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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:33 AM
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Mar. 11 Daily Impeachment News: post high crimes and misdemeanor news here

This thread is an idea being tested.
If the DU Community wants to have a daily thread like this, it will be obvious by your PARTICIPATION.

POST links to DU discussions, web articles, start the thread in the morning with a link to the previous thread and an article, kick only if buried, etc.
I'm not able to continue this daily activity beginning in a few days.
VOTE for this thread by participating.

Yesterday's Daily Impeachment News: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x383208
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First up today, instead of a media article--what really matters, a citizen's opinion from Montana.
One wonders how many of these are being written each day??

Letter: Support our troops, impeach Bush
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2007/03/11/opinion/letters/60-impeach.txt

"The only way we will avoid a war with Iran is to impeach Bush. If we go to war with Iran, will it spread ....

Going to war is like opening a door to a darkened room. One never knows what is hidden in the darkness.

..... Let's support our troops and impeach Bush.

Lee Smoot Jr.
Big Timber, Montana

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:39 AM
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1. OPEDNEWS: Treason - are you giving it a pass? by Mark A. Goldman
Treason - are you giving it a pass?
by Mark A. Goldman
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_mark_a___070310_treason___are_you_gi.htm

You are doing for the Democrats, the same thing that the Democrats are doing for Bush and his Republicans.... giving them a pass. That's what all this talk is.... a gesture that pretends to do something when in fact it does nothing.

Probably the reason that it is so difficult to take action is that things are so bad we don't even see what is right in front of us. What we have is the overthrow of the legitimate government of the United States. If George Bush and his minions are above the law with impunity, then this is not the country of our fathers. Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Lincoln, and all the rest are rolling over in their graves contemplating the loss of habeas corpus, privacy rights, separation of powers, an acknowledgment of the basic dignity of human beings and all the rest. This is treason. The only reason we don't see it is because they are all in on it.

..... more ...
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:42 AM
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2. Kick for justice. - n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:48 AM
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3. Letters to the Editors: The U.S. pays
An important aspect of Freedom of Speech is speaking up!! Thank you Murray.

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Letter: The U.S. pays
http://www.dailyastorian.info/main.asp?SectionID=23&SubSectionID=393&ArticleID=40847&TM=24666.95


The country is going broke buying red ink. Iraq citizens continue to swirl in a sea of madness.....
... George Bush and Richard Cheney are most responsible for this mess.

The first order of business for the nation's recovery is to remove the core of the problem. Will the Democrats step up to the plate and impeach? Not a chance. The world, and almost everyone in it (except Robert Nassikas) wants them impeached. But no.

Democracy stopped functioning somewhere around Jan. 15, 2001, with an incompetent administration ....

MURRAY STANLEY
Astoria
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:18 PM
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15. "Blame Democrats for Iraq war"
Letters to the Editor - Sunday, March 11, 2007
"Blame Democrats for Iraq war"

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"... James Nagy wrote "the House needs to wash its hands of the matter by drawing up articles of impeachment" and "needs to lead by example."

Do Nagy and all the other impeachment advocates not know that it is the current group of Democrats in office - Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, et-al - who put our troops in Iraq.

President Bush recommended the war, but Congress overwhelmingly legalized it, made it happen. ....."

Peter Homitz
Monaca

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©Beaver County Times Allegheny Times 2007

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:19 AM
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33. "high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed, President Pinocchio Bush"
Published - Saturday, March 10, 2007
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/03/10/opinion/letters/lax4.txt

High crimes and misdemeanors?

By VIVIEN EDWARDS / La Crescent, Minn.
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President Bush promised to get Osama bin Laden dead or alive. There would be no cut and run, while redeploying troops to Iraq and disbanding the Special Task Force charged with conducting covert operations. Osama bin Laden is apparently alive and well. ....

President Bush said Iraq had biological and chemical weapons and that nuclear fuel was being bought in Africa. An undercover CIA agent was outed.

Bush said if anyone in his administration leaked information, they would be dealt with.....

Bush announced “Mission accomplished.” Since then, 3,100 have been killed and 21,000 wounded. .....

At what point do we say high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed, President Pinocchio Bush?

