I may go to jail Saturday.

[karlrschneider]

This is 4 miles from my home...

http://www.kotv.com/news/local/story/?id=122001

[helderheid]

1. those people are nuts. Be careful!

:patriot:

[karlrschneider]

3. Yeah, I know. But my baseball bat probably doesn't.

:grr:

[TahitiNut]

16. Hey! You make 'nuts' sound like a Bad Thing™?

(Tsk, tsk!) Try 'sociopathic' or 'insane', OK? :silly:


This has been a public service post from the International Coalition of Fruits and Nuts.

[helderheid]

22. Oh my! Please forgive me! Those people are waaay unbalanced dude!

[Maraya1969]

107. I'm sneaking in here. Do it like Michael Moore! I linked to the video for your benefit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33-_9nOX8KM


I would just LOVE to ask the woman with the long blondish hair if I could stick my tongue down her throat. Anyway, watch the video and you'll see what I mean.

[Maraya1969]

108. Here's a one man show with Phelps Jr. Just like the Michale More one. Priceless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZPsTM-4qgg

Don't get mad. Make them squirm!

[ChairmanAgnostic]

99. some people have allergies, though

I also prefer insance or sociopathic.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. Just make sure you have adequate grounds and witnesses for

when your defense attorney pleads "justifiable homicide".

[Cabcere]

4. "Thank God for IEDs?!?!"

:grr: The FUCK is wrong with those whackjobs?! :puke: My thoughts will be with you, and of course the family and friends of Lance Cpl. Fisher. Thank God for the Patriot Guard, more like - there were several of them at my friend Danny's funeral a few weeks ago, and it was really good to know that they were looking out for all of us. No protestors showed up - the funeral was held in a pretty remote location - but if they had...well. I don't normally advocate violence, but they certainly would've heard from me to say the least. :grr:

[xchrom]

5. lemme get my bat and i'll join you.

and i'll paint it pink -- just in case they don't get the irony.

[karlrschneider]

12. LOL! That's a great idea!

:toast:

[patrice]

19. Love it!! Is that the bat that got A.C. dumped from

some editorial pages this week?

There was a post on this board earlier today about that. I'm too lazy to go find it. I don't normally react to anything AC (I have turned her into 0, so I don't feed the beast of her contempt), but I saw that and read it, because it was about the media.

[xchrom]

29. shit -- i'll take her bat and paint it the fuckin rainbow flag!

and then show fred and crew some gay love.

[patrice]

49. I hope you do!

And I'll do what I can to help.

:bounce: Let's do it! :bounce:

[patrice]

72. Here's that link I told you about.

Somebody's had your bat and has been "beating" AC about the head recently . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=369780

[patrice]

106. Here's another link for that rainbow bat. Newspapers still employing AC.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200703080002

I think I'll write a few myself.

[northofdenali]

6. karl, go. It'll hurt. it'll be very, very painful for a vet. but dammit -

go anyway. You will support the Marine's family and friends. Hopefully, my buddy bikers will be there. The Patriot Guard will surely put in a presence. http://www.patriotguard.org/

FUCK these assholes. God will smite them when His time comes, but dammit, let's us do it in OUR time.

:patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot::patriot:

[karlrschneider]

10. Amen and amen. I don't plan on doing any real physical violence

unless they don't run away. :D

[northofdenali]

20. And if they run..........

I've got a nice, big, black, very torqued motorcycle that can follow.........

:hug::hug::hug:

[Cabcere]

26. Thanks for that link, northofdenali

They were there at my friend's funeral, and I had been meaning to try and get in touch to send a thank-you letter but I couldn't remember what they were officially called. :blush: Cheers! :patriot:

[northofdenali]

47. Welcome, Cab - they are a fantastic group.

What was the old line from that western tv show, "brave courageous and bold"?

Yep.

Welcome uphere any time - the bikers and you, too!

[Coyote_Bandit]

7. May I recommend

a safe room for your home?

http://www.jimsafe.com/catalog.asp

Those folks are bat-shit crazy. Stay safe.

[GoneOffShore]

14. Just went there.

I've worn tin foil hats in my time, but that is the ultimate.

Just saying.

[Coyote_Bandit]

27. Not being local

you would not know that Jim Giles is the recently deceased longtime weatherman at KOTV channel 6 which linked the story in the OP. Ads for safe rooms featuring his widow are now playing with some frequency on local television.

