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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 12:53 PM
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Chavez goes on counter-tour to Bush trip
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070309/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/bush_protests_1

BUENOS AIRES, Argentina - Venezuela's firebrand leader said Friday that President Bush's Latin American tour was nothing more than an attempt to improve America's image, dismissing pledges of U.S. aid as a cynical attempt to "confuse" the region.

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President Hugo Chavez, who complained last week that Bush's tour was meant to divide Latin America and isolate his leftist government, launched a counter-tour of his own, arriving late Thursday in Buenos Aires. He said the U.S. leader only recently "has discovered poverty" in the region.

"I believe the chief objective of the Bush trip is to try to scrub clean the face of the (U.S.) empire in Latin America. But it's too late," Chavez said of recent Bush pledges of aid. "It seems he's just now discovered that poverty exists in the region."

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:06 PM
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1. LOL! Oh, Hugo. You are truly a laugh riot.
President Hugo Chavez, who complained last week that Bush's tour was meant to divide Latin America and isolate his leftist government...

So, Hugo, exactly what was the point of your US tour after your "Bush is Satan" UN speech? Spreading the love?

Lord, I hate Bush, but Chavez reminds me that asswipes comes in all flavors.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:56 PM
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4. Buzz Clik, I challenge you to write five sentences, and maybe even a paragraph of reasonable
commentary on U.S. policy in Latin America, Hugo Chavez and the Boliviarian revolution, that explains why we should consider Chavez to be an "asswipe."

And if you could give us a second paragraph on what you think Bush's purposes might be in Latin America, and why it's a bad thing to have a Latin American leader criticizing Bush and trying to counter those purposes, that might be helpful as well. Your mere opinion that Chavez is an "asswipe" doesn't seem to be aimed at reasonable discussion. It seems aimed instead at shutting down discussion and keeping people stupid and uninformed about Latin American developments. I'm inclined to reject your opinion out of hand, because you show up so often as the first comment in threads about Chavez, with these short "hit and run" swipes at Chavez. But I will accept "asswipe" as a shorthand vulgarism summing up your views, if I conclude that your view of Chavez has substance to it--is based on reliable information and reasonable analysis. I don't agree with it, but I will allow a bit a leeway for colorful language--I use it myself sometimes--if you can back it up.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:39 PM
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6. Any representative of any country who takes an international forum ...
... and pronounces the leader of any country to be the devil qualifies as a complete asswipe. The "it was a joke" defense is as empty as Ann Coulter's continual use of the same smirking plea.

I have no illusion of convincing the Chavez cheerleading squad on this board that Hugo is anything but a gift from God. Just keep in mind that others disagree.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:18 PM
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12. Bush is truly the fucking DEVIL!!! Get fucking real dude!!!
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 04:21 PM by GreenTea
Chavez is a democratically elected leader winning 63% of the vote in his country....Bush the devil steals elections!
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:20 PM
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13. Whatever. Say that here -- no problem.
Say that in front of live, international cameras at the UN, you're an asswipe.
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GreenTea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:24 PM
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14. Bullshit! The UN is the EXACT forum to tell the world the devil is running wild and
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 04:28 PM by GreenTea
to warn the world what the devil Bush's imperialistic goals are for the world!!

If one's country (as Venezuela) has oil then one must warn that the devil Bush and his ugly worshippers will be coming to steal that oil.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:36 PM
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16. If you say so.
If you admire world leaders venting their spleens in a childish fashion, so be it.

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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:08 PM
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2. Viva Hugo Chavez!!!
Goddess, I wish our Dem leaders in Washington had the courage and charisma Chavez does.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:08 PM
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3. Bravo for Hugo! Keep after the imperialists.
We've been exploiting Latin America for a couple of centuries. About time that they stood up to the neo-colonialists.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:59 PM
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5. A counter-tour, does that mean he is following Bush or tracking alongside him?
What a riot!