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Send letters to the editor to letters@lacrossetribune.com
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:52 AM
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4. Impeach Bush, Nation of Islam chief demands
Not today's news, but worth the read anyday.

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Impeach Bush, Nation of Islam chief demands.
Kevin Krolicki, Detroit- February 27, 2007
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/impeach-bush-nation-of-islam-chief-demands/2007/02/26/1172338547432.html

IN A fiery speech promoted as his last, Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan has railed against the US invasion of Iraq, calling for the impeachment of President George Bush and urging the black community to avoid military service at all costs.

"What should they do about a man who has been lying to America?" Mr Farrakhan said. Then, turning to face Michigan Democrat John Conyers, who chairs the House Judiciary Committee and shared the stage in Detroit, he said: "If you won't impeach him, sanction him."

....

In his speech, Mr Farrakhan asked why Iraq was invaded. "Why did they kill Saddam? Why did they kill his sons? The real story is Saddam Hussein became an economic threat."

....more....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:58 AM
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5. From the Blogosphere: ...thoughts on impeachment...
Deadly Mantis
10 March 2007
http://deadlymantis.blogspot.com/2007/03/warning-extremely-long-politics-themed.html

WARNING - EXTREMELY LONG POLITICS-THEMED POST AHEAD



Democrats around the country are pushing Congress to impeach President Bush and Vice President Cheney. Their arguments, as best I can determine, are that Bush and Cheney are doing a terrible (even heinous) job, and that their conduct in the lead-up to the Iraq war (during which they misled the American public regarding weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as well as Iraq’s links to terrorists) constituted “high crimes and misdemeanors.”

As an active Democrat who was against the war from the beginning and who believes that the Bush administration actively sought to mislead the American public, let me explain why I believe impeachment is a bad idea.

First, I choose not to dwell on practical considerations like the utter impossibility of the U.S. Senate actually convicting the president. .....

.... more ......
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:07 AM
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7. "Progressives" giving up on Impeachment
"Progressives" giving up on Impeachment
http://www.pissedonpolitics.com/2007/03/progressives_giving_up_on_impe.htm

I listen to a lot of Air America and Progressive Talk Radio and lately it seems the hosts of some of the radio shows are shifting away from taking seriously the concept of impeaching President Cheney and Bush.

What scares me is the talking point they are parroting sounds like it came right out of the RNC Rove machine. Now, I don't for a minute think these people are taking their talking points from the right. On the contrary, I just think that right wing talking points percolate so strongly that they can even make it to the surface of such venues as Air America.

The talkiing point in question is this notion that even if we impeach Bush starting NOW, by the time the proceedings were over, he'd be out of office. So what's the point, right?

Well I think it does matter and I think the only ones who truly don't want to see Bush/Cheney impeached are Republicans. .....

...more..
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:17 AM
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10. The Emperor's New Whitewash = "...good buddies to investigate him..."
The Emperor's New Whitewash
Sunday, March 11, 2007
http://impeachbushcoalition.blogspot.com/2007/03/emperors-new-whitewash.html

Surprise, surprise, the administration is misusing its intelligence gathering powers.
.... this item of criminal cover-up:

Privacy Board Clears U.S. Spy Programs
.... administration decided it needed to police itself, so it set up a five-member Privacy and Civil Liberties Board in 2005. Last week, the board issued its report. Surprise, surprise, the illegal spying program got a clean bill of health.

.....

Bush appointed Dinkins, a Republican, to chair the board. A longtime friend of the Bush family, she was treasurer of Bush's first campaign for governor of Texas, and she is a longtime partner in the law firm of Vinson & Elkins, where Gonzales was once a partner.

... and, hey presto, no criminal activity here!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:01 AM
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6.  Impeachment: The Case in Favor = by Elizabeth Holtzman
February 12, 2007 issue The Nation
Impeachment: The Case in Favor by Elizabeth Holtzman
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070212/holtzman

Approximately a year ago, I wrote in this magazine that President George W. Bush had committed high crimes and misdemeanors and should be impeached and removed from office. His impeachable offenses include using lies and deceptions to drive the country into war in Iraq, deliberately and repeatedly violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) on wiretapping in the United States, and facilitating the mistreatment of US detainees in violation of the Geneva Conventions and the War Crimes Act of 1996.

