Can we be ''nice'' to Newt....for awhile, at least? Here's why:

[Gabi Hayes]

Somebody has to derail the St. Rudy Express.

If it's not Newt, it's going to have to be Hagel, and Newt will be FAR easier to beat than Hagel.

If Giuliani gets the nom, forget about it....the media have annointed/canonized him, and they will NOT allow any Dem to say anything nasty about him, just as Gore or Kerry were not allowed to speak ill of Bush until they were smeared enough so they average voter didn't take anything they said seriously.

It's really just that simple.

It's ALL about the media. Unless McCain (I think he's shot already), Hagel, or Newt can blow Rudy out of the water, you're looking at our next Maximum Leader. Forget about the Right Wing Fundytrogs, like Mitt and the lesser lightweights, cause that's all they are.

The pugs have got to do the heavy lifting during the primary...that's just the way it is. If Giuliani runs away and hides from his competition, were screwed.

I hope I'm wrong, but look at what's happened so far. Sure, the media have had a little to say about his personal life, but it's usually couched in how people don't care about that anymore, and, besides, NINE ELEVEN, NINE ELEVEN, NINE ELEVEN.







EDIT: I stand corrected on the 'N' word. I meant it jokingly. Ignoring him for now would be better. all this stuff that's coming out now about him is old news, available (but ignored, of course by the M$M) at the time of the impeachment fiasco. let the other pugs spread it against him, if/when he runs. Concentrate on Giuliani. he's the one.

[MrModerate]

1. Call me an optimist . . .

But the media will turn on Giuliani soon enough. He's creepy and a tad asocial and they'll decide to take him down at some point. Even Hilary speaks better than he does, not to mention Obama and Edwards, and his charm will shrivel like a salted slug. Also, even if the Christnuts hold their noses and vote for him in the primaries, they're not going to feel very enthusiastic come election day -- especially as Rudy's going to have to tack strongly to the middle to maintain any chance of winning. Many of them will stay home -- a clear advantage in all the downticket races.

I'm looking forward to Rudy (or McCain or Slippery Newt for that matter). In 2008, none of them will be able to beat any of the top three Dems (Diebold -- which is conveniently imploding -- notwithstanding).

[Divernan]

2. Agreed. Rudy's not a happy camper about Newt's moral "rehab"

touted by Dawson and Falwell. I think Newt will announce shortly cause he doesn't want to concede any of those campaign contributions to the other candidates. And Newt will not hesitate to slash Rudy to pieces - which is damned ironic, since both of them are serial adulterers.

[Me.]

3. Sorry

Just can't do it, he's such a little lying backstabbing hypocritical creep, who as part of WHIG, helped lie us into war and has far too much blood on his hands. As for Rudy, don't like that little snot either and my feelings echo those of NY Firefighters who don't just say no, but hell no. The thing about Rudy is that I don't believe he has it in him to be a long distance runner, at as far as a presidential run is concerned. Though when the going gets tough, and it will, the only running Rudy will do is to get as far away as he can.

[madinmaryland]

4. No. They are going to get ugly, and let us let them get ugly.

They are not saints and cannot pretend to hid behind any of the bullshit that bush did when he ran (i.e. it was youthful... blah, blah, blah).

We need to hammer them on the hypocrisy!

Being from the NY area, Giuliani's "broomstick" :grr: reputation is going to get out. :grr:

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

5. I am capable of ignoring an asshole but PLEASE don't ask me to "be nice".

I can't "pretend" in that way, AT ALL. Trust me on this. :rofl:

[Gabi Hayes]

8. Actually, I agree with that wholeheartedly. Ignoring that f***wad is just fine.

I just wish ALL the effort expended discussing his myriad disgusting personality/political/financial/philosophical weaknesses would be spent on exposing the reality of Giuliani to the world.

maybe some of it will escape to the likes of Bill Press and other idiots like him, who SALIVATE at the prospect of a Giuliani candidacy.

I don't see much angst among 'liberal' TV gasbags, either. I haven't heard word ONE of some of the things I've found just following various links around the web...some VERY damaging things, too, which are on the record, and verifiable.

Just one example: in all this Rudy hagiographying, have you heard any mention of just what a TERRIBLE example of his leadership it was to get rid of the excellent police chief he had, and replace him with the utterly corrupt Bernie Kerik, then PARTNERING up with him to cash in on the 911 tragedy, THEN recommending that swine to Bush as the very first head of Homeland Security? Too bad they blew the whistle on that. I'd have loved to have seen Kerik in the office. That might've been the end of Rudy's candidacy right there.

[IChing]

6. I always like Newt especially these quotes.

Newt:
"We'd better get back, 'cause it'll be dark soon, and they mostly come at night... mostly."

