Any other short DU'ers offended by Libby being made fun of for being short!

[Bonobo]

I'm just burning up here!

Yeah, I'm short, but I'm sick and tired of all this short guy bashing! First it's Randy Newman with his song "Short People" ("Got no reason to live").
Is Randy Newman advocating the death of short people!
Then, people criticize Libby for being Short! They call him a Twerp!
People, even here on DU, talk about how short men have "complexes"! That they just wish they were tall! How is this any different than making fun of masculine-looking men or blondes!

Studies show that short men already get paid less money, have a hard time getting married and some even say that they are stupider than tall men!

How many times have you heard women say they would date someone under 6 feet tall, etc! Well, I'm sick of SHORT-GUY Bashing! Think of OUR feelings!

I want everyone here to make a pledge NOT to use the following words:
"TWERP"
"SHORTY"
"RUNT"
"MIDGET"
"SQUIRT"
"SHRIMP"
"PEEWEE"
"HALF PINT"
"DWARF"
"HOMONCULUS" (Okay if referring to real Homonculii)

What do you say, DU? Are you with me? It's time we stopped this!

[illinoisprogressive]

1. I'm short and I don't mind. I personally find the randy newman song funny.

[Bonobo]

2. So you are okay with jokes that hurt and wound people?

I suppose you are okay with gay jokes, racist jokes, etc.?

I hope your self-hating soul finds respite some day.

[BlooInBloo]

8. Yah - and she/he's pro-Holocaust too. Sheesh.

[GainesT1958]

3. Well, some short people have a Napoleonic complex, and ...

Many others don't.

All Scooter lacked, apparently, was the act of putting his hand in his coat!:eyes:

B-)

[karlrschneider]

4. I promise I will never again eat SHRIMP in a sauce made with a HALF PINT

of cream and a SQUIRT of Marsala!
:D

[Bonobo]

10. Karl Schneider... I won't forget this!!

Grrrrrr.....!

[karlrschneider]

13. I am counting on it!!!!

:D

[Bonobo]

14. I'll punch you in the kneecaps for that!

[karlrschneider]

16. Well, as long as you're down there...

:D :rofl:

[Bonobo]

17. Hey Now! I will NOT tie your shoes!

[originalpckelly]

31. So that's what they're calling it these days?

Interesting. :-)

[BlooInBloo]

5. OOMPA LOOMPAS!

:rofl:

Bad blooinbloo - bad!

[npincus]

83. LOL

[uppityperson]

6. Are you serious or is this a parody?

I really can't tell. That means either you are deadly serious, or is so well written to fool me.

[Bonobo]

18. Does it matter?

[uppityperson]

19. Good writing. Either way.

:toast:

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. I am pretty short, by national average.

But if you want really short, go to Okinawa. Man, they have some very short people there. Some of them are karateka.

They can also mess your merde up before you have time to blink.

I never saw being relatively short as a handicap or a deficit. Broken, useless folks come in all sizes.

[Bonobo]

12. I do Okinawan Karate for this very reason!

You know what they say:

"Short people do Naihanchi better cause their feet are closer to the ground!"

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

51. Speaking of Naihanchi:

On YouTube, search on "okinawa karate". Then find the video of the ShorinRyu guy(Okinawan) doing the absolute best Naihanchi I have ever seen, wherein he clearly shows the use of chinkuichi in the kata.

Breathtaking.

On Edit: Massachusetts. You must do Uechi Ryu?

[Bonobo]

53. No, I am Shorin Matsubayashi.

Please send me the naihanchi link.

I am usually underwhelmed by others Naihanchis, but it is hard to tell muscle rigidity on video.

What style are you?

BTW, I don't think Uechi does Naihanchi. Do they?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

59. Dunno.

I just assumed that if it was Mass., it was Uechi. I mean, You practically have traffic cops directing traffic with Uechi Seisan in that state, it's so ubiquitous.

Isshinryu here. NJ. I think Isshinryu is the official state Ryu. ;-)

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DEVYxsihlE

Watch the hips. Pay very close attention to what he is doing with them, his legs and feet and when. That's chinkuichi("Chinkoots" in Okinawan common pronouncement). It's something they have not shared with the west much, and have explained less. "Oh, don't worry about chinkoots! Do more knuckle pushups in gravel! Make stronger!. Pushups Numbah 1!"

I got that from a guy who trained there, a long time, and was willing to share. He spoke Okinawan fluently.

[Bonobo]

62. Ha! That's Shinzato! My sensei trained with him! He IS great!

He has the very BEST body mechanics, but I understand his only weak spot is his bunkai (application).

