Rove: Next President will embrace 'Bush Doctrine'

[Roland99]

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/Rove_Next_President_will_embrace_Bush_0309.html

Karl Rove predicted in a Washington Post article today that future Presidents of the United States will embrace President George W. Bush's doctrine of 'preemptive war.' The statement came when the top White House adviser was asked what the 43rd president's legacy would be.

Michael Abramowitz reported today on the various activities Karl Rove has engaged in to promote the president's legacy. Although he has said there is an attitude of "Why worry about it?" in the White House, Abramowitz points to Rove's efforts "to put his own distinctive spin on current events and the longer historical view."

...

The so-called Bush Doctrine of preemptive war, Rove said, "has a logic of force and nature and reality that will cause people to examine it, adjust it, test it, resist it -- but ultimately embrace it."

Rove pointed to the legacies that presidents pick up from the institutions designed by their predecessors in a recent event in Arkansas to offer more evidence for his claim. Reflecting on his remarks for Abramowitz, he described the process as inevitable.

:wow:

Yeah, America is going to embrace being an aggressor nation in the name of capitalism....er....democracy.

Well, it might as long as Repukes retain power in the White House.

[ClassWarrior]

1. The next President will be a criminal?

NGU.

[deutsey]

27. Bush is the first in line of Emperor Criminals

ruling over the Pox (sic) Americana.

All Hail Bush.

:evilfrown:

[Cha]

64. rove is looking to

controlling the voting machines again.

[mod mom]

2. Does this mean Rove is planning another ELECTION THEFT?

[Junkdrawer]

4. Ya Think?

Watch for a Stealth Candidate like Hagel who is connected to the vote stealing machine, promotes himself as anti-war, then comes in and continues the neo-con agenda.

Remember: Bush touted himself as a "Compassionate Conservative."

[mod mom]

44. Yep, I agree Hagel and a DINO (Obviously not LIEberman, but I wouldn't

be surprised to find a DLCer join forces on the "Unity" Party that Hagel spoke of. It's power over principle with these folks. That is exactly why we need to push for verifiable and fair voting before another theft.

[Drifter]

3. Yeah ... kind of like ...

his prediction for the November elections.

This is just more proof that he is seriously (to quote our favorite WH gay prostitute) divorced from reality.
He will be lucky to finish his term.

Cheers
Drifter

[radfringe]

5. suggest

people ask the crop of candidates (repubs and Dems) if they plan on adopting the bush doctrine

if they say yes, ask them to explain how they will manipulate, mislead and lie to invade a country

[dogday]

6. Impeachment for two?

Anyone who follows that nut-case's Doctrine deserves no less than impeachment....

[rasputin1952]

7. Good Lord, this sounds like came right out of Mein Kampf...

The so-called Bush Doctrine of preemptive war, Rove said, "has a logic of force and nature and reality that will cause people to examine it, adjust it, test it, resist it -- but ultimately embrace it."



These people haven't a clue about Americans, all they've done is try to scare them to death, and that quote scares me close to death if this jerk thinks this is anywhere near true...:scared:

For God's sake, he's trying to make this a religion!

[glitch]

21. What makes you think it didn't? Come on, it's Rove! Of course it did. nt

[AndyA]

8. WAR: The Republican corporate welfare system.

To hell with the American people, they can rot and die for all the GOP cares.

It's American big business that the Republicans are interested in helping.

[Roland99]

10. Like the latest Forbes magazine shows: $3.5 trillion in wealth is held by only 946 people.

:wow:

[theoldman]

9. Even if John McCain becomes president he will be restrained by

the house and senate.

[Roland99]

12. What if the House and Senate turn Blood Red?

[Kerrytravelers]

11. Yeah, because this Iraq thing is working out so well...

:eyes:

[Tin Man]

26. LOL... the "Bush Doctrine" has been a smashing success, hasn't it ?

W will go down in history alright, but not for the "success" of the Bush Doctrine.

[TahitiNut]

13. "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely." (Acton)

This is why it's imperative to impeach and remove ... and repudiate this abysmal corruption.

[SteveM]

14. He may be right. That was the GOP plan all along: legacy.

This is why he isn't worried about legacy: it's already welded and tempered into the foreign policy mindset of so many people. We will have war for another 30-40 years, if Ted Koppel is right (this a.m. on PBS). Only it will involve the military "20%" of the time instead of "60%" as it is now. Some wag a few years back had it right: the GOP has given us PermaWAR (trademark?).