Newt:
"My mommy always said there were no monsters - no real ones - but there are, aren't there? "

Ripley: "Yes, there are."

Kidding aside.
Newt is like an old horror movie
where we already know the lines that are going be said
and the predictable actions of the monster

his contract with America is over.

[EST]

7. While your appeal seems fairly tightly argued, there may be

other options. The combination that appears to be working, and of which I heartily approve, is that of repudiation of the entire field op g.o.perverts.

THere is no groundswell of "conservative" thought or opinion that supports just any old idiot candidate simply because he is a publiclown.

If we keep up the fight, pointing out clearly, at every opportunity, that these flawed examples are the very best the pukes have to offer, the best of the best, and they are very bad, the most any one of them is likely to score in a national election is their idiot base of thirty percent.

This is no time to go soft or start triangulating. Bad is still bad. Shabby candidates are still shabby and these cats are well known and easy to find out about. They all smell like an over used outhouse on a hot day. Republican perfume.

Notice the uncharacteristic sp]ashing of the pooplicon crap across the warm stream media. At this point, I'm convinced the dem candidate, no matter who, with a couple of possible exceptions, will be the winner in '08.

It's kinda funny, the sudden emergence of "rock star" Obama seemed like a momentous event, putting pressure on the evil perps, and now the disarray on the radical reprobate right has obviated even the need for a rock star. Perhaps a big part of the confusion on the rabid right is the direct result of having such a splendid array of talent and capability on our side.

[NI4NI]

9. Be nice?

Be nice to the same mofo who blamed the drowning of Susan Smith's two children in South Carolina because of a "liberal society", when all the while it was Smith's perverted Republican right wing Christian conservative leader and STEPFATHER who had been molesting Smith after her attempted suicides before that?
Sorry, I can't, I'm not that liberal.

[Gabi Hayes]

10. that was a bit of hyperbole, to be sure. as I responded to another poster,

who said 'ignore' would be a better word.

how's that sound?

he's as scummy as they come, and is largely responsible, along with Frank Luntz and Ralph Reed, for the pug resurgence in 94, based on their clever manipulaton of language, which has been used so effectively for the last thirteen years.

it's the ONLY thing they're good at, besides mass murder.

[DemBones DemBones]

11. Trouble is that the media are going to anoint

the GOP candidate and sing his praises loudly while sniping at every Dem candidate. They do their Master's bidding. We have to hope that enough people have figured out the media's game -- which the 2006 election suggested -- and that the Dem nominee gets such a huge plurality that the voting machine hackers and political hacks can't fix the election again.

Do you read Bob Somerby's The Daily Howler? He has been laying it all out about the media's pandering since 1998. I recommend his columns highly for analysis and humour.

http://www.dailyhowler.com

[NI4NI]

12. I'm countin' on the IAFF to foul up Rudy's 9/11 play

And as for ignoring Newt, I can't do that either because he still has a vast following of hero worshippers. IMO I think Reptiles believe he has the best political/ideology true conservative credentials; But whether he runs or not, he'll always be in the spotlight demonizing Democrats.

[SlowDownFast]

13. No way. Rudy's radioactive.

The MSM are still studying their geiger counters...

[MasterDarkNinja]

14. I agree, Rudy = the 1 very dangerous Repub for our 08 whitehouse chances

I know some people around here think that Rudy's popularity would fall apart soon enough under the correct attacks, but look at this way, would you rather face an opponent who starts out strong, or one who's already going to start out weak that we just have to keep weak?

Rudy is too dangerous for us to just sit back and help him take the nomination, off the top of my head he's got these assets none of the other repubs have.
-Can easily paint himself as a moderate in the general election.
-Unlike most of the repubs he's not flip flopping on most issues (other then abortion you could argue with his promise to appoint judges who would overturn Roe vs Wade), he's just avoiding them. Meaning it's more difficult to paint him as a flip flopper.
-He's got the 9/11 hero image, and chances are no matter how much we reveal dirt on Rudy a lot of people are still going to be willing to vote for him over anybody just because of that.
-Take a look at the polls and what words people use to describe Rudy, while you see some bad words used to describe every other GOP 08 presidential candidate, you get nothing but good things said about Rudy.
-He's got more appeal to the independent voters, who usually decide who wins the elections, over any other GOP candidate.

Also I don't know about everyone else here, but in 04 I thought that the democrats attack ads sucked and could have done a much better job of painting Bush in a bad light. So I'm not too confident that the democrats can deliever powerful attacks against Rudy that exploit his biggest weaknesses, which we would definitely need to do Rudy more then any other GOP candidate to win.

Rudy is our worst nightmare in 08, I'd much rather face the hypocrite Newt, or McCain who's becoming more like George W. Bush by the day and has lost most of the support from his independent base without gaining the support of the GOP base.