[karlrschneider]

36. Jim was a friend of mine...not close but we have fished together

a few times here at the lake. And a 'safe room' is actually, as you know, a pretty darn good thing to have here in tornado alley. :-)

[Coyote_Bandit]

59. Safe rooms are good things

When I was in college I used to room with someone who is now a spouse of one of the current KOTV news folks. I had occasion to meet Jim and found him to be quite charming. I miss his presence during the evening newscast. I'll miss him even more when Octoberfest rolls around.

I'm going to look at the Home and Garden show this weekend to see if there is a booth representing his safe rooms.

edit to add:
Seriously, be careful around those nutcases. Remember a number of them are licensed to practice law - and well experienced in using the law to harass and intimidate. I know some folks who have counter-protested them in different venues. They will be ugly. Thank you for what you are doing.

[karlrschneider]

65. We have an underground 'hidey hole' just out the back door.

I've had connections of sorts with KOTV since the mid 1960s...Henry Lile who you may possibly recall, was a very good friend; I flew his airplane many times while he filmed various events. As to the Phelps gang, I'm less fearful of those goons than I am of my neighbor's chihuahua. :D

[Carni]

93. Esp since those areas seem to lack basements in homes!

I have relatives in Ok and I was sort of surprised that none of them have basements.

I think I would want a safe room too if I lived in Tornado country!

[Subdivisions]

8. I'm sure we could gather up the bail money... n/t

[karlrschneider]

13. The D.A. and the Chief Judge are good friends of mine. Bail won't be a problem.

:D

[patrice]

9. I student taught at the high school where their kids went to school.

They are legendary for what they'll sue people over; the family consists mostly of lawyers. So even if the police don't have a problem with you, the Phelpses don't care. They don't even care if they can win or not in a civil suit. They live together and support one another financially and otherwise. My advice . . . Just don't interact with them personally.

[karlrschneider]

11. I have that covered. All my assets are legally separate from me.

Let the bastards sue, they can't get a fucking penny.

[northofdenali]

21. Patrice, up here, what you do with folks like that

is lose 'em somewhere up on the haul road. Mid winter. 65K+ below. No gas stations in 415 miles.

And blow their tires.

No, I'm not nice. But I'm not mean, either. I'd leave their blankets.

Unless I needed 'em to donate to the Vet Center.......


:P

[patrice]

30. You sound very much like a couple of my brothers.

Ex-Navy guys, one of them a lifer who retired as one of the highest grade Chief Petty Officers possible. We differ quite a bit on this war (or at least we did - he lives elsewhere, so I haven't talked to him for more than a year), but we've learned to respect each other, because we are family and that's the way my Dad wants it.

Our family has a lot of people in the military still. One is Delta Force, so he's seen a lot of duty in Iraq.

So, though I disagree, I understand too.

[northofdenali]

31. Understood and HUGS!

<[[patrice>]]

THIS war, however, is the only war our nation has ever started without provocation, without reason, and with only one goal.....

M.O.N.E.Y.

to the already monied, including, but not limited to Halliburton, Bechtel, GE, ExxonMobil, etc.

My closest buddy is one of my cousins who is ex-Navy. My father-in-law, who just died Saturday (and I'm still crying) was Pacific Theater, Machinist's Mate on an LCT in WWII.

Disagreements on DU are standard and expected. No prob here.

[patrice]

60. Thanks for the hug. Don't get many of those these days.

Yep. Money - Money up there at Cheney's level AND money down here at my level.

This war, with all of the private contracting (read that War Profiteering), is an attempt to root Death and Destruction (with - forgive the reference - cannon fodder from the Lower Classes) in the Middle Class jobs base. So, I heartily agree ". . . including, but not limited to. .).

I know, from personal experience, all of the nostrums about the death of a loved one are pretty much BS. Three have passed-on from my life, including my husband of 30 years. Maybe you can understand when I say it is possible to let the pain carve your heart and change you for the better, so I don't think it is such a good idea to hide from it.