Yes, he really reflects the whiplike motion and koshi use that we work for in my dojo and I think is missing from most Japanese karate.

You have a good eye!

[TomInTib]

15. Contrary to popular belief, Size doesn't matter....

It's Heart, last time I checked...

[BlooInBloo]

30. Heart can be developed. You can't teach big...

Alternate: At the end of the game, the quick guys are tired, but the big guys are still big.

[TomInTib]

33. Yeah,... I know

But I am a hopeless romantic...

And I have known quite a few vertically-challenged (short) people.

And one of them saved my life on several occasions.

And I let him down when the stakes were ultimate...

[BlooInBloo]

35. I use terms like "short" and "tall" (and other terms as well) self-comparatively....

I.e., anyone shorter than me is short, and anyone taller than me is tall. That should indicate how much I value the concepts 'short' and 'tall'.

Short folks can do lots of things - one of which you named.

It has to be acknowledged, however, that they aren't the best rebounders.

:)

[TomInTib]

37. So let them play point guard....

We all live on the same blue ball....

[BlooInBloo]

38. Deal!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

52. Wasn't it said, by a certain Marcinko person...

That many SEALS are short? No lack of bottle in your fraternity, Thomas.

[Left Hook]

63. I could insert tasteless joke

but I won't. O8)

[Lex]

9. They aren't making fun of short people! They are making fun of

people who make fun of short people.

As a tall person, I'd just like to say that I'm not offended and don't see what you're upset about.


/sarcasm

[TomInTib]

11. I am tall and I am with you...

the most amazing person who I have ever known was maybe 5'6". Maybe.

His name was Minh.

Being not tall just means that you are closer to the ground.

And that's what counts, don't it?

I absolutely hate (and I mean Hate) discrimination based on size or "pretty".

Tom

[anitar1]

20. Short men are better lovers, imo. Honest !! n/t

[BlooInBloo]

22. As is likely of men of any class that commonly feels like it has to prove itself in women's eyes.

EDIT: Clarified.

[BlooInBloo]

21. Who, outside of a Philosophy of Mind course, encounters the word "homunculus" (preferred spelling)?

[Bonobo]

24. Ummm, wizards, alchemists perhaps.

Plus you just did, so I'm putting you on ignore!

[BlooInBloo]

Ah. D&D people. Fair enough.

[uppityperson]

25. Health care people, esp those teaching about contraception and biology.

[BlooInBloo]

26. LOL! What does "little man" refer to in contraception/biology? I'm scared to guess...

:rofl:

[uppityperson]

28. well, way back 1 thought about how males were involved in reproduction was

their ejaculate was full of little homunculi. One got stuck inside the female, growing into a bigger baby, born, etc.

[BlooInBloo]

29. Sweet!

[BlooInBloo]

40. An odd theory, now that I think about it... Even back then, people woulda been able...

... to see that children received both paternal AND maternal characteristics. They theory-skeleton you describe predicts that maternal traits not be passed on.

[IntravenousDemilo]

23. Short men are often better hung...

There's an old saying, "Big man, big cock. Little man, ALL cock."

Some of those Olympic gymnasts have pretty hefty packages.

[Beausoir]

27. I don't like short-phobic people.

[originalpckelly]

32. Message from Short Stack (my secret source): Follow the yellow brick road...

Seriously. Libby is so working with the Lollipop Guild.

[aquart]

34. There are many lengths by which to measure a man.

Libby's shortfall is ethics.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

36. I'm a short woman and I don't like being dissed either.

Furthermore, I like short men and feel a lot more equal to them.

I have dated tall men in the past who admitted that they enjoyed intimidating shorter people!!!

In the interest of full disclosure, I'm five foot three and my main man is five foot eight. My parents were both much taller than I am.

I get real tired of two-legged giraffes walking in the mall who think they can run over me. Both male and female.

I enjoy being able to stretch my legs on a plane!!

[BlooInBloo]

41. My mom was 5'2", me 6'2", my dad 6'6"...

... My dad & I would tease my mom a fair bit, after I got to be 12 or 13 at least... She took it in stride though (a short stride, naturally (rimshot))...

I'll still rip on short boys sometimes, I suppose. But there's no point in commenting on short girls - they're essentially *all* short.

Avoiding/accommodating/being polite to people shouldn't be a height-issue, though.

[raccoon]

72. Ditto here. Although now that I'm middle-aged, I don't mind it now,

..mainly because people rarely if ever say anything about it now.

I used to get comments about my height when I was younger. Especially in elementary school. I hated that.

"Furthermore, I like short men and feel a lot more equal to them."

Me too.

