Re; Joe Wilson: What This RW Idiot Is Talking About?

[K8-EEE]

I challenged a RW idiot on a music board who called Joe Wilson a "liar" to tell me what he lied about. Can anybody translate this?

"I don't see how this evidence disputes what Wilson originally told the senate, and as far as false claims go on the yellow cake , I remember it was MI-6 that originally made this claim, so if you can't trust Bond then who can you trust, and as far as I know MI-6 is still sticking their claim."

What did he claim to the Senate?? Asking this tool for links is futile cuz he just pulls stuff out of his ass Freeper-style, but where can I get whatever this is? Just curious.

[frankenforpres]

1. didnt he say the VP office sent

him to africa, but that was not true? (i thought this ran as a correction, but it has been so long)

[Gabi Hayes]

3. ya know...there's this thing called google....

http://mediamatters.org/items/200604070006
http://mediamatters.org/items/200510210008#20051026

An RNC talking points memo made public on July 12 accused Wilson of falsely claiming "that it was Vice President Cheney who sent him to Niger." The allegation that Wilson had lied about the genesis of his trip was soon repeated by RNC chairman Ken Mehlman, who argued that this fact justified the purported leaking of Plame's identity to the press and that the White House had simply been attempting to set the record straight.

New York Times columnist David Brooks made this argument at least twice (here and here). And a string of journalists and commentators -- including CNN's Dana Bash, The Washington Post's Mike Allen, Newsweek's Jon Meacham, and U.S. News and World Report's Michael Barone -- parroted the allegation during news reports and media appearances in the following weeks. NBC chief foreign affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell recently repeated the claim as a guest on MSNBC's Hardball with Chris Matthews.

But Wilson never said that Cheney sent him to Niger. To support this accusation, the RNC had misrepresented his July 6, 2003, op-ed in The New York Times and distorted a remark he made in an August 3, 2003, interview on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer. Contrary to their allegation, Wilson clearly stated in the op-ed that "agency officials" had requested he travel to Niger. Further, in the CNN appearance, he stated it was "absolutely true" that Cheney was unaware he went on the trip.

[benddem]

6. NO he never said that

the righties misconstrued every thing he said. He said that he heard from the CIA that the VP was concerned about the info and wanted confirmation. The CIA bosses asked Valerie if he husband was available for a marvelous trip to beautiful downtown Niger at his own expense. Read Wilson's book or his orginal column....what I didn't find in Niger.

[K8-EEE]

13. I looked but I couldn't find anything where he said that.

Just people SAYING he said it....

[rfranklin]

2. Bush and Cheney claimed the British backed yellowcake story...

This was after the CIA debunked the documents which the British were basing their intelligence on.

And, of course, Saddam's entire nuclear arsenal was shipped to Syria just to make Bush look bad.

That Saddam was such a joker!

[annabanana]

4. I think he's confusing this Bond with James Bond. .

It IS very garbled, isn't it....

[hardcore]

5. Washington Post ran an editorial calling Wilson

a liar and listed each lie. Try asking someone who subscribes to Lexis Nexis to look it up for the details. The whole episode makes your head hurt just trying to keep up with it.

[peacetalksforall]

7. Tell him Britain was used to launder the 'impression' that there was

proof of yellowcake - which was actually based on forgeries - which the CIA discovered right away - but Blair went along with it., anyway.

look up Niger forgeries

then, for fun, add Michael Ledeen to the search string

[jedr]

8. Was said on CNN tonight , by right wing talking head;

"And Wilson is a proven liar" The latest RW talking point. The wagons are circling, time to discredit the witness. The sh*t is about to hit the fan.

[emulatorloo]

9. this has to do with the ALLEGED BIPARTISAN REPORT that wingnuts Bond, Roberts, and Hatch

put anti wilson wingnut talking point into -- as an addendum to an intelligence report about Wilson. Then the wingnut commentators picked it up and go on and on about how a "Bipartisan Senate Committee" proved that "Joe Wilson Is A Liar"

The addendum to the report has been debunked several times -- I can't find any links right now. (see below my post on mediamatters

However you can find a copy of the GOP TALKING POINTS fax here:

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Exclusive_GOP_talking_points_on_Rove_seek_to_discre_0712.html

Look down the page of the GOP TALKING POINTS sheet to heading Sens Roberts Bond and Hatch All Dismissed Wilsons Claims

This is pure right wing echo machine at work.

[TacticalPeek]

10. One lie they falsely claim is to say that Wilson said Cheney sent him. Easily disproved.

From Ambassador Wilson's OpEd:

In February 2002, I was informed by officials at the Central Intelligence Agency that Vice President Dick Cheney's office had questions about a particular intelligence report. While I never saw the report, I was told that it referred to a memorandum of agreement that documented the sale of uranium yellowcake — a form of lightly processed ore — by Niger to Iraq in the late 1990's. The agency officials asked if I would travel to Niger to check out the story so they could provide a response to the vice president's office.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/07/06/opinion/06WILS.html?pagewanted=1&ei=5007&en=6c6aeb1ce960dec0&ex=1372824000&partner=USERLAND

Wilson has never said that Cheney sent him, and every time a RW hack is on tv they said that Wilson lied about saying Cheney sent him. It might be a good idea to print off several copies of Wilson's OpEd, to use for cramming down the throats of malinformed RW whack jobs.

[emulatorloo]

11. This media matters piece has a debunk of Bond, Robert, Hatch Senate report addendum

See my post above re the GOP talking point memo.

This media matters piece is specific to a Jeff Gannon interview re the talking points.

In taped CNN interview, Gannon misrepresented Senate Intel report findings on Joe Wilson

http://mediamatters.org/items/200502120003

Read the whole thing but a snip here:

GANNON: They were interested in where -- how I knew or received a copy of a confidential CIA memo that said that uh, Valerie Plame suggested that Joe Wilson be sent on this mission -- something that they have all vigorously denied but which is, in effect, true. The Senate Intelligence Committee eight months later, when they issued their report, said that and chastised Joe Wilson for essentially misleading everybody all along,and that's the day Joe Wilson was no longer a Kerry campaign adviser.
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In fact, the Senate Intelligence Committee's report (pdf) did not reach a conclusion about how the CIA made its decision, much less "chastise" Wilson, who had denied that his wife had "anything to do" with the CIA's decision.

<snip>

Contrary to Gannon's assertions that the Senate Intelligence Committee "chastised" Wilson, it was only Republicans on the committee who "chastised" Wilson. In an additional statement, which was not part of the unanimous bipartisan report, Senators Pat Roberts (R-KS), Christopher S. Bond (R-MO), and Orrin G. Hatch (R-UT) attacked Wilson's credibility.

[baldguy]

12. 16 words.

"The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa."

Bush knew BEFORE he said this that Saddam Hussein HAD NOT recently sought uranium from Niger. He KNEW that the documents supporting that statement were FORGERIES. He KNEW the British government QUESTIONED the veracity of the source of the documents. And his own CIA chief lobbied to have those words REMOVED from the SOTU speech.

BUSH lied. Amb Wilson exposed his lie. And in retaliation, Cheney ordered that Valerie Plame be exposed (with Bush's knowledge & approval). As a result, America's entire anti-nuclear proliferation network in the ME has been destroyed.

If Iran of Syria go nuclear, Bush will be responsible.