My Dad, to whom I referred above in the present tense, passed-on a little over a year ago. He was a MSgt. airplane engine machanic, who was among the first to enter the liberated Concentration Camps. He never would tell us kids the details, but he for sure told us several times how horribly sad War is even when you're in the Right (something that used to puzzle me quite a bit, but I think I understand better now, having seen how bad it is when it is Wrong). Daddy also helped organize the first Pipefitters Union in Kansas. He was a Labor guy through and through and he named me after a fire-breathing Populist priest, Fr. Patrick OBrian, who preached Labor rights from the parish pulpit in the little Kansas town where I was born. It is to Dad that I dedicate my activism; that's part of why I still refer to him in the present tense. He sends his hope and best wishes to you and your friends to fight the good fight in the face of hate and bigotry.

:hug:

[northofdenali]

87. Then double ((((hugs))) patrice.

I get so much from my fellow DU'ers that it's hard not to give back! Wow, buncha Navy guys, a MSgt. daddy, and your beloved. That is NOT easy. I lost my dad in 1983, many others before in Viet Nam, and Korea, and just now, my father-in-law.

Your daddy sounds like he would've been someone Dale (my FIL) would have made another of his best friends. What heroes we were lucky to have.

:hug::pals::hug:

[patrice]

103. Yep. The DU can be a hurtful place!

That's a pain that I will not allow to "carve my heart".

There ARE a bunch of double and tripple agents on this board, mostly with the purpose of "Divide and Conquor" and cause as much pain as possible, even about the smallest shit. I usually try to turn them into 0s, because, more than anything else, they REALLY hate being nothing. Being a 0, in fact, causes them great pain, so I guess that's one pain I enjoy.

I always consider it a privilege, though, to talk to those with whom I disagree when we can have civil discourse, really disect the issues, dig into both sides and look at how they work. I'm a pretty good debater and I know that means to never get personal, but some feel assaulted when you ask sensitive questions. I don't mean to be, but I have been called a "ball cutter". Some people are just toooooo weak and insecure.

Be safe northofdenali! I'll see you around.

It's been a pleasure to have met you. Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!

[Critters2]

15. I remember when these crazies were at my denom's national gathering

I had one high school aged girl who was really torn as to how she felt about glbt issues. Then she came face to face with this hatred. The first time one of 'em blocked her way on the sidewalk into the convention center, she was IN HIS FACE!! I had to pull her back, to keep her from hitting him.

That experience of hate speech first hand was transformative for her. She's a great advocate for glbt people at her graduate school now, and a well-spoken progressive.

All because she saw what hatred really looks like. Way to go, Rev. Phelps!!

So, go confront these guys, karl. I'll be thinking of you!

[northofdenali]

32. You should talk about someone coming into your face with

hatred?? You shouldn't talk about that at all.

[Critters2]

34. Oh, you mean because I don't think animals should be abused ?

Whatever.

[northofdenali]

37. Get a life.

[Critters2]

42. I just responded to you. What's wrong? nt

[Dave Reynolds]

17. Well, sometimes a thing needs doing.

And those sick fucks have been too lucky for a long time.

Sorry kids, I'm not your garden-variety pacifist lefty. Sometimes folks just need a good ass-kicking.

[patrice]

24. No need to apologize. I know how you feel.

I had some difficulty when I first started standing on streetcorners with some others, before the Invasion of Iraq. I love the Quakers, but some of them kept advising us not to say stuff to the hecklers. It was VERY hard, especially when it came to Hummers full of drunk WASP suburban males partying on weekends, screaming their love for Bush and other obscenities at us.

Mixing it up with them verbally never worked to get the message out, but it sure felt good. There aren't so many of them anymore and WAY MORE honking in support of our message.

Our group has learned to get even with them by having really good homemade signs.

[Marrah_G]

18. My ex is a patriot guard rider

They were up at the funeral in Mass for the female soldier a couple weeks ago. Big hugs to all of them across the country.

[northofdenali]

23. You have a very, very good man/woman ex.

The Patriot Guard are top-of-the-line bikers. I know. I thank them for every time they've shown up when they are sorely needed.

[meldroc]

25. PSA: Heckle the bastards, but DO NOT ASSAULT THEM. Beware their lawyers.

They finance their vile little road trips and protests by suing those that cross the line and assault them. Every time somebody strikes them or threatens them, their lawyers are right there, with video cameras, ready to file lawsuits demanding tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Though if you really can't resist, I recommend wearing ski masks when confronting them. ;)

[Critters2]

41. A good many of 'em ARE lawyers! nt

[razors edge]

44. Then steal the cameras

and kick the lawyers asses.