[Jack Rabbit]

39. In my human disguise, I'm 5'3" tall (as a leporine, I'm 2 feet long)

Gee, I learned some of those words in the OP on my first day of kindergarten. I still regard it as one of the most unpleasant days of my life.

Libby is a fake. He's obviously 6'4".

[ninkasi]

42. I'm a woman

and consider myself average, at 5'4". My only daughter is an inch shorter, my older son is 6'2", and my younger son is right at 6 ft. Funny, but I never really thought about height before. I guess with the variations in our family, nothing seems abnormal. My older son, the one who is 6'2", is married to my daughter-in-law, who is a foot shorter. Their daughter, my granddaughter, is around 5'3", since she's a bit taller than her mom.

We have a wide range of heights in my family, but the main thing seems to be whether when my kids are all over for a meal, I can remember which kid likes pecans, and which one doesn't. Same for coconut. They all love the main dishes, but there's just something a little weird about watching your 45 year old son pick out all of the pecans in your Italian Cream cake, because he doesn't like them.

[Kindigger]

43. Don't feel bad

because you have to ask a fellow shopper to get that cereal off the top shelf, rather than eat family size Wheaties the rest of your life (which won't help). You probably figured that out long ago huh? :P

Us left-handed folk, every THING in the world is against US!

As a side note...both of us are destined to have our lives shortened by our respective handicaps.

[Hubert Flottz]

44. I get that kind of shit over being too long, all the time!

I just count to ten and then it all gets more betta!

EDIT...Everybody's always too something...just be glad you're not too stupid and greedy like your pResident!

[silverojo]

45. You missed the point of Randy Newman's song

It was NOT advocating the death of short people!! It was targeting bigoted people by exaggerating their stupidity, in much the same way that Steve Colbert's exaggeration of a Republican character is targeting Republicans.

Secondly, if Scooter Libby were tall, he'd be made fun of for being tall. In other words, a hated figure is going to be ridiculed no matter HOW he looks.

Finally, stop and put things into perspective. The Bush Administration and all its evil cronies are destroying America, and what's burning you up about the Scooter Libby coverage is that people are making fun of him because he's short?

Everybody has something about their physique that others would make fun of. Tall people don't live in paradise, you know. There are plenty of insults aimed at tall people for being "lanky" (if they're tall) or "freaks" (if they're really tall). John Cleese of Monty Python felt horrible about being tall, because he was singled out for tall jokes.

What a person needs to do is to accept themselves for who they are. I spent several months in a wheelchair due to illness, and I learned the hard way, not to give a damn what anybody thinks about what I look like. I was just so thankful to be able to stand up and walk around again, I realized that "body issues" are bullshit.

I pray that you'll learn that lesson WITHOUT going through a horrible experience as I did. :)

[ClintonTyree]

46. Short people have no reason......

the topic got me thinking of Randy Newman's classic, "Short People". :rofl:

And I believe the correct term is, "vertically challenged", not, "short".

Short, or vertically challenged, if you will, is all relative. I'm 5'10" tall but hung around a bunch of guys that were all well over 6' tall. I was considered "short" in my group of people. It was tough being the shrimp of the lot. But I got all the girls. ;)

[malaise]

47. Given the dealth and destruction associated with these goons

I don't give a flying fugg who calls them what.

[Clark2008]

48. I"m short and I laugh it off.

Short people look younger longer.

:P

[LWolf]

49. Please.

DU is not exempt from the social dysfunctions of the rest of the nation. One of which is to attempt to gain status through put-downs. We are a nation that glorifies bullying. Another is to use shallow, valueless criteria like height and other physical characteristics to judge the worth of others.

Do I like it? No. Do I think it reflects well on DU, and Democrats in general? No. Do I think DU cares how I feel about it? No. Do I think that pointing these things out will suddenly cause all of DU to dig down a little further in the recesses of their brain to replace shallow irrelevance with substantive criticism? When pigs fly.

[sniffa]

50. the short poLice are gonna swarm

:eyes:

[WinkyDink]

54. Yet another topic about which DU'ers should not laugh?? And I'm 5'2".

Man, we are rapidly becoming Republican in our lack of senses of humor.

[Eurobabe]

69. you got that right. pretty soon we won't be able to discuss ANYTHING

I am so sick of PC!

[Bonobo]

73. Just for you Winky..

(It was a parody. I have a sense of humor, albeit a dark, cynical one. Shhh...)

[Connie_Corleone]

55. Why don't we just not joke about anyone or anything ever again.

Some person, animal, alien lifeform, or inanimate object might be offended.

Even if you think what you're writing might not offend anyone, don't write it, because it will offend someone.