Note this: PermaWAR is structured around the "Patriot Acts" which have permanently weakened the Bill of Rights. And where do the Patriot Acts come from? Maybe someone out there can help out -- who was the Bushite who said: "I don't know why some are upset about the Patriot Act. We've been doing the same thing for years in the War on Drugs." Ahh, yes another topic mainmedia doesn't like to deal with except if it comes down from the ONDCP/DEA. Here's the formula, folks: PermaWAR abroad; authoritarianism at home. Baby, that's legacy.

[tridim]

15. The * Doctrine of preemptive war "has a logic of force and nature and reality"

Can someone explain to me what that fascist fuck means by that? Logic of force?

Sounds to me like Rove is sharing Rush's stash.

[TwilightGardener]

17. Remember, neocons create their OWN reality--he makes perfect

sense in his own mind.

[Tin Man]

28. It's nonsensical babble.

That's about all I can make of it. However, it probably makes perfect sense to Bush.

[kenny blankenship]

32. I think it means if a madman unleashes a global war with practically indescribable goals

you're going to have a global war--and other madmen running it--for some time to come.

[PerfectSage]

55. * Doctrine means that America has a big alpha male superpower penis...

...and all the beta male countries of the world have to submit, or else their territory will be invaded.

Or maybe it's just self righteous, law of the jungle/strong prey on the weak bullshit.

[mod mom]

66. lol-awol cheerleader bu$h a big alpha male. All (gibberish) talk and no game.

[PerfectSage]

67. Yeah that sums up Bush. All bullshit, no game.

So clueless of human nature, if he was the only guy in a bar full of drunken, horny women, he still wouldn't get laid. :rofl: lol

[tinfoilinfor2005]

16. "From Camelot to the Fourth Reich, From the Moon to the Mud:

The true story of the Bush legacy."

Being written as we speak.

[Virginia Dare]

18. Is this the same Karl Rove that...

predicted a Republican sweep of the last election? :rofl:

Turdblossom ain't all that, and never was. The "boy genius" mystique only lives on in the hardcore Bushbot delusional circles.

[sinkingfeeling]

19. Over my dead body!

[roguevalley]

20. bush will be repudiated by history like Hitler. Rove is delusional

as well as evil.

[Marr]

22. Yeah, whatever. He said he had "THE numbers" on the last election, too.

He's yesterday's news. This little piggy is crying "wee wee wee" all the way home.

[mtnHov]

23. straight jackets and padded walls needed for those wingnuts

[underpants]

24. Um ever heard of 9/11?

I'm not on the LIHOP or MIHOP wagon either. In 10 years we will have looked back and asked the question that the special White House approved "can't find blame" bipartisan committee never even broached which is "How the hell did that happen ?"

Folye broke the day that Woodruff's claims were about to get the full treatment. Before that the media declared 9/11 Bush's greatest day (odd) but as we get further and further away we will look back and Bush legacy builders will be screaming and crying to turn the conversation over to the disasterous war on Iraq anything ANYTHING to get the heat off of him for 9/11.

"On his watch" is going to be the one that everyone will remember.

[dubyaD40web]

25. If that happens....

then the next President will embrace Bush's poll numbers.

[NashVegas]

29. This Needs to Be On T-Shirts, Bumper Stickers, EVERYWHERE!

Between August - November 2008.

Stick these words to the Republican candidate like glue.

[kenny blankenship]

30. Don't suppose imperialism is just for Republicans...

The United States is a global empire--not has an empire--it is an empire. I mean it can no longer be thought of separate from its empire. For the imperialists borders no longer exist: that's what GATT, NAFTA, CAFTA, WIPO etc are about, and that's also what Operation Iraqi Free-Drums was about. For you the ruled, borders most certainly still exist. To dollars and bombs however, borders are transparent.

We used to be a "cool" empire, rather than a hot empire. In a way similar to difference between cold war and hot war, we ruled coolly, more by the intimidation of "projecting power" and "securing favorable terms" than by outright displays of mass murder and exacting tribute in direct payments from the survivors, the way hot empires once did.
In acting so aggressively towards Iraq, though, Bush has made the cool empire hot. It is hot all over and it's going to stay hot even after we leave Iraq.
It's one thing to oppose aggressive "hot" imperialism and preemptive war when the empire is cool and a new conquest is proposed, but quite another thing to oppose preemptive war when the empire is on fire inside and out.

The most terrible thing about Bush's view of the world is that, like Hitler's view of the world as united in conspiracy against Germany, or like the self-starting General Ripper in Dr. Strangelove, it may prove to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. I think Bush has started a war that no one can stop, no matter how much we regret his acts and no matter how seriously unhinged we think he was to do it. Bush may have committed us to an arc of world history we can't climb back from no matter how mistaken we think he was. Empires engender hatred and resistance whether they're hot empires or cool: we have struck a match in the gas station of the world igniting that resistance. The world's temper is flaring at us now--to whom can we apologize? How do you say uh yes we've been stepping on your neck, but we'd like to stop now because it's clear we've stomped a bit too hard. We're awfully sorry can we just go back to the way it was before? Who takes an apology like that even if you're willing to give it?

I will always be on the side of the peaceniks, as I was before all this Bushlerian madness began, but I expect that just as it was Bill Clinton who signed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and made "regime change" in Baghdad the official US policy, the Democratic Party will find itself wedded to a military-first foreign policy after 2008 and after a brief fling with anti-imperialism.

[JerseygirlCT]

31. Does this read like "the fix is already in for 2008" to anyone else? nt

[The Count]

33. Why call it Bush doctrine and not Hitler doctrine? Looky at this nice quote:

"I give a propaganda reason for starting the war. Never mind whether it is plausible or not. The
victor will not be asked afterward whether he told the truth or not. In starting and waging war it
is not right that matters, but victory."

Adolph Hitler

[guruoo]

34. Sounds familar...

"The aide said that guys like me were 'in what we call the reality-based community,'
which he defined as people who 'believe that solutions emerge from your judicious
study of discernible reality.' " The aide told Mr. Suskind, "That's not the way the
world really works anymore. We're an empire now, and when we act we create our own reality.
And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again,
creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out.
We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''"

http://http//www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html

[bunny planet]

35. Gotta wonder what these people are planning that would make anyone want

to 'embrace' any policy of the Pretzel Emperor. More like forced to embrace it because the whole world at that point will be planning to attack us due to Jr.'s criminal doctrine.

[Czolgosz]

36. When Rover refers to "the next president" he's speaking of Romney. Rove spent his career building

fundamentalist-corporatist-neocon coalition. Rove's coalition of one-issue-voters demands unity because their success at achieving better unity than we achieve is the key factor (along with a little help from election riggers) which allows them to succeed despite the fact that they hold minority views. Guiliani threatens that unity (Southern fundamentalists won't get on board). McCain threatens that unity (neither the fundamentalists nor the corporatist-neocons trust him and Rove thinks McCain is too old).

The corporatist-neocons love Romney and so Rove is betting that the fundamentalists will eventually become comfortable with Romney as a "Christian" notwithstanding the skepticism that Romney's Mormon faith is considered a "cult" by many fundamentalist Christians because they will have no choice given that they distrust Guiliani and McCain more than they distrust Mormonism (Rove is hoping that neither Huckabee nor Brownback catches fire with the fundamentalists - watch FauxNoise spin the "unelectability" of these two candidates in the coming months).

What if Rove is wrong and Romney wins the nomination but then loses? That sets up Jeb '12.

The Bush family and their consigliere Rove are working full tilt to position Romney as the inevitable Repub nominee. Count on it happening.

[grace0418]

37. There won't be any future presidents if KKKarl has anything to say about it.

Either we'll have an emperor for life or we'll get the whole damn planet blown up if KKKarl gets his way.

Luckily, I don't think the slimy pig will be getting his way much longer.

[dave29]

38. these are not the droids you are looking for

lol

[fooj]

39. Why does this rat bastard still have a security clearance?

Why are WE, THE PEOPLE, STILL PAYING HIS SALARY? I want his ASS OUT! Now!

[bonito]

40. He also predicted republicans gaining seats in 06

It's his way of trying to project his wanted reality.
Roves m.o.

[spanone]

41. Sure Karl, this has been such a spectacular success! Why Not?

Pretty cocky from a shit who should be in jail.

[pat_k]

42. "Clearing, Holding, and Building" their way to a Unitary Authoritarian Executive.

This is not about the covert actions of one administration.

Bush and Cheney are "clearing, holding, and building" their way to a unitary authoritarian executive with unlimited power.

They are playing for keeps, which is WHY they are breaking the Constitution in plain sight.

They do something we have forbidden, claim it is not forbidden, and dare Members of Congress to stop them. When Congress refuses to impeach -- the ONLY thing capable of stopping them -- Bush and Cheney "hold and build": **Hey America, told you it wasn't forbidden. Now, let us get on with clearing habeas (or whatever takes our fancy) out of our way.**

Members of Congress who are refusing to publicly accuse them and demand impeachment are in full retreat. The ONLY way to challenge them is to stand their ground and point the ONLY loaded weapo in the Congressional arsenal-- impeachment -- at them.

Impeachment is not about "getting" Bush and Cheney. It is about defending our against an invaders hell-bent on occupying our "territory" (the inviolate dictates and institutions we have established in our common contract -- the Constitution of the United States. They seek to destroy the framework through which we assign duties and delegate powers to our government officials. They violate the inviolate dictates and institutions through which we balance conflicting interests in accord with our common values. Above all, they are after the principle that government power can only be derived from the consent of the governed -- the SOLE moral principle on which our Constitution, and therefore the nation, rests.

A single member can call us to arms by simply standing their ground and accusing/impeaching. (It's easy. Write articles on a piece of paper and introduce them. Speak out in public. As truth spreads, so to does the urgency.

The choice, To Impeach, or Not Impeach, is not some strategic game or academic exercise. It is a choice between living by American principle or Facist Principle.

It is that simple.

There really is no choice.

[Roland99]

50. How else to keep the BFEE / Military-Industrial Complex beast fed given its insatiable appetite?

[bdamomma]

43. What a sick SOB comment

he would have been "embraced" with Nazi Germany with that remark, what a sick man

[Ganja Ninja]

45. More likely he'll sign Karl's extradition papers to the Hague. n/t

[Dulcinea]

46. Suppose the next President is a Democrat?

Will he/she still support perpetual war?

[RestoreGore]

56. Aren't they now the longer Bush is in the White House? n/t

[ananda]

47. NO president should embrace that doctrine!

But we don't have a president. We have an installed dictator
supported by big business.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. Yeah, Like Embracing A Wolf Around The Neck

So he can't rip your lungs out.
The Professor

[MazeRat7]

49. Well... I guess thats one way to describe getting screwed... -nt

[michaz]

51. Is it contagious?

Is it possible that being delusional is contagious?

[lovuian]

52. Scoot over Monroe we have the Bush Doctrine

it makes me ill
:argh:

[nadinbrzezinski]

53. I hate to agree with him

if we are an Empire, and we are boys and girls, this is IMPERIAL POLICY

So unless we divest from Empire, and no Empire on Earth has done such voluntarily... he is essentially correct... and we crossed the Rubicon on December 12, 2000... look, on the bright side Historians will have the exact date

[KansDem]

54. And "embracing the Bush doctrine" means...

Embracing the Saudis!



Now, remember, you promised! I let you fly planes into the WTC so we can invade Iraq!

[Roland99]

58. A lot of truth to that. Esp. since Saudis are *still* funding the insurgency in Iraq.

[saltpoint]

57. Mr. Rove is mistaken.

[Fovea]

59. My prediction Karl

Your legacy will end up hanging from a light pole.

You will be seen as pivotal a figure in US politics as Goebbles was to Germany's.

[unblock]

60. it's actually better known as the "hitler doctrine"

or perhaps the "napoleon doctrine", if you're feeling less provocative.

[Initech]

61. Bush Doctrine = total failure

So let's extrapolate that for a minute - does this mean the next president who embraces the "Bush Doctrine" will be a total failure as well?

[Worst Username Ever]

62. Yeah, the next President. Whoever she is.

:P I made a funny

[Cha]

63. There goes rove again with that

gin-hazed crystal ball of his.

[Jade Fox]

65. Sure thing, pal.

Nothing convinces like TOTAL COMPLETE ABSOLUTE FAILURE AND DEVASTATION. :sarcasm:

I actually find it encouraging that Rove and the rest of Bushco can't figure out that their bullshit is no longer selling. They are digging their own grave.