Or, one of my all time favs, take an egg, poke small holes in each end and blow it empty, epoxy the hole on one end, fill with nail polish remover epoxy it closed.

No visible damage till they wash the car and the paint rolls off. Kids love em.

[frogcycle]

100. yeah, vandalize their rental cars

that'll teach 'em

[Dave Reynolds]

28. Oh, I forgot to mention.

Make sexual offers to the men of the group. It drives them INSANE.
:evilgrin:

[proud patriot]

33. Bless You

:patriot:

[ContraBass Black]

35. Take friends and signs, but leave the weapons behind.

[karlrschneider]

38. No weapons. Just a sports-related implement.

:D

[KatyaR]

39. Well, if you are, I'll be the first one to throw in some money for bail.

Somebody needs to stand up and tell those people to get the hell outta my state!

[Swamp Rat]

40. Print this for Fred:

[karlrschneider]

43. LOL! That's great, I'll print a BUNCH of 'em!

:rofl:

[Swamp Rat]

45. Excellent!

:bounce:

[northofdenali]

46. Swamp Rat, you are THE BEST!

:pals:

[Swamp Rat]

55. Way'at northofdenali!

:hi: :hug:

[patrice]

63. OMG!!! Hieronymus Bush!!!!!

:wow: :blush: :wow: :blush: :wow:

[Swamp Rat]

66. LOL!

I was inspired after seeing it in the Prado last month; it's one of my all-time favorite paintings.

[patrice]

70. Bosch made a big impression on me the first time I saw

Garden and others years ago in some book. I've never seen one for real. I know it's a whole new experience when you do.

I have not been to Madrid yet. Have been to the Louvre; it made me absolutely giddy. Went to the Rijksmuseum in Amsterdam a few years ago, all fired up to see Van Gogh, one of my favorites, but they were closed for somesort of big renovation! :( Must try again . . . soon.

Thanks for posting it! I'm going to see if I can enlarge it and take a closer look. It has a water-mark, so you're protected, right?

[Swamp Rat]

71. Ha!

The first museum I ever went to in Europe was the Louvre and the second one was the Rijksmuseum! :D

I recommend the Museo Nacional Sofía Reina (it has Picasso's "Guernica"), if you ever go to madrid... a REALLY great, safe city, full of friendly people, excellent food, and lots of places to go. Plus, it's centrally located. It only took me a couple of hours to drive to Bilbao and San Sebastian.

[patrice]

73. I will make a note.

My daughter, a visual designer, tells me Barcelona is Great too and I hear that Northwestern Spain is very beautiful. She and her husband are going to Cannes this year, but we WILL do this.

[karlrschneider]

67. OMIGOD, that's your best EVER, Swampy!

:rofl:
:D
:toast:
A Bosched Bush!

:rofl:

[knight_of_the_star]

48. I wish I could be there with you

Let them come, they won't like what they get those bastards.

[lonestarnot]

50. Yikes Karlrschneider.

Don't get gassed or beat and be sure to wet your bandanna.

[karlrschneider]

53. Yeah, well, I'll probably wet my jockey shorts.

:D :rofl:

[lonestarnot]

81. Then you better do the nasty naught thing and wear diapers!

:rofl:

[conscious evolution]

51. Take tar and feathers.

Don't resort to the bat.That will just create sympathy for them as well as put the law square on their side.
Tar and feathers on the other hand sends a distinctive message.

[BlooInBloo]

52. What are they? "God hates fags" types?

[karlrschneider]

54. Yep. The very same gang.

...

[BlooInBloo]

56. Oh. Feel free to swing for the fences for me, if you get bored or whatever.

[meldroc]

77. That's EXACTLY them.

Go to their web site if you have a strong stomach - www.godhatesfags.com (Be warned - this website is TRULY VILE!!!)

[Bronyraurus]

57. The inhumanity of these people

never fails to shock me.

[Truthiness Inspector]

58. Those people are disgusting. n/t

[JerseygirlCT]

61. DO NOT engage them! They live for it!

The absolute worst thing you can do to them is ignore them like the odious cockroaches they are.

They hope to attract attention. They need it. They're a pathetic family group, fueled by hate and publicity. Choke off the PR, and they slink away and die.

Ignore them. Please.

[karlrschneider]

62. They may die for it.

...