Just go in a corner and curl up in the fetal position. There I go. I just offended the fetuses.

[johnnie]

56. I know your post is partly a joke but..

I am 5'5" and have always been short compared to everyone else. I have heard every short joke in the book and at the age of 42, I still hear them.

I have had experiences where my height has been an issue with many things in my life, including jobs, relationships and some other social situations. It never really burned me up, but there is no doubt that a lot of people think differently of shorter men.

But since it isn't an issue for the PC crowd, it isn't an issue with me because people would just tell me to shut the fuck up..lol. Plus, I am a white, straight male so I have no right to feel bummed out when people rag on me for how tall my genes let me get. :)

[HeeBGBz]

57. I think short men are hot.

Between 5' and 5'5" and I start to salivate. Prince, Davy Jones, yummy.

[ScreamingMeemie]

58. Sometimes these posts are even worse than the truly offensive

posts... It's points out a person's unwillingness to see what's right there in front of their face. If you're looking for cheers and "Gosh your clever's" you're not getting them from me.

[Puglover]

61. Agreed Mrs. G

This OP gives "passive agressive" new meaning.

[Bonobo]

75. Jeez, you ARE grumpy!

[ScreamingMeemie]

76. No. Just matter of fact.

This being a message board and all. :hi:

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

77. I have to agree.

Spot on.

[Irreverend IX]

60. This is a parody... I hope.

You should keep writing these. See how absurd you can get before the majority of posters realize they've been had.

[Bonobo]

70. You're only one of a couple that realized that. Thank you.

I'm thinking of my next subject at this very moment...

[devilgrrl]

82. And the point of doing this is?

What are you getting out of this? And what is it that you attend on accomplishing?

Clown.

[Left Hook]

64. Ahhhh, stop the PCing.

That goes overboard. Some needs to get a grip.

[devilgrrl]

65. Uhhh, Randy Newman's 'Short People' is about prejudice not the annihilation of them

:eyes:

It's amazing that after all these years, people still don't get the point of the song. :eyes:

[johnnie]

66. When that song came out

I was about 12 years old, and all the other 12 year olds thought the song was about short people and I had the pleasure of having it being sung to me about 50 times a day.

Sometimes people take things literally and don't get the "joke". In fact, this has happened a few times even in recent years.

[Beelzebud]

67. No. I'm short and fat, and it doesn't bother me. I'm tired of the faux outrage at every offense.

I'm more offended that a lot of people around here seem to think that humor is an offensive act, that is off limits because we might hurt everyone's feelings...

[peekaloo]

68. I'm short. From my perspective I see a lot of asses, usually on tall people.

:hide:

[GoneOffShore]

71. Bonobo, grow up!

:smile:

[Evoman]

74. Every evil in history has been perpetuated by short men.

Its a fact....tall men are too busy getting laid to fuck up the world. Its the frustrated short people that cause all the problem.

[Lilith Velkor]

78. Brilliant - K & fuckin' R!

:rofl:

:toast:

[Nikki Stone1]

79. Being short wasn't Libby's problem. Being a criminal was.

I support the OP

[patrice]

80. My second-degree Black Belt in Tae Kwan Do husband is short.

He's not offended by anything.

[Carni]

81. Oh for God's sakes--

Are you freaking kidding me?

I just give it the hell up...!!!!!

[ecstatic]

84. As a 5'2 (who goes by 5'3) American, I am highly offended. The bashing must stop!!

:sarcasm:

[Kelly Rupert]

85. Any other offensive DUers offended by people being offended at us? n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

86. I'm 6'3". You think you have it bad?!!!

Showers that hit you in the navel.
Beds that your feet hang over the end of.
Being hit upon to change light bulbs, paint the ceiling, get the suitcase from the top rack, etc
Being "volunteered" first when you're in the military.
Being expected to be a wizard at basketball.
Being easy to spot when the boss is looking for someone to do something distasteful.
Having to pay extra for XTall.
Discovering that the seat doesn't go back far enough in the car.
Giving up on being comfortable in a passenger plane, train, or bus.
Being in a country of short people and endlessly bumping your head (Japan).
Trying to find size 15 shoes.
Having to find something for your wife/GF to stand on to kiss her.

And, many, many, more.

[Bluebear]

87. Translation: Lighten up, faggots.

Why don't we just go for broke and stop beating around the bush?

[sniffa]

88. don't be such a humorphobe

[Bluebear]

89. Excuse me, kindly reply on the ORIGINAL thread.

OK?

:rofl:

[NMMNG]

90. Oversensitive PC freak

:eyes: