Libby- a nice guy

[wilt the stilt]

what bull. Do you think anyone in this group of scumbags is a nice guy?

[az chela]

1. He is as evil as bush and cheney

[Kelly Rupert]

2. I'm sure Libby is charming.

Many sociopaths are.

[Canuckistanian]

3. Jeffrey Dahmer - a nice guy

Quiet, reserved, wouldn't hurt a flea. I'm sure that's what his neighbors reported.

[City Lights]

15. John Wayne Gacy, too. I mean, he was a birthday clown for kids!

What's not to like?

:eyes:

[Canuckistanian]

16. Like I said

See post #10

[City Lights]

17. I see now.

:hi:

[Canuckistanian]

23. ...

:hi: Back atcha!

[Contrite]

4. Nor is he a "scapegoat".

He is a willing accomplice in high crimes worthy of the rope.

[Kelly Rupert]

9. He *is* a scapegoat.

He lied to protect his boss and his own career. That is an incredibly minor crime in the scheme of things. Despite having no role in the leak, he ended up being the only one to face the consequences, Cheney and Rove escaped the axe. If Libby isn't a scapegoat, I don't know who is.

He's a guilty, evil bastard, yeah. He deserves his sentence. But his sentence ought to have been a footnote in the papers rather than the only headline of note.

[Contrite]

12. He is a willing accomplice. Scapegoating implies innocence.

He was not innocent of what he was involved in. He knew the possible consequences. He was no victim of others' mistakes. He was a victim of his own mistakes.

[karlrschneider]

13. No, he's the "fall guy". A scapegoat is an innocent who gets screwn for something

done by somebody else. Scooter isn't innocent, he just drank the hemlock to protect Cheney who was the real
criminal.

[Contrite]

24. From wiki

"A fall guy is a person used as a scapegoat to take the blame for someone else's actions, or someone at the butt of jokes. One placed in the position of fall guy is often referred to as "taking the fall". In the film industry, a fall guy is a form of stock character.

Origin

The word's origin dates back to the 1920s, during the administration of U.S. President Warren G. Harding (1921 - 1923). The term is allegedly named for Albert B. Fall, a U.S. Senator from New Mexico who served as Secretary of the Interior during Harding's years in office and became notorious for his involvement in the infamous Teapot Dome Scandal."

Since Scooter knew that Cheney leaked Plame's ID, then how could he be the "Fall guy"? He wasn't innocent, so how could he be used? He knew what he was doing and he knew the possible consequences. He was Marc Rich's lawyer, for Pete's sake. I doubt he thought he would be taking the fall or be scapegoated for anything. He knew he would stand in Cheney's place, if things got back to Vice. Vice gave him no choice, either. He did as he was told, as part of his job, and took his chances at getting caught in this web of lies.

I will agree with the Fall guy characterization based on this: It is often joked among historians that Fall was "so crooked they had to screw him into the ground" upon his death.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

5. Didn't people say that Jeffrey Dahmer acted like a wonderful guy, the salt of the earth?

I seem to recall hearing people interviewed after Dahmer was arrested, saying how shocked they were to find out he was capable to killing and eating body parts of his victims, considering that he acted like "such a nice guy".

Even "nice guys" can have lapses and break the law and should be accorded no favors. Whether someone is a "nice guy" or not should not matter. And isn't it interesting that jurors felt Libby was a "nice guy" based only on his recorded Grand Jury testimony? Didn't they ask themselves why he didn't choose to impress them with how nice a guy he was by taking the stand in his own trial and telling his own side of the story?

[Canuckistanian]

10. And look at John Wayne Gacy, pillar of the community

Nobody had anything bad to say about him - until the police searched his crawl space.

[emulatorloo]

6. Tweety last nite -- "Scooter, if you are such a nice guy, why were you coming after me? "

This was after Juror 10 said Scooter "seemed nice"

Tweety got a wicked look on his face and said


MATTHEWS: Scooter, if you are such a nice guy, why were you coming after me? That is what I want to know?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17517888/


Basically Ted Wells worked his magic on the jury. However, they still thought he was GUILTY>

[City Lights]

19. A nice guy with a cowboy hat!

MATTHEWS: (INAUDIBLE) you, did you feel affection for him?

REDINGTON: Sure. Yes. I mean, he looked like a really nice guy.

You know, Judith Miller told this story about him in Wyoming and his cowboy hat. And I have lived out West, and just—you know, I can picture it so perfectly and Scooter at the rodeo and I—you know, he.

:eyes:

[emulatorloo]

22. If Libby had actually testified, I bet the illusion of "niceness" would have vanished n/t

[Monkeyman]

7. So we have all ways been told nice guys finish last

[cassiepriam]

8. He thought nothing about putting a woman with small children in harm's way.

Or ruining her career. She was an employee of the US govt doing her job.

And he cared nothing about the other CIA agents he placed in danger who may have been killed.

I as a taxpayer pay his salary, he is supposed to be helping the govt function better, not destroying it.

They are all sociopaths. And should have been given the maximum sentence for treason.

[Dr Fate]

11. And Hitler loved dogs & children. n/t

n/t

[rasputin1952]

14. Some people said that Bundy was a nice guy too....

sociopaths can come off that way sometimes.

[dflprincess]

21. And there were also those who thought Bundy would go far in

Republican party politics in Washington state. I'm sure if he hadn't been caught, he would have.

[xkenx]

18. All that sympathy for Libby. Here's my sympathy: Boo fuckin' hoo!

He's no better than the rest of that treasonous crew who outed Valerie Plame.

[Generator]

20. Yeah but what about that bestiality in that book he wrote

Ah yes, I know the media is on to that outrage. NOT. Where the hell is O'Reilly on this? Don't answer. (actually those are just words, freedom of speech!-sending people to their death based on lies is a wee bit worse)

Edit to give you a link:

AW if only the conservative women of America were concerned.

http://www.boingboing.net/2005/11/01/scooter_libbys_novel.html

Some disgusting stuff there.