[JerseygirlCT]

64. Truly, I urge you. Don't. Despite the desire, which I'll be we all share

that's exactly what they're counting on.

They WANT confrontation. If it results in anything even vaguely actionable, they're thrilled. Even if it just gets them in the paper, they consider it a good day's work.

This is seriously just a small family group that calls itself a church. Their only means of support is from the other like-minded nutjobs out there, who've heard of them via press reports. They drag their pathetic little grandkids around to stand there and shout hateful things, hoping, just hoping someone will engage them.

They are real-life trolls. And like internet trolls, the best response is no response at all. Unsatisfying as that is.

I understand; our small church was picketed by them a few years ago. I didn't want to, but I bent to the wisdom of our rector and other church leaders in town. We came to church, went in, and completely ignored them. Didn't even look their way. They left after 5 minutes. No action to be found, time to move on to greener pastures.

Don't engage. Ignore. Starved for attention, they'll die. They feed off the energy of those opposing them.

[karlrschneider]

68. I do truly thank you for your concern. Be assured I know plenty about them.

If you have some time to waste, you can read an article I've kept for a while:

http://home.valornet.com/krs/phelps.doc

:-)

edit: it's just a regular text document I tossed over to my personal webspace.

[rasputin1952]

69. Go for it! We need to clean up the gene pool anyway...

what is the penalty for cruelty to animals anyway?

BTW...use a wooden bat, the aluminum ones are highly touted, but I really have a nostalgic thing going here...

[greatauntoftriplets]

74. What kind of cake do you like????

I could be persuaded to cook a file into a flat cake.

Good luck!

[uppityperson]

75. Who the Bloody Hell are those "protestors"?

Who the hell are these people and what is their point? I don't get this? Seriously? rightwing fundies who are glad that someone got blown up for lies and wtf?

[patrice]

76. The Phelps clan/cult.

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/index.html

They're from Topeka, Ks. They've been around ever since I can remember, at least 20 years.

They say everything bad that is happening to the United States, and most especially how badly the war on Iraq is going, is because we tolerate the GLBT community. They like to picket the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq to spew their bigotry. Some folks in this thread are going to protect the deceased and his family from their hate.

[uppityperson]

89. I went, I looked, they are wayyyyyy beyond anything I can figure out.

[patrice]

101. I think their leader Fred Phelps thinks he is divine. He speaks for "God".

Fred God hates Homosexuals.

And now that I look at the site, I see that Fred God loves Bush's War, because it is a punishment on the U.S. for tolerating Homosexuals.

Another example of the thin line between religious experience, e.g. Jesus Camp, and psychopathology, so I can't explain it either. You'd have to go to the Diagnostics and Statistics Manual, i.e. DSM IV. I think the American Psychological Association publishes it.

[SlowDownFast]

83. They are complete nutjobs

who believe that gawd is punishing America and the world because of homosexuality.

They protest at soldiers' funerals with signs saying "Thank God for another dead soldier" and other fucked up shit like that. They involve their children in their sick ideologies and displays.



The real pathological aspect of it all is that their WHOLE religion is basically centered on homophobia/hatred of gays. That's as deep as it goes.

Fucking creeps.

[uppityperson]

88. That is sick, sick reasoning that I can't quite understand.

patrice #76 says "They say everything bad that is happening to the United States, and most especially how badly the war on Iraq is going, is because we tolerate the GLBT community."

Why be thankful for dead soldiers? Even if they are narrowminded about GLBT, I still don't get this bit. "you will eat your children"? We have a f*ed up society and country because of GLBT acceptance so it is ok for military to die? Thank you for letting me know about another group of people to walk away from if I ever see them.

[Wcross]

78. Let us know how much the bail is........

Those "people" make me sick to my stomach. These servicemen and women went where they were ordered and did their job. To protest while their family is laying them to rest is sickening.

Oh, and the sign that says "God hates fags"??????? Why would God create them if God hated them? Are they not part of his creation?

[patrice]

80. They aren't!! protesting the War.

It isn't about why the Soldiers went to Iraq.

The Phelpses say it is going badly and the Soldiers are dying, because the U.S. tolerates GLBT folk.

I've never head that they give a rat's tail one way nor the other about the war.

[walldude]

79. Careful my friend, they are known to incite people

to violence with their "antics". They have people video taping all their "protests" in case they get "lucky" and get attacked. They love to make themselves out to be victims.

