‘Mrs. Grumpy Lady’ hits student with viola bow

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BOULDER – A substitute teacher at Creekside Elementary School was arrested for allegedly hitting a 5th grade student in the head with a viola bow and swearing in front of her class.


Carla Shinners, 63, turned herself into the police on Tuesday.

According to the police report, Shinners was substituting for a music class when her phone rang. She answered it using curse words in front of the class.

She also told the kids to shut up and called her students the worse players she has ever heard.

The report continued to say Shinners hit a 10-year-old student in the back of the head while instructing her how to properly hold a viola bow. Shinners later returned to the student and grabbed the students bow again. The student said she felt Shinners pull her hair using the bow.

http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=66046

[Bonobo]

1. MrsGrumpy did that!?

[merh]

2. Damn, kids are fragile these days.

They never would have made it at the Catholic elementary school I attended. Sounds like the all the Sisters of Mercy convenant over our school would face jail time if they were teaching today.

:shrug:

[tonkatoy57]

4. And the problem is?

This woman is obviously a professional violist, albeit an old grumpy frustrated violinist sitting in the back of the section.

The lesson here is never to have professional performers involved in music education. It's a dangerous mix trying to maintain professional standards in the midst of students who don't practice and don't know which end of the viola to hold.

I guess my old youth orchestra conductor who threw a copy of the score to Brahm's Symphony #3 at me during rehearsal and called me a, "fucking, no talent idiot" wouldn't last too long at this school.

In all seriousness, Ms. Grumpy should get a grip. There are more subtle ways to demoralize young students.

[Buzz Clik]

14. LOL! True, true.

A real educator knows how to take the life out of a student without physical contact or verbal diatribes.

[peacefreak]

5. You're a Sisters of Mercy vet, too?

I had one ruler smack my hand first day of school (holy shit, about 50 years ago!).

[dkofos]

11. Not me. I was too fast for them!

[Matariki]

23. and those nuns probably SHOULD face jail time.

I've heard HORRIBLE stories from people who attended catholic school - incredibly sadistic stuff. I've seen people whose adult lives were very messed up by a bunch of sadistic nuns. Hell yeah they should be held accountable and kept VERY far away from children.

Talk about 'blame the victim. The problem has NOTHING to do with 'kids these days' being fragile. The fault lies entirely with those wretched, sexually frustrated sadists.

[ScreamingMeemie]

29. Heck, public school lunchroom moms can be just as sadistic,

albeit in far less obvious ways. I hate the lunchroom moms at my son's school.

[Zuiderelle]

24. Whoa, are you saying she was justified in hitting the child with a bow?

I was hit with paddles by teachers growing up and it still wouldn't make me say that any adult is justified in hitting a child.

Those Sisters of yours SHOULD face jail time if they do the same shit now.

:grr:

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

27. And as well they should.

But those were ancient times were utterly evil things were accepted and commonplace, child beating being just one of them.

[dogday]

3. Looks like Grumpy Old Men has some competition.....

[JNelson6563]

6. A ten year old? Geez!

My daughter is a senior in high school and first chair in her orchestra. She complains a lot about how mean and nasty her teacher is. The teacher doesn't give her all that much crap so often my daughter is complaining on behalf of others and how the teacher's nastiness discourages them. Lots of kids drop out and abandon their instruments. I should think this is not the goal of edcuators.

I often wonder why people who hate kids and/or have no aptitude for teaching go into teaching. Is it cause they are so miserable they want company?

Julie

[Javaman]

20. Maybe they are just carrying the baton that was passed to them

from other crappy teachers that made their lives miserable? :shrug:

[dkofos]

7. Had she done that to me, she would have found that bow in an oriface

it was not meant to be in.

I fight back!!

[no_hypocrisy]

8. I don't know, she reminds of several band teachers in public school

I encountered in the 60's, 70's, and 80's. They didn't necessarily like their jobs, didn't really like the kids, and stopped hearing the fascinating aspects of music a long time prior. They were downright cantankerous and curmudgeons generally. (I've always maintained that Mr. Holland was pure fiction!)

[KansDem]

9. C clef will do that to you!

I've always found treble and bass clef musicians to be much more stable than those who have to read C clef!