Since then, the case against President Bush has, if anything, been strengthened by reports that he personally authorized CIA abuse of detainees. In addition, courts have rejected some of his extreme assertions of executive power.

...more...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:09 AM
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8. Movement to Impeach Gonzalez Gaining Steam
Movement to Impeach Gonzalez Gaining Steam
http://www.garnetdonkey.com/index.php/2007/03/11/movement-to-impeach-gonzalez-gaining-steam/

As the U.S. Attorney scandal grows and grows, the calls to impeach Bush Consigliere/”Attorney General” Alberto Gonzales are getting louder. Arlen Specter, the ranking minority member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said during a committee hearing that “One day there will be a new attorney general, maybe sooner rather than later.”

Then, there’s today’s lead editorial in the New York Times:

We opposed Mr. Gonzales’s nomination as attorney general. His résumé was weak, centered around producing legal briefs for Mr. Bush that assured him that the law said what he wanted it to say.

......more..
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:12 AM
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9. DAILY KOS: Impeach Gonzales by mcjoan
Impeach Gonzales by mcjoan
Sat Mar 10, 2007
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/3/10/223543/982

"Tomorrow's New York Times lead editorial:
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" During the hearing on his nomination as attorney general, Alberto Gonzales said he understood the difference between the job he held — President Bush’s in-house lawyer — and the job he wanted, which was to represent all Americans as their chief law enforcement officer and a key defender of the Constitution. Two years later, it is obvious Mr. Gonzales does not have a clue about the difference......"
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"....not only was he marginally qualified for the position, his slavish devotion to this president and his willingness to subvert every principle upon which this nation was founded to serve that president made him an extremely dangerous choice for that position.

"By all means, Bush should force Gonzales's resignation. That is not about to happen, so this Congress must be prepared to impeach this Attorney General."

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:22 AM
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11. Gonzales under fire, even from own party

Gonzales under fire, even from own party
News of FBI abuses caps tough week for attorney general
Dan Eggen, Washington Post - Sunday, March 11, 2007 - 04:00 PDT Washington
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2007/03/11/MNGGVOJBVH1.DTL&type=politics

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales met privately with top members of the Senate Judiciary Committee last week to offer an olive branch, but he did not seem too happy about it.

Gonzales had agreed to let Congress limit his powers and interview Justice Department officials as part of an escalating battle over the firings of eight U.S. attorneys. He knew that another scandal on FBI abuses was about to break, and that some GOP lawmakers were hinting he was in over his head.

"What else do you want us to do?" the normally taciturn Gonzales asked in exasperation, according to several officials with knowledge of Thursday's meeting.

.... more ....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:29 AM
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12. CBS VIDEO: Sen. Schumer Calls For Alberto Gonzales To Resign
Sen. Schumer Calls For Alberto Gonzales To Resign
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/11/schumer-gonzales/

Today on CBS’s Face the Nation, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign. Schumer said Gonzales has “been even more political than his predecessor, Attorney General Ashcroft,” and that Gonzales “either doesn’t accept or doesn’t understand that he is no longer just the president’s lawyer, but has a higher obligation to the rule of law and the Constitution, even when the president should not want it to be so.”

“For the sake of the nation,” Schumer said, “Attorney General Gonzales should step down.”


.... more...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:30 PM
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16. DU Discussions: Democratic senators say Gonzales should go....
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 01:43 PM by L. Coyote
maddezmom Sun Mar-11-07 10:42 AM
Democratic senators say Gonzales should go
DISCUSSION HERE: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2763357

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales should resign following disclosures of mass firings of federal prosecutors and a report the FBI improperly obtained information on private citizens, top Democratic senators said on Sunday.

In addition, a key Republican voiced concerns of his own about Gonzales and his embattled Justice Department, although he stopped short of calling for a resignation.

"I think we need a change in the top at the Justice Department," said Sen. Charles Schumer ......

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rodeodance Sat Mar-10-07 08:36 AM
Gonzales Tries to Mollify GOP Critics on Firings, FBI Missteps

DU Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2762332

---Gondo calls GOP-----wonder if he called any Dems???

Sen. Schumer Calls For Alberto Gonzales To Resign

Today on CBS’s Face the Nation, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) called on Attorney General Alberto Gonzales to resign.


By Paul Kane and Michael Abramowitz
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 10, 2007; Page A05

Under fire from lawmakers on Capitol Hill, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales scrambled to shore up support late this week, reassuring key Senate Republicans that he would address concerns about the firings of eight U.S. attorneys and the FBI's admission ......

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babylonsister Sun Mar-11-07 11:15 AM
On 'Face the Nation', Sen. Schumer Calls For Alberto Gonzales To Resign

DU Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3156276



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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:11 PM
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21. DUer ReadTomPaine: "...begin fast track impeachment proceedings against Alberto Gonzales."
ReadTomPaine Sat Mar-10-07 10:37 PM
Purging Alberto

DU Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x386690

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On December 15, 2006, former White House counsel John Dean published a prescient article regarding the pursuit of impeachment proceedings against the current administration. Instead of aiming for George W. Bush or Dick Cheney, he argued that the best approach to the process was to begin with lower level officials and dismantle the administration’s ability to commit further malfeasance from the ground up.

There was much subsequent debate over the wisdom of targeting lower-level officials. People rightfully argued that the dual source of the problem, the president and vice president themselves, would remain at large and be able to continue with only a minor pause to appoint replacements. Meanwhile, Democrats would have spent precious political capital & time on a pyrrhic victory, achieving little more than a symbolic gesture, purchased at a great political cost.

While I share much of this feeling, the spate of politically motivated purges against prosecutors across the country and recent Senate testimony regarding habeas corpus, FBI abuses and the purge itself have given sitting Democrats a golden opportunity to execute their first strike against the Bush political machine that would deeply impair the ability of the president to pursue his agenda. A strike that is much more certain to succeed in the current beltway environment than direct pursuit of the president. Democrats should begin fast track impeachment proceedings against Alberto Gonzales.

Why Alberto?

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......more......recommended.....
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 04:31 PM
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27. DUer Sabra: After Tough Week, Gonzales Says He Remains Focused
sabra Sun Mar-11-07 02:38 PM
After Tough Week, Gonzales Says He Remains Focused
DU Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2763495
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:11 PM
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31. DUer babylonsister: AG Gonzales feeling the heat from his own party
babylonsister Sun Mar-11-07 05:52 PM
DU discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3156831

AG Gonzales feeling the heat from his own party~

After Tough Week, Gonzales Says He Remains Focused
By Dan Eggen - Washington Post Staff Writer

The sharpest and most telling criticism, however, has come from Gonzales's own party......

Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr. (R-Wis.) said "there ought to be some heads that roll" over the FBI scandal....

Sen. John Ensign (R-Nev.)... told reporters: "I cannot tell you how upset I am at the Justice Department."

more...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:02 PM
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13. Find Impeach Bush Groups and Meetups near you… NEW Groups list
Find Activists to Impeach Bush and Impeach Bush Meetups near you…
http://impeachbush.meetup.com/

Newest

1.

The Santa Barbara Impeach Bush Meetup Group

Founded Mar 7, 2007
2.

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3.

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Founded Mar 1, 2007
4.

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Founded Feb 23, 2007
5.

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Founded Feb 22, 2007
6.

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Founded Feb 7, 2007
7.

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Founded Feb 2, 2007
8.

Impeach Bush/Cheney Meetup Group Of Denver & Colorado

Founded Jan 23, 2007
9.

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Founded Jan 8, 2007
10.

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Founded Dec 16, 2006

Largest

1.

The New York City Impeach Bush Meetup Group

553 Members
2.

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163 Members
3.

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157 Members
4.

The Broward County FL Impeach Bush Meetup Group

125 Members
5.

Dallas Democrats

119 Members
6.

The Philadelphia Impeach Bush Project

110 Members
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109 Members
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103 Members
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99 Members
10.