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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:41 PM
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8. He's drafting off Bush's wake.
I cannot decide which has been better for Chavez's career: having a total buffoon in the White House or the unreal oil prices that have him swimming in money.

Two things are certain: Chavez will hate the US long after Bush is gone, and Chavez will become just another third-world chatter box when his oil money runs out.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:16 PM
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11. You think Venezuela's oil profits could be better used...than building schools,
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 04:21 PM by Peace Patriot
paying teachers, funding adult literacy programs, providing a free university education to poor Venezuelans, building and staffing medical centers in poor areas never before served by government, funding small business loans and grants, and worker cooperative businesses, supporting indigenous arts (as opposed to imported corporate monoculture), buying up and distributing unused farmland so poor peasants can feed their families and so that Venezuela can achieve food self-sufficiency, buying back and returning indigenous lands (indigenous tribes often being the best protectors of the environment), building low cost housing for the poor in the shantytowns of Caracas (whose homes regularly slide off the hills during heavy rains), engaging in development projects such as the new Orinoco Bridge between Venezuela and Brazil, buying up Argentina's, Bolivia's and Ecuador's onerous World Bank debt, on easy terms, in order to create healthy trading partners and the nexus of a South American Common Market?

IF your main resource is oil, and you benefit from windfall profits, what better way to use the revenues than to help the poor, and to build up your social capital--through education and other program? Would you give it all to Exxon-Mobile, the Bush Cartel and the super-rich? What do THEY do with their profits? What are they doing with their profits HERE--building a better society, improving our democracy, preparing us for "peak oil" and global warming impacts? Why is it bad to have Hugo Chavez "swimming in money"--a politician who is actively helping the poor--rather than, say, Dick Cheney "swimming in money"--a criminal who would as soon torture and kill the poor, as look at them? And whose money is it? It's not Chavez's. He is not personally benefiting (there is no evidence of it). It belongs to the Venezuelan people, who have mandated, through their election process, what THEY want the money used for--not to further enrich the already rich, but to benefit the entire society. Chavez is just one actor in that process. The policy is supported by millions of people--by the vast majority of Venezuelans.

Venezuela is doing the very best that it can, it seems to me, with the resources it has. Why dis them for using their oil profits to benefit their society? They're even generous with those profits towards others--providing cheap oil to US poor, and helping Argentina, Bolivia and Ecuador get out of debt--generosity that is in the interest of Venezuela, as well as the benefited countries.

You keep using epithets to dis Chavez. Asswipe. Just another third-world chatter box (whatever that means). You sound very like AP. "Increasingly dictatorial." "Self-styled leftist." "FriendofFidelCastro." They may as well be saying "asswipe." But I'll grant you this. Saying that the oil profits will run out is at least the beginning of a thought. What would YOU say that those temporary profits should be used for? Do you oppose how Venezuela is using them? Do you have some alternative plan to propose? If the profits are temporary, and the oil is going to run out, eventually, what should Venezuela be doing with its windfall?

One other thing, Buzz Clik, I think it's unfair to say that Chavez's right to speak, and the validity of his views and of his policies, is contingent upon his "swimming in money" (--although the money is not his; he is the administer of it, the policy-maker, by choice of the Venezuelan voters). Please explain what you mean by "third-world chatter box." Do third world leaders have less right to speak for their people, because they are poor? Do you mean to say that our war profiteering corporate news monopolies only pay attention because Venezuela is rich in oil? If so, then whose fault is that--Chavez's? As the leader of a third world country--and a genuinely elected one--why shouldn't he take advantage of whatever platform he can attain, to speak on behalf of the third world--and, more than that, to rally the third world to stand up for itself and fight exploitation? Is it HIS fault that our war profiteering corporate news monopolies ignore poor countries, and fail to inform us of the views of local leaders, especially in regard to US/Corporate predator policy?

