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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:14 PM
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Poll question: On Monday Chuck Hagel will . . .
His office indicates that Senator Chuck Hagel (R-NE) will make an announcement on Monday, March 12, but has not indicated what the announcement will be.

Speculation pingpongs among several options for Hagel's future.

What do you think is going to happen?
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On Monday, Chuck Hagel will:
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:18 PM
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1. I vote the Anna Nicole choice
:rofl:
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:22 PM
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2. Chuck Hagel is a formidable rethug candidate for President,............
no one should underestimate his appeal to a majority of centrist voters.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:24 PM
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3. I wish you were wrong, Double T, but I'm fearful that you're right.
Hagel is a far-right Republican (if you take all the other issues combined and not Iraq, I mean) and for that reason I think he's a serious threat.

I would set his chances at the nomination as difficult, but hardly impossible, and maybe better than Giuliani's.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:47 PM
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6. Hagel has the ability to garner votes from Southern Conservative Democrats..........
making Chuck an even greater threat. Believe me, Hagel could be BIG trouble.
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peacetheonlyway Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:31 PM
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5. Puleez... couldn't agree more
the fucker owns % ownership in both ES&S and DIebold.

his ownership of the whitehouse is HIS NOW. he will run as merely a 'show'.

The man won a Dakota election where years of democrats have held senatorial seats
but when he took a $5M stake in ES&S who by the way ran the election in Dakota, he
won the seat by a large majority.


try not to read too much into this, but Bush/Cheney lost the VOting Machine Board Support
and Hagel now has it.


I'll bet everything I own that Hagel wins presidency against all odds.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:52 PM
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8. The 'paperless voting machine' situation will be a serious problem.......
regardless of which rethug candidate is elected to run for President; the damn voting machines are engineered, manufactured and sold by corporate america and YOU KNOW who they want to ALWAYS win!!
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:35 PM
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12. He's from Nebraska, not the Dakotas.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:50 PM
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7. Why, what is centrist about him other than his Iraq stance? nt
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:03 PM
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10. Iraq is the glaring in your face political hot button issue...........
and many voters are one issue voters, as sad as that may seem. Opposition to bushco plays well in the MSM, specially when the guy raising the opposition ruckus is a well known rethug.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:47 PM
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13. So you feel that there are lots of single issue anti-war voters who are cool with anti-choice
anti-gay, anti-labor, anti-environmental, 95% Bush like candidates?
Why do warmongers like Guiliani and McCain lead in the repub primary polls by large margins?
Why does a warmonger like Guiliani lead an anti-war candidate like Obama in blue states like NJ and PA, in addition to leading him nationally?
Why is HRC, who hasn't even apologized for her vote, leading most Dem primary polls?

I'd like to hear your answers to all of these... I'm not looking to fight or anything.
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Double T Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 06:38 PM
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20. Better check your polls; winners in recent polls rise and fall like the tides......
Guiliani does well regionally with areas located near the 9/11 sites; how Guiliani ever became this great hero is a damn mystery to me, but to many in the NYC, PA , NY and CT areas he is next to a god. HRC has nothing to apologize about regarding her vote to go to war based on evidence that was later shown to be a lie and total fabrication by bushco. HRC leads many Dem polls because there are many people that would desire an extremely intelligent female president; the good old boys had their chance to shine and they really have fucked up royally. The majority of voters and citizens in the USA want out of Iraq; ALL other issues pale to this single HUGE issue. The polls on the Iraq 'war' are clear and now consistent; the American people want out.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 09:54 PM
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23. I do check my polls, and they may change.
But while "American people want out" they also have no problem voting for warmongers who they consider to be "tough" and/or "heroic." Hence, Weathervane McCain and Dame Rudy poll very well right now.
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Horse with no Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 10:21 PM
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17. IMHO he is the ONLY Republican candidate
that an hold their base and bring back some of their centrists.
I believe he is going to announce his candidacy AND his intention to bring impeachment charges against the President.
If the Democrats allow him to take the lead on impeachment...again, IMHO...we won't stand a chance at taking the WH in 2008.
The American people want an end to the war AND they want impeachment.
He is the only one offering both.
We should be afraid of this man.
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:26 PM
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4. He's too loyal a GOPer to run.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:10 PM
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11. I think some of his fellow GOPers already are plenty mad at him
for opposing Dubya on the Iraq war.

