Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Time article: Cheney ran the whole show, Bush was just a puppet figurehead

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
Herman Munster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 07:55 PM
Original message
Time article: Cheney ran the whole show, Bush was just a puppet figurehead
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1597226,00.html

And what a time it was. Back in the days of Bush's first term, aides to Cheney loved to regale journalists with tidbits about the scope of the Vice President's influence and the intensity of his commitment to protecting the U.S. from a terrorist attack. He was so driven and hands-on, the aides would say, that he and Libby would routinely ask to see raw intelligence rather than the processed analysis put together by the cia and other agencies. "He's a voracious consumer of intelligence," said an admiring aide to the Vice President. "Sometimes he asks for raw intelligence to make his own judgment. He wants it all."

He may have come across as deferential to the President in public, but friends and advisers in the fall of 2002 described Cheney as nothing less than the engine of the Administration. "There's no way in which he is not driving the train on this," said one, referring to Cheney's role in pushing Bush and the Administration inexorably toward an invasion of Iraq. "Analysis, advocacy — it's all done by Cheney or his prot�g�s or his former mentor . It's about context. It's reflective not so much of Cheney's direct influence on the President as it is of his influence on — his dominance of — the decision-making process. It's about providing the facts and analysis to the decision maker that the decision maker needs. Bush is making the decision, but the Veep is directing the process toward the decision that he thinks is the right one." In other words, Cheney had so rigged the process that important decisions were foregone conclusions, ones that had been reached by the Vice President well in advance.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 07:57 PM
Response to Original message
1. What a surprise!
...I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
2. In other news, the Pope is Catholic...
;) (Not snarking you here, Herman Munster. Thanks for posting this...good to know Time magazine has finally figured out how this administration works. :P ) Peace.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 07:58 PM
Response to Original message
3. And maybe, just maybe, this Libby trial opened the psycho's eyes. Maybe NOW he sees he's not REALLY
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 07:59 PM by in_cog_ni_to
the one in charge? It could happen.:) Maybe, just maybe, the psycho will be so pissed off about the Libby crap that HE WON'T PARDON HIM. It could happen.:)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #3
11. Don't you think he started realizing it a while back and it's the
reason he puts his foot down about other things than involve revenge for disloyalty - to him or perceived disloyalty TO HIM? I think maybe he suffers Cheney on the big stuff, but demands his way and his way is the revenge way.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:57 PM
Response to Reply #3
20. pissed off how about 'the libby crap'?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
4. In other news...
Sun determined to most likely rise in east and set in west

Vatican observers describe Pope as "probably Catholic"

Evidence suggests bears defecate in woods -- Environmental Experts

:eyes:

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
5. So, TIME, tell us something we don't already know
What I really can't understand is how anyone could think that some boob with an IQ smaller than his waist size could actually be allowed to control the reins of government.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NJCher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:01 PM
Response to Original message
6. American news media, what a joke
I'd be embarrassed to print a story like that.



Cher
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:02 PM
Response to Original message
7. The Chimp-In- Chief...
...put before the public to do his chimp dance and read the blue cards...oblivious and unquestioning.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:03 PM
Response to Original message
8. we've all known this for years
still, it's a good thing to see it in a mag like "Time", which is kind of right wing. If Time is saying this, the wheels are really coming off...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
conscious evolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #8
13. I absolutely agree
Many people of all stripes see Time as a trustworthy news source.(I know.I know.Remember,most Americans are not nearly as up to date as we DUer's are on what is going on.)Time saying this could be just the thing to get the undecideds and maybe even a significant number of average joe republicans to see bushco and cheney for what they really are.
The fact that Time may lean to the right on issues gives them more creedance than many other publications would get.

This is a good thing.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:06 PM
Response to Original message
9. Finally, taking the mask off POTUS 'Bush' revealing dark-hearted Cheney.
This is good, I think. George comes off as such a sincere and caring guy (which, hell, he's so ignorant,...he may very well be,...but that doesn't excuse his abject failure as a potus). Revealing the greed/power-mongering Cheney as the one who's actually controlled all U.S. policy gives the American people, regardless of political party, a window towards both truth and unification against what's happening, here.

Does that make sense?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
IChing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:08 PM
Response to Original message
10. Photo here!!!!!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
12. I see so it's ALL Cheney's fault....right.....
Folks this is a set-up. The country is being set up so that when Cheney steps down, EVERYTHING will be blamed on him. Bush was just the puppet, he didn't mean any harm.

Don't buy what they are selling.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #12
14. Bush won't get off the hook. He was complicit in lying us into
Edited on Thu Mar-08-07 08:23 PM by Texas Explorer
a war that has killed possibly up to a 1/4 million US soldiers and Iraqi citizens. So is Powell and the rest of the neocons and PNACers.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. I'm with you there...part way...
I'm also glad to see the information coming to light in the "mainstream."

I'm not quite sure how many in the U.S. will respond to a (p)Resident who is unable to steer his own ship. Some of the jurors in the libby trial said they felt that he was just the fall guy. I wonder if Americans would do the same with regard to cheney?

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:27 PM
Response to Original message
15. "Just because I am a Connecticut preppy cheerleader deserter, does not mean
you can be mean and pick on me. So stop saying mean things."

- Commander AWOL
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
16. But the chimp has "POTUS" embroidered on all his clothes!
He must be the one in charge!



Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:30 PM
Response to Original message
17. "He didn't want a Vice President who preened before the cameras."
Take careful note of this understatement. Junior is a pathological narcissist. He shares the 'stage' with NOBODY. It's gotta be about HIM. Whenever you see Sneer and Smirk together, it's like Edgar Bergen and Mortimer Snerd - and Edgar is far less eye-catching. A good ventriloquist knows how to direct attention to the puppet. A good narcissistic enabler does NOT attract attention when the psychopath is around. For anyone speculating about any likely replacement for Cheney, this is absolutely critical.

(Cue the picture of McCain hugging Our Leader.)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #17
18. They may not be so interested in coddling * now, they may be more interested
in positioning the heir apparent. In which case, pnacchio's ego is about to bruised. If they put up McCain then Jeb'll be the VP.
I am still watching Hagel.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 08:56 PM
Response to Reply #18
19. Jeb has plenty of experience enabling Smirk.
He'd be an interesting choice to succeed Cheney. I doubt Rice would get the nod.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
24. If they go so far as to install Jeb then for sure we folks better find a way to leave the country
because such a power play would mean THE END. I can't imagine them being that bold...but then they get away with everything. McCain is more Bushies style. A fawning sychophant who will not make the Chimp look bad... But, who knows.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
suziedemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #17
25. Exactly!!! Bring in McCain so he's primed for 2008.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but I don't take anything at face value anymore.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lutefisk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:00 PM
Response to Original message
21. There is only room for one "Dick-tator" in this Regime!
And it isn't Junior.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:02 PM
Response to Original message
23. Ah...poor little Chimp ...taken advantage of by Poppy's Big Dick...and we all knew it but
Time and Poppy's team are doing their best to pull the little chimp out of harms way.

Kind of sad...but it's hard to have sympathy for this given the death and destruction his son has caused and how he manipulated two elections to serve the Bush Empire and Crime Family.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:18 PM
Response to Reply #23
26. Cheney, the new Fall Guy.
Yeah, Busholini is just a nice guy, like Libby, who was bullied into committing crimes by that evil VP. Sure, Darth and Rumsfailed are evil Sociopaths but Busholini is a willing puppet to them.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:02 AM
Response to Original message
27. This is good and bad
It's good that Time is finally waking up to what's going on and letting the people know. It's bad because that makes it easy for the administration to do a cleanup job, just eject Sneer and they can say, "See we fixed it!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:08 PM
Response to Original message
28. Covering for Shrub...
and Rover? Stay tuned
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Dec 26th 2024, 10:51 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC