM
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7. There are good people everywhere
Including the Republican Party. Crist seems to be a very decent, progressive man.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:52 PM
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8. Right and this was a campaign promise!
Imagine that, a Republican in Florida in 2008 running with this in the platform, not hidden, right out there ... and he wins .... amazing.

No excuses for any other governor to hold back. Florida has the most disenfranchised ex felons and they're restoring rights automatically (except for murder, rape, real big drug dealers).

Cheers!!!! Great day to remember Selma.
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 10:53 PM
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9. can it get any weirder?
Yikes

4th rec and a kick later

ps does it strike anyone else as strange that one feels more confidence voting to rec a thread than one does when we cast an official vote? Yikes

Maybe let's get Elad to monitor our elections or something.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:03 PM
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10. Crist also announced an order to ban dre's, then changed his mind and went back
on his word.... He clearly WANTS to look like he is for voting rights, but I'm not sure if it is real. He did not give a reason for changing his mind....
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:14 PM
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12. $$$
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:17 PM
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14. You mean someone gave him dollars?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:34 PM
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18. Dunno yet about DREs' but he just gave a huge margin to the Democrats
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 11:35 PM by autorank
Amazing...600,000 males, mostly minority. 40% black Americans in this, approximately.

Florida is the worst culprit in this racket. Texas, by comparison, has 450,000 ex felons denied the
right to vote.

My state, Virginia, has 239,000...5 hears of guys I gave to and worked for (Warner & Kaine) and
we're hung up on individual hearings to restore rights. It can be done by edict here too! I wrote
a letter after 2005 and got a nice answer but a blow off ... oh, we gave back more than anyone to live.
In the letter I suggested to Warner that this would be both (a) the right thing to do and (b) one
Hell of a campaign boost to define himself as a warrior for the Constitution (founding fathers
never took away voting rights for prison time).

We'll see on the DRE's. One this, it's good to go and I'm happy for all of our brothers and
sisters getting to live their lives as full citizens (not to mention the 50,000 who arrive in
Florida from other states to live and find that their ability to vote is now denied - Jebbie
started that.

Where did you hear about the DRE's - got a link?

Thanks
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:51 PM
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25. I'll see if I can find an article. maybe on bradblog or one of the ep forums.
The reason I brought it up is because grand declarations were made, and then changed.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:53 PM
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27. Here's a quote from bradblog when Crist said he would scrap the dres:
The big story continues to be the total change of opinion in Florida where the Republican Governor has joined with a vocal Democratic Congressman (Wexler) to recommend the state change to optical-scan voting by 2008. They are now being joined by the Speaker of the State House of Representatives and some DRE county election officials. // “The price of freedom is not cheap. The importance of a democratic system of voting that we can trust, that we can have confidence is, is incredibly important.” Florida Gov. Charley Crist....
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:04 AM
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28. I can't find the news of when he changed his mind. I know he had trouble
taking a good position on the sarasota scandal, and I think his (Crists) election was also contested. His election positions keep changing. He sort of wants to, but then doesn't.

I found this quote from California Election Protection network:

In the Gubernatorial debate on October 30, 2006, Governor Crist was
> against
> paper ballots. However, he now supports them although he has not come
> out
> in favor of restoring public counting of paper ballots or even a random
> audit to ensure that the computers' results are correct. Those who are
> involved in the effort to preserve a representative democracy believe
> that
> Governor Crist's sudden change of his stance on paper ballots is due
> to the
> lawsuit contesting his election.

not an answer to your question, Autorank, but I won't believe him until he signs it.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 02:36 AM
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42. I agree. Thanks.. Then there's always the "compromise"
Crist has moved along quickly from "paper trails" for DREs to Optical Scans. Next is real election protection - paper ballots in a hybrid system.

Have you seen this? Very imaginative and productive, Florida specific.

http://tinyurl.com/3ysgk4

I'm doing something on it shortly and I kind of like the idea. It adapts to Florida and the guy behind it is a long long time elections activist...started after Florida 2000.

We'll keep making progress and the minute this Crist deal goes into effect, the ex felon enfranchisement, Florida will never be the same. Charlie may get a legislature that he can deal with.