Dick Cheney took a potshot at him earlier this past week.

Hagel might not run, but if he does, he's going to draw fire from more than one quarter.
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 08:52 PM
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9. LOL, thanks for the choices
Selecting Swan Lake

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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:51 PM
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14. I think Hagel will decide to go for the GOP nomination.
He knows a lot of people in his party don't like him much, but there's no air or light on the Giuliani/McCain/Romney side of the teeter-totter. He'll have to pretend that he's a "moderate," and use his reasonably good stance on Iraq as "proof."

At the same time, other blogsites are suggesting that Tennessee's Fred Thompson, former U.S. Senator and currently a character on LAW AND ORDER, will join the Republican race.

What a bloody mess the GOP primary season is going to be, and what fun it's going to be to watch it.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 10:07 PM
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15. He scares me more than any of the rest!
He's relatively young, healthy, and reasonable-sounding. The worst thing in his record is his financial interest in black-boxes, which Joe Six-Pack will blow off. And dammit, I don't even want to go here, he's not bad-looking (thinking about Susie Soccer-Mom).
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 10:16 PM
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16. All good points. I'm a bit worried also. He's really a total conservative
except as you say, he sounds reasonable on Iraq.

I love your observation on the soccer moms.
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mentalsolstice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 11:14 PM
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18. He's the anti-McCain!
He'll attract McCain supporters, because he's reasoned on the ME, and has a military record, yet he's younger and healthier (and, grrr, he's better-looking). Yet he'll steal social-conservative votes from Giuliani (and, grrr, he's better-looking). He's majorly scary!

Pleeeze don't flame me! I went to law school, so I've been taught to talk out of both sides of my mouth. I do not support Hagel, in any way shape or form! However, I've been taught to look at the strengths and weaknesses of both sides. In fact, I'm really jazzed by all of the Dem candidates at this point!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 12:06 AM
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19. Yep. No matter what the Thugs do, we're going to kick their fannies.
But good.
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FVZA_Colonel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 07:22 PM
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21. If he runs, it will be concerning, but his victory is by no means assured.
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 07:25 PM by FVZA_Colonel
There will certainly be plenty of time to show how similar he is to the man who got us into this war in most respects, and even if a different path were to be taken, he is not guaranteed the White House in 2008.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 08:13 PM
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22. Yep. What's also interesting to me is the number of people
Edited on Sat Mar-10-07 08:13 PM by Old Crusoe
considered close to John McCain who are considering presidential runs, which would pit them against McCain.

Fred Thompson and Hagel being the two most high-profile examples.

I wonder if they know something I don't about McCain's chances. Or about his health.

I haven't ruled out rank ambition, but still, Thompson and McCain were mighty close in 2000 and McCain and Hagel have been good buds almost forever.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 10:03 PM
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24. If Hagel runs, I hope Al Gore and Wes Clark run too
I believe after the current repuke candidates get done destroying each other (deservedly so), Hagel will emerge as the one candidate who will be hard to beat. We will need something like an Al Gore/Wes Clark ticket to draw away all the soccer/security moms and misinformed, wishy-washy centrists.



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BringEmOn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 10:09 PM
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25. ...announce his pending divorce and confess to Dobson
that he's been boinking his interns. Gotta fit in with the rest of the repuke field. Although, it's too late to go back and dodge the Vietnam War.
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SlowDownFast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-10-07 10:15 PM
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26. Tin Foil sombrero on, I would'nt put it past Hagel
and/or some 'others' to have invented Hagel's criticism of the war for exactly the purpose of grooming him for Prez. That's assuming 'they' understand their war is 'lost', and therefore support of it is, also.
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