:sarcasm:

[verse18]

10. My 8th grade band teacher would explode at the drop of a hat.

He would start screaming at us and turn bright, beet red (this was very funny when I was 14). He threw his baton and hit a student. He also threw a music stand, but that didn't hit anybody. I always felt sorry for the flutist because they were right in front of him.

[jedicord]

17. My junior high band director threw chairs.

And I was a flautist. Ouch!

[Ron Green]

12. My experience in bands and orchestras has been that to the extent the conductor shows

a full range from terror to loving embrace, the group developed and played better.

That said, this woman should not have lost it as she did. As a substitute teacher (and probably an experienced musician) she surely wasn't ready for the lack of attention and care in a modern school situation.

[TygrBright]

13. tsk-tsk.... A viola bow is a delicate and expensive piece of equipment!

I hope she is disciplined for her recklessness. Why, she could have damaged it!

ironically,
Bright

[Buzz Clik]

16. Good point. Skulls are self-healing, viola bows are not.

[Karenina]

32. Miss Harper rarely yelled

but she could decimate with her withering stare. She also occasionally threw batons. She produced a MOST SUCCESSFUL group of musicians. She taught us discipline, how to care for our instruments and nurtured our love of music. We KNEW not to cross her.

And you're right about viola bows! ;-)

[kineneb]

25. difference between violin and viola (humor)

What's the difference between a violin and a viola?
1. The viola burns longer.
2. The viola holds more beer.
3. You can tune the violin.

Yes, friends, there is a website devoted to viola jokes...
http://www.mit.edu/~jcb/jokes/viola.html

At least she didn't use a cello bow...they are heavier.

kineneb-former(?) violist :silly:

Seriously, sounds like she did not belong in the classroom.

[leftyclimber]

30. And the difference between a viola and an onion?

Nobody cries when you chop up a viola.

-lefty, former 2nd violinist (alternately, almost-violist ;) )

Teacher was out of line. Regardless of the many brilliant, bizarrely behaving music teachers I've ever had, none of 'em ever laid a finger on me. Scared the bejeepers out of me, maybe, but never laid a finger (or bow) on me.

[theHandpuppet]

15. Shoot, my piano teacher would whack the backs of my hands with a stick...

... for a poor performance. Those kids sound like marshmallows.

[Zuiderelle]

26. And would you want some random stranger to be allowed to hit your own kids?

I'm appalled that anyone thinks that just because they were abused by teachers when they were kids, somehow that makes it ok for kids to still be abused. Maybe instead we should expect ourselves to evolve.

[Strawman]

18. "The Substitute 3." I can see it now...

Playground becomes battleground as DEA agent Carla Shinners (aka "The Bow") goes under deep cover as a 63 year old music teacher to take out a drug kingpin in cahoots with an elementary school principal. R, Adult Language, Graphic Viola Violence,

[Javaman]

19. Man, that had to be one pisser of a class LOL

I would have loved to been there for that one.

"shut up you little bastards, I'm trying to talk on the phone!!! (into phone) now what the fuck do you want now???"

"you there in the front row, yeah you, four-eyes, are you asleep? are you some sort of narcoleptic violin player? have you learned to play in your sleep??? I think you need one upside the head!!! and for the rest of you little fuckers, you better get cracking and belt out a version of "jimmy crack corn" that will bring fucking tears to my goddamn eyes!!!"

[Kerrytravelers]

21. As a professional educator, I want to scream "No! No!"

And as a professional educator, I secretly wish I could have been a fly on that wall!

[Cerridwen]

22. Grumpy hell - that's an abusive personality if I've ever read one

Using my own 'psychobabble' degree for basis. *snork* at myself.

That lady has some serious rage and anger issues. I wouldn't let her near me or my dogs, much less a classroom of children she might be inclined to view as "potential victims". This is the same lady that rams you with her grocery cart at the local food mart then gets in your fact 'cuz you said "ouch!"

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. I once knew a music teacher...

that flew into a fit of rage and threw his guitar pick at his desk. Unfortunatley for him, the pick ricocheted, struck a student in the forehead, and caused a minor laceration.

[Pastiche423]

31. Do you actually think you are funny?

Do you think by demeaning (any issue on DU) that it helps?

Just wonderin'...