:hi:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:01 PM
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50. personally I don't think optical scans is a good thing. really no different from dre's
unless the paper is counted, and we still haven't been able to count the ohio 2004 ballots.....
which would tear down the walls in one swoop.
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:04 PM
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51. great letter! I agree. Maybe you should post it as an op, because right now we need to motivate peop
people to bug their representatives to amend the holt bill!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:06 AM
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29. here is a link to Crist announcing "paper trails and voter integrity".
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:11 PM
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11. I guess there's at least one Pub politician who's honest and fair.
Good for HIM & the voters of Florida!
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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:16 PM
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13. Wow. It must be snowing in hell.
A republican governor takes a dramatic step in restoring voting rights? Amazing.



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nicknameless Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:17 PM
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15. K'ed & R'ed
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:38 PM
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20. You're on my Christmas Card List....big time.


SNOW STORM HIT HELL. SATAN ECSTATIC!!!

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:32 PM
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16. I'll be damned. If Crist keeps moving forward, he'll get re-elected easy
What a breath of fresh air.





And since someone mentioned Al Gore, I got my own pic.... of DA MAN.....


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:41 PM
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21. That's the deal here...this hurts Republicans.
It may get Crist some votes but it won't do a damn thing for the Feeney's of the world.

Go figure...I feel great for those who can now vote!

You'd like an extra 600,000 friendly faces to get to the polls, no;)?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:47 AM
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34. Nice pic.
Did you take that?

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:25 AM
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37. Which one, Bush getting ready to lite up?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:29 AM
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39. Funny.
We both know I took that one.

Right before he spilled the water on my carry-on.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:44 PM
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55. :-)
Carry-on....Thats what ya get for lighting up at the airport....


Pffffffffft


Here....
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:33 PM
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17. He is pulling his party back from the abyss
I'm glad to see it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:43 PM
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22. The may choose to stay but damn, this is quite a move.


It takes away the fear factors...which Governor with a reasonable mind, a simple sense of fairness,
would refuse to do this. Florida is the biggest offender in this racket but Crist did it an nobody
is freaking out, other than a few Klan dudes...this is amazing stuff. Maybe were experiencing the
singularity early;)
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:51 PM
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26. Email I received last month
Crist aims to steer Florida GOP toward center
By S.V. Dáte
Palm Beach Post Capital Bureau
Saturday, February 10, 2007

TALLAHASSEE — Still three weeks from his first regular legislative session, Gov. Charlie Crist already has put behind him a new law dealing with the top issue of the campaign trail: property insurance.

And as a new governor with a legislature led by his own party, he is almost certain to get quick approval of his personal top issue for the past three years: an "anti-murder" bill to get tough on probation-violators.

Not yet known, though, is whether these successes and even Crist's stellar approval ratings can let him manage what could be his boldest but, so far, his least-publicized challenge: to remake the state Republican Party in his own, more centrist image.

"Clearly a more tolerant party that believes in good law and order, sound financial discipline but ... a true compassion for people and our environment, particularly in a state like Florida, it is the wave of the future," said Crist, who prefers to call himself a "problem-solver" rather than accept a label like "moderate."

Yet on issue after issue - from cracking down on insurance companies to supporting implementation of the class-size amendment to pushing to scrap touch-screen voting machines - Crist has broken with conservative Republican orthodoxy of the past decade. Crist said he is merely trying to get his party back to the principles of founders such as Abraham Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.

The strategy seems to be working so far. A recent Quinnipiac University poll showed Crist with a 69 percent approval rating, with only 6 percent disapproving.

"Charlie is hitting Republican politics at exactly the right time to moderate the Republican Party in the state," said former state GOP Chairman Tom Slade, who cites the unpopularity of President Bush and the results of the 2006 congressional elections as proof that Crist is on the right track. "We have scared voters off with some of the hard-right stuff."

"Charlie Crist is doing exactly the right thing," said former GOP New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman, who has taken the same message nationally with a book titled It's My Party Too and a political action committee named for it.

She said recent polls show that 60 percent of Americans call themselves political centrists.

"That's where we need to run," she said. "We're sick to death of this hard-edged, narrow-minded image...We've had this attitude over the last few years that if you're not with me, you're against me."

'Room for both sides'

Crist said he is trying to accomplish what he promised on the campaign trail, not actively trying to generate new, more like-minded recruits to the party.

"It may have the unintended additional effect of expanding the base of the party I happen to belong to," Crist said. "I think it may open the eyes of some who may have thought that Republicans necessarily stood against the importation of prescription drugs from Canada, or stood against having a paper trail in our voting system, or stood against fighting for the betterment of our environment. But here we have a Republican governor who's fighting for all of those things, and higher teacher pay, and so maybe it gets a second look as a result."