[loyalsister]

82. Nat'l day of hate?

There is a NAZI march happening in my town. The community has planned countermoves to try to avoid giving them what they want.

http://www.columbiatribune.com/2007/Mar/20070308News006.asp

[Jack Rabbit]

84. Ecch, those ghouls.

At Randy Shilts' funeral in San Francisco several years ago, it was sufficient to simply counter demonstrate. Fred Phelps and his people ran home each with his tail between his legs.

[La_Fourmi_Rouge]

85. We'll keep a candle burning for you, Karl.

My all-time favorite and most-admired political action groupe is known in Lyon as "The Militant Anti-Fascist League". Whenever the skinheads have a demonstration, strutting around shouting hate speech, the League descends upon them (literally "descends" from les Pentes de la Croix Rousse) carrying sticks and stones. They then proceed to knock heads until the very capable Lyonaisse flic show up and toss everyone in the slammer.

The Militant Anti-Fascist League NEVER allows the demonstration to go on. They STOP it!

[roamer65]

86. Just show up in a Winnebago with a sign saying "Sodomobile" ...

and "Buggery on Board" on it. Phelps will vacate immediately, just like he did when Michael Moore showed up with his "Sodomobile".

[NMMNG]

90. Best wishes

Those mo-fos are batshit insane but crafty as hell. Take care.

[Warren DeMontague]

91. Say what you will about Fred Phelps, he's a "Uniter, not a Divider"...

Everybody hates that POS.

[robinlynne]

92. deleted

[mmonk]

94. I'm not going to advocate attacking the Westboro nut cases.

Then again, I'm not going to protest taking them on either. I believe people should reep what they sow.

[JNelson6563]

95. Get Landover Baptist to go talk to them

Betty Bowers will straighten their asses out. ;-)

[RebelOne]

96. The only time I ever agreed with Sean Hannity

was when he interviewed one of this clan and he called her a nut job.

[frogcycle]

97. I joined in with the Patriot Guards in their honor guard

at a funeral near my house. They have extra flags; just approach them and ask if you can join.

In my case not protesters showed, but regardless, its a good way to keep yourself under control. My wife didn't want me to go - said I'd be sure to be arrested.

The PG are very disciplined; they are experienced at providing "cover" for the families and not making things worse. They are welcomed by police and public. You can contribute to a counter-demonstration with a peer group both for support and to guide you in self-control.

Check their website, get the mission leader's contact info.

[frogcycle]

98. here's the link

looks like the article you linked to has the name wrong

http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/440233/view/topic/Default.aspx

here's the PGR's homepage:

http://www.patriotguard.org/


Be aware that a LOT of the PGR members tend to be conservative-leaning types. I had an interesting chat with a guy I was standing next to in the flag line. He was reciting how terrible it was that Kerry and Murtha had accused any troops of ever doing anything wrong "in a time of war", etc. He had detected my political leanings pretty quickly as well.

I didn't try to argue that, just, without saying it in so many words, established a "common ground" that we agreed on and he agreed to a "truce". I was actually pretty proud of my peacekeeping skills. I just said something to the effect that regardless of what you believe about whether we should be there, the issue at the moment was this kid and his family and we both wanted to show them respect.

When he left, he shook my hand, said something about hoping he had not "bent my ear" too much.

I would like to see more DU-ers get involved in this. As they say, keep the "enemy" close. We stand a much better chance of "winning the hearts and minds" of a few more of the RW base by showing them we are decent people than by letting them continue to imagine we are all wild-eyed lunatics spitting on the troops.

[WilliamPitt]

102. DUer PaganPreacher is a Patriot Rider

You should reach out to see if he'll be there.

[DinahMoeHum]

104. Patriot Guard Riders: "MISSION CONFIRMED". Here's the direct link

with all the details (where to meet, when, etc.)

http://www.patriotguard.org/Forums/tabid/61/postid/440233/view/topic/Default.aspx

Karl, please do us all a favor. Leave anything that can be construed as a "weapon" at home.
The PGR is a well-disciplined bunch and they know their stuff. Stick with them and you'll sleep in your own bed at home afterwards.

:patriot:

[IronLionZion]

105. Go with goodness in your heart, but be prepared for the worst

just in case it gets violent. I'm pretty sure God hates haters, so I think God hates Fred Phelps.