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93 Members


Popular Meetups with Activists to Impeach Bush

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Browse all topics

Or, see all Impeach Bush Meetup Groups.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:12 PM
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14.  Worldwide Impeach Bush Meetup Message Board
Worldwide Impeach Bush Meetup Message Board
http://pledgetoimpeach.org/


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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:51 PM
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17. Kick
(I can post later, L. Coyote. Thanks! :hi:)
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 01:53 PM
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18. Right on.
And I hit the road after tomorrow morning. We'll see then if this idea takes off.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 02:35 PM
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19. editorials: THE NATION = Bush's High Crimes "extralegal warrantless wiretaps"
I Googled "high crimes" Web instead of News, and this popped up. It may be fair to say the Nation is prophetic:

"... the New York Times's revelations of illegal wiretaps foretell an earthquake."

At the same time, one must ask "How long will it take for a correction of course given "extralegal warrantless wiretaps" and how many other crime revelations? The new additions to the list in just the last week may have the helmsman's wheel on Capital Hill spinning fast already!
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Bush's High Crimes
editorial | posted December 20, 2005 (January 9, 2006 issue)
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20060109/editors

"Choosing his words carefully, George W. Bush all but accused critics of his extralegal warrantless wiretaps of giving aid and comfort to Al Qaeda: "It was a shameful act, for someone to disclose this very important program in time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program is helping the enemy." If so, the ranks of the treasonous now include leaders of the President's own party, and the New York Times's revelations of illegal wiretaps foretell an earthquake...."

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:00 PM
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20. NYT Editorial: The Failed Attorney General
babylonsister Sun Mar-11-07 08:53 AM
DU Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x268024

The Failed Attorney General
Published: March 11, 2007

During the hearing on his nomination as attorney general, Alberto Gonzales said he understood the difference between the job he held — President Bush’s in-house lawyer — and the job he wanted, which was to represent all Americans as their chief law enforcement officer and a key defender of the Constitution. Two years later, it is obvious Mr. Gonzales does not have a clue about the difference......

NYT Editorial: The Failed Attorney General
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/11/opinion/11sun1.html?_r=3&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:14 PM
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22. K&R. Great thread.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:17 PM
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23. And Don't Forgert To Sign-Up Here:
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 03:18 PM by WillyT
Link: http://www.a28.org/

And check out the co-sponsors!

:hi:

Onedit: Kickin ta greatest page!!!

:bounce:
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:23 PM
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24. K&R
Thanks for the link!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 03:48 PM
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25. Ed Gold "The impeachers are really just wasting their breath."
Talking Point. By Ed Gold "The impeachers are really just wasting their breath."
http://www.thevillager.com/villager_200/talkingpoint.html
The Villager is published by Community Media LLC. 145 Sixth Avenue, New York, NY 10013

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The man at the bar turned to me and said: “Isn’t it about time we impeached Bush?”

My immediate response: “It’s a waste of time.”

..... the “Impeach Bush” campaign is in full swing, its blog showing this week that more than 850,000 had signed its impeachment petition....
The Internet campaign is sparked by the former attorney general, Ramsey Clark, recently counsel to the late Saddam Hussein.

... snip to this great line I could not pass up posting ....

"Nixon was a very different case. He committed specific crimes ... His crimes were legend."

.... more ...

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More on the "Legend" among Presidential Criminals at

"I’m Not a Crook"

The Public Face and Private Political Reality of Richard M. Nixon
A Discourse and Conversation Analysis of Some Nixon Tapes

http://jqjacobs.net/anthro/discourse.html



Nixon ordering Haldeman to break into the Brookings Institution.

N: They have a lot of material. I want--the way I want that handled Bob is get it over. I want Brooking. Just break in. Break in and take it out. You understand.

H: Yeah. But you have to get somebody to do it.



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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 04:08 PM
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26. POST-MORTEM Talking Points from the right wing.
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 04:14 PM by L. Coyote
DU Discussion Thread for this article started: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x268098

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"Talking Point" by Ed Gold
The impeachers are really just wasting their breath

"As for Bush, he did mislead us into war and he has played fast and loose with civil liberties with his extensive wiretapping, his secret prisons and his contempt for the Geneva Conventions. But presidents in wartime historically have taken liberties that violate decent behavior or circumvent the Constitution...."


Sounds like a post-mortem talking point: "Why 'Yes' the Constitution was circumvented by Bush, but everyone does it."
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 05:14 PM
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28. Thank you for this, L. Coyote.
K&R.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 10:51 PM
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30. I can start tomorrow's, then I'm on the road w/o connection. PARTICIPATE n/t
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burrowowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:04 PM
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29. K&R
A gazillion times worst than Watergate!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 11:26 PM
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32. "... How Much Evidence Do they Need Before Congress Begins...."
DUer Time for change - Sun Mar-11-07 09:33 PM
Discussion: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x391610

How Much Evidence Do they Need Before Congress Begins to Remove the Cancer on Our Nation? Updated at 9:33 PM

Whether one believes that the U.S. Congress should proceed directly to the impeachment of George Bush and Dick Cheney for their numerous crimes against the American people and our Constitution, or whether one believes that they should first formally “investigate” the Bush/Cheney crimes, it is important to ask how much evidence is needed before they ought to feel obligated to proceed with impeachment hearings.

A tremendous amount of damning evidence was already publicly available before the Democrats took over Congress this January, and Congressional investigations have turned up additional evidence since then. It seems to me that there is plenty more than enough evidence at this time to proceed with impeachment. In this post I briefly discuss eight areas of enquiry into impeachable offenses, ...

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:42 AM
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34. "From The White House To The Dog House For Bush" Coastal Post
Coastal Post Online
MARIN COUNTY'S NEWS MONTHLY - FREE PRESS
March, 2007 Second Edition
http://www.coastalpost.com/07/03/22.html

From The White House To The Dog House For Bush
By Edward W. Miller, MD

With November's transfer of the balance of power to the Democrats, plus growing public unhappiness with Bush's war in Iraq, now is the time for Americans to retake control of our country. .... two issues like two elephants in the Congressional chambers demand their place on the agenda: bringing our troops home from Iraq and impeaching the Bush-Cheney team.

Outgoing Representative Cynthia McKinney who, on December 12th, 2006, introduced an impeachment resolution in the House, saying, first addressed the latter issue:

"Mr. Speaker: Under the standards set by the United States Constitution, President Bush, along with Vice President Cheney, and Secretary of State Rice, should be subject to the process of impeachment, and I have filed H. Res.1106 in the House of Representatives. To my fellow Americans, as I leave this Congress, it is in your hands to hold your representatives accountable, and to show those with the courage to stand for what is right."

......

The power of impeachment has always been a vital part of the Constitution and was among the proposals first presented to the Constitutional Convention in 1787. Provisions relating to impeachment appear six times in text of the Constitution and once in an Amendment....

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:51 AM
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35. "America on its Knees Before Tyranny" ?? NOT
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 12:52 AM by L. Coyote
America on its Knees Before Tyranny
Richard Mynick
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/03/05/america_on_its_knees_before_tyranny

"... We have a Constitution which defines a separation of powers. It also defines procedures for impeaching officials who violate its bedrock principles -- in particular, its Bill of Rights, its separation of powers, and its foundational notion that power derives from the consent of the governed. We make elected officials swear an oath to "protect and defend" this Constitution. Why bother with all this, if, when the day of tyranny finally arrives, the Constitution's own provisions are not used to defend the document's principles against the would-be tyrants who have so egregiously violated them?

.....

"Today's America is no democracy -- it's a degenerating tyranny, disfigured by its military-industrial-governmental cancer. Our people are increasingly ashamed and terrified of their government, and rightly so, because we have no control over it, and it's become a deceitful monstrous danger to us and to the health of the planet. We're not "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." To the contrary: We, the people, are on our knees, cringing and whimpering in dismay and confusion, prostrate before the forces that have betrayed us."
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Aren't the people on their knees those begging not to be sentenced to jail time, impeached, etc., etc.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 06:39 AM
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36. Here's a recent post with lots of links to the ongoing investigations
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:03 AM
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37. Mar. 12 Daily Impeachment News: LINK
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:15 PM
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38. Kick.(nt)
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 06:37 PM
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39. Kick(nt)
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