Rep. Dennis Baxley, R-Ocala, one the of most outspoken Christian conservatives in the legislature, praised Crist's new direction - provided it does not move away from what he called "core" Republican positions such as opposition to abortion.

Baxley pointed to Crist's proposal to fund stem-cell research - a proposal that disappointed many Democrats and some Republicans because it would exclude most embryonic stem cells - as proof that Crist was willing to accommodate the GOP's base of social conservatives.

"That big tent covers people a little over to the right, too, like me," said Baxley, who for much of last year criticized Crist as too liberal. "Those are not necessarily in conflict. I think there's room for both."

Ending the run to the right

Crist's run as a different sort of Republican began more than a year ago. For decades in Florida, GOP primary politics has been a race to the right. But when Chief Financial Officer Tom Gallagher pulled out all the stops to lock up the "base" as defined by both President Bush and his brother, former Gov. Jeb Bush, Crist did not follow.

As Gallagher hammered on the importance of opposing gay marriage and abortions, Crist instead hammered insurance companies and electrical utilities. While Gallagher held news conferences with religious conservatives, Crist held one with the daughter of a black slain civil rights leader in Brevard County - and even acknowledged the consternation the move could cause among some GOP voters.

"There may be some that would conclude that it might be detrimental in a Republican primary, but that's not really what matters," Crist said in August, when as state attorney general he named four long-dead Klansmen as the killers in the case.

Crist won the primary by nearly a 2-1 margin, but a bigger statement came on the eve of the general election. President Bush flew to Pensacola, one of the few places in Florida where he was still popular, to campaign for Crist. But when Bush took the stage with Jeb Bush, Crist was in Delray Beach, talking to voters at a bagel shop.

The next day, North Florida voters were relatively cool to Crist. Twenty-eight conservative counties that had given Jeb Bush a 214,000-vote margin in 2002 gave Crist a 187,000-vote margin in 2006, even though voter registration had grown over those four years.

In 2002, those counties gave Bush 54 percent more votes than there were Republican voters. In 2006, the figure for Crist was down to 9 percent.

Crist wound up beating Democrat Jim Davis by 342,000 votes, a margin of 7 percent. It was a closer gap than either of Jeb Bush's victories, leading some conservative Republicans to grumble privately that Crist is giving away the franchise by moving too far to the middle.

Others say comparing Crist's wins to Bush's is the wrong standard, particularly given Bush's national name and his family's popularity in those years.

"The party needs to take a look at what happened in 2006, where you have Republicans who ran as centrists in Florida and in California who bucked the national anti-Republican tidal wave that swept a whole lot of Republicans out of office," said Todd Harris, a former and likely future aide to GOP presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain.

In California, GOP Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger won an easy reelection after adopting a number of traditionally Democratic positions.

"I think some elements of the party need to take a more pragmatic approach to government to ensure that we can have a sustainable majority here in Florida," Harris said.

Close call on party chairman

Not everyone in the party, however, seems ready to acknowledge such a need. At a state party meeting two weeks ago, Crist nearly lost a vote to install his personal choice, Seminole County's Jim Greer, as chairman.

The party voting structure - each county is given three votes, regardless of its population - favors the smaller, more conservative Panhandle and North Florida counties. Some Republicans said the close vote was fomented by Bush supporters, who had hoped to keep in place a party leader loyal to him.

"That was a momentary scare for Charlie," Slade said.

But with that fight in the past, Crist's consolidation of the party apparatus will probably move forward, given the power inherent in the governor's office.

You "want to put your own stamp on the party, and there's also nothing controversial about that," Harris said. "It is the Charlie Crist party. He's the governor. He's the leader of the party."

Baxley said he backed Crist's choice for party chair for that reason. He also cited Theodore Roosevelt as a respectable model for Crist's anti-big business and pro-environmental stands - but laughed when reminded that Roosevelt ultimately felt disgusted by his own Republican Party and sought a return to the presidency as a progressive.

"I hope we don't eventually play that one out," he said.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:38 PM
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19. Great news. Kudos to Crist. Thanks autorank.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:44 PM
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23. Thank you V'idar...go figure, what next? Smokin' Joe opposes the Iraq war..
...nah, just kidding.

:hi:
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 11:48 PM
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24. K&R.
'bout time for the whole U.S.

You do your time, you get to vote again.
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msedano Donating Member (682 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:08 AM
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30. what's up with this guy, some kind of radical?
doing the right thing because it's the right thing to do?

recommended.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:15 AM
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31. Go figure...and I know you will;)
Yep, can't do him any good. If it were me and I were the Republican Governor, I'd think that this was an ingenious scheme to get rid of all those 12th century mentality Republicans in the Florida Legislature...I'd figure I'll get elected because I'm honest and I'll get rid of these Republican turkeys, get some real work done. But Crist is not as bass ackwards and convoluted as I am. He just did the right thing. Don't even care why.

Now, here's my message to California:

Tear down those prison walls Mr. Schwarzenegger!

What's gotten into me?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:18 AM
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32. ACKNOWLEDGMENT - To DUer Patsy Stone ....
...for pointing out this most excellent link, which I had overlooked...

http://www.sptimes.com/2007/03/02/State/Restoring_rights_quic.shtml

:hug:
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:21 AM
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33. Why are felons more likely to vote dem?
'ex-felon voting rights HISTORY (and they're Dems)'

I thought the criminals in the world were rw'ers... :)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:59 AM
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41. Jail time and sentencing reflect class which takes in race and there...
...you have it. There's an excellent set of articles at the link for the Sentencing Project.

The poor are disproportionately represented in jails. Why? Well, they can't get lawyers or those they get are not as focused as those that you pay for yourself. so that's part one. Part two is that black citizens were specifically targeted for voter disenfranchisement by that 1890 Mississippi Constitution. It had poll taxes, literacy tests and a list of crimes to cause exclusion from voting. So this racket is directed at the poor, at minorities who are poor. 3.9 million disenfranchised felons/40% of them are black citizens.

That's the elongated version of my shorthand in the article.

It was carefully planned way back and has stayed in place due to institutionalized racism and just stupidity. I never miss a chance to tell my fellow Democrats in Virginia that our state is as bad as they come by proportion and that it's all from that damn 1890 Constitution. The folks who put that together were still fighting the Civil War and very racist (they were not shy about proclaiming it either). So when you hear people saying felons should lose their right to vote, ask them why they love the KKK so much...well, maybe that's not quite how to say it.

But it's a real mess and those governors need to get hip and get out of the rut of racism. Read the Bible: "Let he who hath not sinned, cast the first stone."
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:53 AM
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35. Jesus H. Christ without the H's??
Jesus.

Maybe Crist believes that the Republican Party can be a force for good.


If only Florida and Ohio got up off the floor and joined their Power Twins rings and said, "Shazzam!" to call on the full power of our constitutional democracy to put all this crap right.

In twenty minutes.

But I'm willing to just think of 2008 as a goal.

Because I'm realistic.


:thumbsup:
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 12:54 AM
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36. Hmmm...it's a trick, get an axe. - n/t
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:27 AM
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38. What's going on here?
He's a damn puke.

Frankly this is refreshing.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 01:38 AM
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40.  A "puke" that has done what others, both Reps and Dems
have not done. Good for him.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 02:52 AM
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43. k&r
ps. Al Gore is my president. :)

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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 05:20 AM
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45. Remember when politicians regardless of party would do the RIGHT THING?
We need more of that kind of politics in this country...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:48 PM
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49. I do and this one goes down in the books as an A+
Talked to a very sophisticated political type and he's stumped. Doesn't see the angle. Well, doing the right thing is an angle I said. He laughed and we ended the call in a great mood.

Go figure.....
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:05 AM
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46. excellent news! Surprised by my state's numbers.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 05:23 PM
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53. Yet another of the many ways to guarantee a close election!!! n/t
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:07 AM
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47. wingnuts in fla must be apopleptic over the guy they elected to be gov.
I am loving reading about it.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 03:46 PM
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48. Could be...but he's at 69% approval...
Now this Governor is the anti-Jeb - so the state as a whole is really fed up with the nonsense and games.

Good for Crist. I hope he keeps going and gets a great Democratic legislature, more compatible with his aims on the envirionment and individual consumer protections.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 04:06 PM
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52. This is Great!
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 04:06 PM by Madspirit
I don't think anyone's voting rights should ever be pulled unless they are going to be allowed to never pay taxes. No taxation without representation.

What does committing a crime have to do with voting? After all, many politicians are just uncaught criminals...<g>
Lee
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Patsy Stone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:09 PM
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54. Kick for FLA!
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 09:10 PM by Patsy Stone
Say it loud: "I have a RINO governor!" Actually, he may just be an old-fashioned Republican. It's been so long since I've actually seen one, I'm not sure.
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