Perhaps you could give us an example of a "third-world chatter box." I don't understand the phrase. How would the oil money running out make Chavez into 'just another third-world chatter box"? Because he and his country would then be poor? How would that invalidate his views, or the views of the millions of people whom he represents? Is being rich the criterion for the validity of one's views? Can you point to some other third-world leader, of a country without oil riches, whom you would consider a "chatter box"?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 04:31 PM
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15. yeah, ok...
What Chavez does in Venezuela is his business. If you think he's accomplishing great things, I won't argue. However, when we intrude in his affairs, he has the right to go ballistic. Likewise, what we do here is US business, and when he injects himself in our political process, I do not have to approve. I will protest as violently against him as does against us.

I made no comments about his right to speak; just the opposite. He has every right to act out his fantasies in front of the cameras and microphones -- I'm not sure that calling him an "asswipe" in this thread somehow threatens his personal freedoms, but you said that, not me.

You want a list of third world chatterboxes? Little wannabe's, desperate for regonition in a big world, dying for their 15 minutes of fame. My pleasure:

  • Let's begin with Chavez's best buddy, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Now there's a role model.
  • Mohammar Qadaffi
  • Kim Jong-il
Get the idea? There are dozens more.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:14 PM
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18. Would you say that Bush has stuck his nose in Iraq's business, in kind of a big
way, slaughtering a hundred thousand innocent people, torturing thousands, and creating chaos and civil war?

Would you say that maybe Iran feels threatened by this? And other countries as well--including Venezuela, another Bush oil target?

Would you say that John Negroponte--Bush's new Undersec for Latin America--stuck his nose in El Salvador's and Nicaragua's business, in the '80s, by funding the slaughter of thousands of leftists, union leaders, peasants and community activists, including the Catholic bishop of El Salvador, and Cathoic nuns who were advocates of the poor?

Wouldn't you say that that might give Chavez and other Latin American leftists the right to stick their noses into our affairs and cry foul?

You have a very naive notion of what is a South American country's business, if you think that what happens here, in the USA, and what is spawned here by our worst elements, doesn't directly affect them. Why shouldn't they object? Why shouldn't they anticipate trouble from the Bush Junta? They've had quite a bit of it already. Why shouldn't they try to educate, rally and influence public opinion here against such interference?

Your three examples of third world leaders whom you would view as "chattterboxes" if they didn't have oil wealth or other riches, are very odd. Ahmadinejad is a leader in oil rich Iran. According to you, that gives him a right to speak for his country and the third world. Wealth = the right to an opinion. You said that Chavez, sans oil wealth, would be just another "third world chatter box"--as if Venezuela's oil wealth somehow conveys the right to be taken seriously. By your own remarks, you convey that right on Ahmadinejad,

So that example doesn't work for you--and it doesn't explain your puzzling statement, that Chavez, the highly popular, elected president of a third world country would be a mere 'third world chatter box," if it wasn't for Venezuela's oil wealth. Qadaffi? Kim Jong-il? You are comparing Chavez sans oil wealth with THEM? Chavez, sans oil wealth, would still be the democratically elected president of Venezuela, a third world country that has a democratic Constitution, free--and indeed, lively--political debate and public participation, and is a hotbed of intellectual ferment on ways of democratic governing and of achieving social justice. All this would have no importance--would just be "chatter"--if Venezuela was poor? True, Venezuela would have less ability to implement social justice if it were poor. And, no doubt, the war profiteering corporate news monopolies would ignore the president of Venezuela, if it were a poor country--as they ignore most leaders in poor countries. But poverty doesn't render Chavez's policies, and the political beliefs of most Venezuelans, into "chatter," in our fair and just world here at DU. And that is what I am challenging in your statement. You have introduced a rightwing idea into this leftist political forum--that if you are rich, you have a right to be taken seriously, and, if you are poor--Venezuela without oil riches--you do not; you are a mere "chatter box."

You said that Chavez, without oil riches, would become "just another third world chatter box." Please name me a leader of a POOR country (not Iran) with a DEMOCRATIC government (not Libya, not North Korea) whom you consider to be a "chatter box." "Just another third world chatter box" like _________? (fill in the blank). And tell me that you are not saying that the legitimate leader of a third world country should not be taken seriously, on matters of vital interest to his country and his region--such as George Bush's and John Negroponte's vile intentions in Latin America--unless his country is rich. That's what you said, in effect--that once the oil runs out, Chavez will "become just another third world chatter box." And the Bolivarian revolution would then mean...nothing? South American regional cooperation would be just "chatter"? Transparent elections--a great achievement of many South American countries--would not be noteworthy? Chavez would have no right to speak, and to be taken seriously, if his government were poor?

Chavez has said quite a lot more than that Bush is "the devil" and leaves an odor of sulfur behind him. (Did you know, by the way, that Mayan priests in Guatemala are fumigating places that Bush has been, to cleanse them of evil spirits? This is rather a widespread and popular notion--and Chavez is a very plugged in guy.) (The Mayans fear return of the Reagan death squads, who slaughtered TWO HUNDRED THOUSAND Mayan villagers in Guatemala in the '80s. Do you think they maybe have reason to fear our *, and to stick themselves into U.S. business?) Chavez has done a rather thorough analysis of South American economic and political woes, what their causes are, and how to fix them. He seems very smart to me. And not an "asswipe." What do I care if he calls Bush very well-deserved names? Bush doesn't represent ME. I don't consider him a legitimate leader. He's just a twerp--a little bully who likes to pull wings off of flies--who is a handy tool for the Corporate Rulers. I would be more inclined to call Dick Cheney "the devil," and Donald Rumsfeld. Bush is just a gargoyle on their wall; his ability to think up evil is limited by his intelligence and his complete lack of talent, knowledge and skill; he can barely speak without flubbing his lines. I wouldn't--and don't--focus so much on him. Why Chavez does so may be a defense tactic on Chavez's part--the Bush State Dept and their lapdog media demonize Chavez, so he demonizes Bush right back. Fair's fair. And it does tend to crack open the corporate news lapdog facade. How can they spin "the devil" remark? They can't, really. It is what it is. Out there--for all the peasants in Latin America to laugh at--and some of us peasants as well.




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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:35 PM
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19. Gotta love it when you guys read me Chavez's own press clippings...
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 07:36 PM by Buzz Clik
You know -- the ones he writes himself:

Chavez has done a rather thorough analysis of South American economic and political woes, what their causes are, and how to fix them.

Classic. As I indicated much further up on this thread, Chavez's only knowledge of economics is that current oil prices has him swimming in money. So, he's buying friends. Let's see how revered he is when the money is gone, and that will happen.

And, please quit making the ridiculous assumption that my revulsion of Chavez somehow is indicative that I am a fan of Bush or that I'm unaware of our imperialistic activities.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:54 PM
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21. I would love to see Hugo actually follow Generalissimo el Busho...
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 07:54 PM by JanMichael
...all the way around the world then corner him in a bathroom and beat the holy fuck outta him.
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Nutmegger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:41 PM
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7. That's great!
I stand with Chavez.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:24 PM
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9. Note on the Associated Press. Look for "ap" in the url. And when you see it, beware.
The Associated Press (AP), which I have found to be a completely unreliable news source on Latin American politics, has had a number of ways of describing Venezuela's president aimed at stirring up fear and hatred among North American consumers of war profiteering corporate monopoly "news." "Friend of Fidel Castro" is one. I won't bother to check if they include here. They almost always do. No matter that Chavez is also friends with the democratically elected presidents of Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, and Nicaragua, and with many social and political leaders in Latin America, his friendship with Castro is a thorn up their butts, and they frequently mention it, to the exclusion of all other Chavez friendships, in order to suggest that Chavez is not representative of Latin American opinion, when in fact he is. Castro is not the monster that U.S. corporate news monopolies would like you to believe. He is a hero to the vast population of Latin America's poor, who have heard of the benefits of Cuban communism--a place where everybody eats, everybody has shelter and useful employment, everybody has health care, and a free education--and many in the Andean democracies have benefited directly from the Cuban doctors who have staffed local medical centers. The rich elites in countries such as Venezuela and Bolivia have utterly neglected their own country's health care and educational systems. They have failed to create equitable societies in which the poor have hope and a chance at a good life. By contrast, Cuba devotes most of its resources to these goals. Communist revolution is not the route that other Latin American poor populations have chosen. They have chosen--and are passionately intent upon--democracy. But they don't see any reason to hate Cuba, and much reason to admire it and learn from it what government should be doing for all citizens.

And that is just one tactic that AP uses to try to keep us stupid about Latin America, and to disinform us about the Latin American democracy movement, of which Chavez is one leader. This democracy movement is coming from the bottom--from long hard work on grass roots organization and transparent elections. Chavez is a product of this revolution, as much as he is a leader of it. When the fascist military coup attempt was tried in Venezuela in 2002, it was the million Venezuelans who poured into the streets in opposition to it, that was the critical factor in restoring Constitutional government and in the return of their elected president, Hugo Chavez. Chavez owes his power to THEM. To the People. Our corporate news monopolies instead dwell on Chavez as a personality--and use every writing tactic they can to convey a sense of "strongman," "warlord," "gun toting leftist revolutionary," "dictator," etc.--and ignore this vast, people-driven movement that has swept him and many other Latin American leftists (majorityists) into power. And AP is the worst offender in this respect.

Now they are calling Chavez "Venezuela's firebrand leader." Yet more incendiary description. No matter that Chavez's comments are eminently reasonable and truthful. Bush cares as much for the Latin American poor as he does about the victims of Katrina and the tens of thousands of people he has slaughtered in Iraq. He "cares" about them absolutely not at all. He is lying. And Chavez is pointing this out. What is "fiery" about that? Nothing. It is the simple truth. Chavez is also correct that "it's too late." Bush's fascist thug buddies in Latin America cannot win, at this point. Democracy has too much momentum. But they can still cause a lot of trouble and grief--and that is why Bush is larding them with billions of US taxpayer dollars (checks written on our future) to keeping killing peasants and leftists in Colombia, Guatemala and Mexico, to try to prevent democracy in those countries, and to try to spread this mayhem to the good governments in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Uruguay and Nicaragua, to destabilize them, and keep them from forming a South American Common Market. Bush also has ill purpose in Peru and Paraguay--to try to stop the big leftist movements there from winning electoral victories.

It's too late for the fascist thugs. There are huge scandals in Colombia and Guatemala right now about the activities of Bush/US-funded rightwing paramilitaries--drug trafficking, mass murder, an assassination plot against Chavez. There is also a simmering scandal about the rightwing paramilitary kidnappings, rapes, tortures and disappearances of hundreds of community leaders in Oaxaca, Mexico, with the collusion of the state and federal government. And the smartest South American leaders--Chavez in Venezuela, Morales in Bolivia, and Correa in Ecuador (as well as the rising leaders in Peru and Paraguay) have rejected the murderous US "war on drugs" for what it is: the US war on the poor. So the real question for Bush is, what else can he deliver to his corporate masters, in this circumstance of massive rebellion against US fascism and global corporate predation, in order to keep them propping up the Bush/Cheney junta and to keep its chief perps out of prison? Chavez is right again. Bush is there to "confuse" the region--to disrupt developments in Mercosur, the So. American trade group, that are tending toward regional cooperation and a Common Market in which US global corporate predators will have to compete on fair terms. There are also discussions of a common currency (to get off the US dollar). And one of the reasons that these self-help measures are possible for South America is the role of the Chavez government is helping Argentina, Bolivia and Ecuador get out from under World Bank debt and its onerous repayment conditions. The World Bank/IMF is the Corporate Rulers' tool for keeping these countries destitute and unable to fight back against exploitation. Chavez is helping his fellow/sister South Americans bust that power.

Dictator. Authoritarian. Self-styled leftist. FriendofFidelCastro. Firebrand. All aimed at blinding you to what is really going on in South America. Democracy is winning, at long last!

As Evo Morales, the first indigenous president of Bolivia, has said: "We want partners, not masters." The Associated Press, a war profiteering corporate news monopoly, wants you to perceive that desire for justice and fairness as a threat, because it threatens our Corporate Rulers and their ungodly profits. That is why they dwell on Chavez--the most vocal and colorful leader of this vast movement--and try to stigmatize him in your mind as a "dictator" and a demagogue, a man who won the last election in Venezuela with 63% of the vote, in an election process that, time and again, has been unanimously certified by the OAS, the Carter Center and EU election monitoring groups, who have been free to crawl all over Venezuela with hundreds of election monitors. By comparison, our own election process could have been invented in Stalinist Russia, it is so incredibly non-transparent--a fraudulent election system that AP protects and covers up for. Beware of AP articles on Latin America. Look for the "ap" in the url.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 03:29 PM
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10. When will Bush do something in America besides create more poverty
for the working class citizens.
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 05:31 PM
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17. For those new to this subject, and who would like to gain some understanding of
the Bolivarian revolution, Chavez, Venezuela and Latin American politics, www.venezuelanalysis.com is a good place to start. It has some basic explanations, and comment/news on on-going events.

The Boliviarian revolution is named after the great South American revolutionary hero, Simon Bolivar, who helped to free all these countries from colonial rule, who freed the slaves, and who dreamt of a "United States of South America"--with the newly freed South American countries banding together to achieve self-determination for the region. He died too young to realize his dream, but the dream lives on. Our country's business interests have done everything they can to keep South America divided and exploitable. Hugo Chavez is the first leader to come along since those revolutionary days to capture and articulate this dream, who also has the democratic strength--and, with the price of oil, the funds--to back it up. But I want to stress that he is just one leader of this vast movement. And Venezuela's oil is by no means the only resource at issue. There are vast untapped reserves of oil, gas, minerals, forests, fresh water and other resources that US-based global corporate predators want to exploit, and it is critically important--for values of democracy and social justice--that the people in these countries succeed at keeping or gaining control over their own country's resources and economic policy. Hugo Chavez is not imposing the idea self-determination on anyone. It is the natural desire of the people of South America to control their own fate, and to fend off further US interference and domination. It is a desire shared by nearly all Latin Americans, and has found expression, through democratic process, in a host of new leaders and governments--Morales in Bolivia, Correa in Ecuador, Lulu in Brazil, Batchelet in Chile, Vasquez in Uruguay, Ortega in Nicaragua--and in huge leftist movements in Mexico, Peru and Paraguay, and even in Guatemala and Colombia. And it is not hatred of the U.S. I see no evidence at all of hatred of us--the people of north America--anywhere in this movement. If anything, the South Americans pity us, because we have such terrible leaders and because we are losing our once great democracy to global corporate predators.

It is very important for us to understand what is really happening in South America--if, for no other reason, to learn some lessons from it. Here are the main keys to the success of this revolution, that I have gleaned from studying it:

1. Transparent elections.
2. Grass roots organization.
3. Think big.

If the South Americans can throw off fascist rule and achieve democracy--with their long history of brutal dictatorships and exploitation--so can we. You wonder why they dis Hugo Chavez, time and again, in the corporate media, and never tell you about the millions of people who support him and are inspired by him, nor why he is so popular. It's because his ideas are catching. And, at the core of them, is the idea of democracy itself--people actually being able to vote in leaders whom they agree with, and who act in their interest. They don't want us to remember the founding principles of our own country.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 07:52 PM
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20. You go Hugo! Tell that fascist fuckwit where to go.
Straight back to the depths of hell where the sulfur is his buddy.
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