How does moving Daylight Savings Time up 2 week save us $?

[southerncrone]

I've completely missed out on this concept. Can someone explain? Or is this one of Bush's misconceptions?

[WiseButAngrySara]

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[WiseButAngrySara]

2. Self Delete! How did this end up posted three times? LOL! ...n/t

[WiseButAngrySara]

3. No idea. Same question. Awaiting other's responses like you

are. What time is it anyway?

[Warpy]

7. It takes advantage of earlier light in the morning

and a lengthened after work or after school daylight period.

The latter is where the real savings occur. Instead of turning our lights on at 6 PM until 11PM, 5 hours, we'll turn them on from 7 to 11, 4 hours.

One hour of 300 million people not using their electric lights does save energy.

[NashVegas]

25. It's Not Light Earlier, Just Later

Friday when I woke up at 5am, the sky was already lightening up. Tomorrow morning, when I wake up at 5am, it will be dark.

[Warpy]

33. You misunderstood.

How early did it get light under each time system in December?

The sun is rising earlier every day this time of year.

[NashVegas]

39. I Don't Think So

Unless you meant how we gain an hour of early morning light in the autumn for sacrificing an hour of early evening light AND in the spring, gain an hour of evening light for the sacrifice of an hour of morning light.

The gradual increase of light during the say (approx 2 minutes?) is where the gain comes from in total hours, not the savings time.

The (obvious) increase in energy savings is that most people don't leave for work at 5:45 am. Farmers get up with the sun though, so it doesn't save them anything, either.

One thing I probably will appreciate about this is I'll only have the sun blazing in my eyes, as I drive into work, for a couple of weeks and not have to repeat the experience after the time switch.

[Warpy]

40. It also saves farmers after the equinox

when they rise with daylight and have prolonged daylight in the evening.

Also, what percentage of our population is now agricultural?

You're trying to disprove a norm using an exception. It never works that way.

[twiceshy]

36. Been working on DST savings since 4:30 this AM

As have scores of other folks at my company. We have held dozens of meetings and spent 100's of hours on remediation. Estimates are $500,000-1,000,000 for fixing this issue. Thanks congress, for nothing.

[havocmom]

4. Americans don't have to turn on lights when watching American Idol

:shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

5. It's about promoting the outdoor industry

Golfing, sports industry, etc.
When there is daylight when people get off of work, they spend more money.

[EstimatedProphet]

27. Exactly, so it doesn't save us one penny!

[Captain Hilts]

29. More people use lights at 7pm than 6am, hence the energy savings.

Evidently, car wrecks are fewer, including those with pedestrians, because of greater visibility.

[EstimatedProphet]

32. True

That saves us money after all. However, I think on average we end up spending it somewhere else.

[mcscajun]

6. Nobody, including Bush, knows for certain.

He signed the Energy Policy Act of 2005 which changed the dates, and the Department of Energy is to conduct a study to see what the impact is and report back to Congress. Congress retains the right to resume the 2005 Daylight Saving Time schedule once the Department of Energy study is complete.

http://webexhibits.org/daylightsaving/b.html

[southerncrone]

10. So how much $ is the DOE study going to cost us....

my guess is more than any "savings". Yet another con from this jakass!
How are we going to rid ourselves of this demon emperor?!?
2 yrs is soooooo long!
:grr:

[kiahzero]

8. It shifts sleep schedules so we're awake for more of the day.

The sun rose at 6:30am on Saturday, but 7:30am on Sunday. By moving DST up two weeks, people need electric lighting for one less hour a day for those two weeks, thus saving money.

[southerncrone]

11. Household lighting is the smallest consumption of power in a household.

How about investing in solar power to heat our water. THAT would save some energy!
What a joke he is!

[kiahzero]

15. I imagine city lighting is pretty expensive per hour.

Street lights don't need to go on until twilight.

[hfojvt]

38. they stay on all night anyway though

and the length of the night does not change. It may change peak usage times, and thus save money for the electric company.

[gratuitous]

9. It doesn't

That's the short answer. There was a study back in the 1960s that purported to show a signficant energy savings when the switchover is made, and apparently that's the study the Do Nothing Congress of 2006 relied on to fuck up about the only piece of legislation they could pass during their misbegotten session. More recent studies have shown that whatever "saving" is realized in the evening hours is pretty much offset by an increase of energy use in the morning hours. It's a wash.

But the early changeover did pour a lot of money into the pockets of IT geeks trying to adjust technological products to the change, so they got that going for them. And it gave the news programs a snappy, ready-made story fit for bringing back memories of the Great Y2K Scare.

[southerncrone]

13. Also another great diversion story

to take the heat of Scooter & Cheney, Iraq War, Repuke candidates numerous wives & lovers, & any other Repuke scandals that might be in the news.

[prolesunited]

19. This was passed in 2005

The powers that be have an amazing ability to see into the future to know that they would need to have this to pre-empt what has developed since then.

[lilymidnite]

16. Pour a lot of money into the pockets of IT geeks?

Wrong. I don't know *any* IT geek that gets paid for overtime. My damnable employer has gotten 100 hours of unpaid overtime out of me the last 4 weeks to fix Daylight Saving Time stuff.

Fortunately I'm saying goodbye to HAL this week and going to work for another place, one that doesn't extract as much unpaid slave labor out of its people.

Enjoy your long day folks, I'm sitting (unpaid) watching error logs today.

[gratuitous]

41. Well, if you like working for free

But I'm guessing that your employer is making sure to bill your time.

[valerief]

12. Arbitrage

http://www.taemag.com/issues/articleID.18580/article_detail.asp

Downing explains that “without Daylight Saving, the commodities, stock, and bond traders on Wall Street could expect no opportunity at all for arbitrage—buying securities on one market for immediate resale in another market at an advantageous price and profiting by the price discrepancy.” The time change gave traders one hour in which the London Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange were both open.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbitrage

[southerncrone]

21. Bingo, valerief!

By George, I think you're on to something here! This is the most believable reason for this ploy.
But makes me wonder what's in store for our market that 2 weeks will make such a difference.
Our economy is in for a strike already.

[valerief]

22. I'm nervous, but then, I always am. nt

[AnnInLa]

14. I heard Pat Buchanan say that definitely,

this was lobbied by the Chamber of Commerce. It gives an extra hour of daylight at the end of the day to go to the mall. When a person gets off of work, or school, they need to get home to do the things they have to do there. But, if they have an extra hour of daylight, they will stop at the store/stores. An extra hour of daylight also makes a person feel better, so they spend money.

How do you like being manipulated for corporate America?

[southerncrone]

18. Right, America just needs to go shopping & forget about 9/11...

How could I not remember that sage advice? And how accommodating of our illustrious leader!
:eyes:

[Toucano]

17. US Representative Edward J. Markey (D-MA) introduced the idea.

So it isn't all about Bush.

In most locations, it saves energy by delaying the hour when most people typically have to turn on lights.

The study, however, was out of date (mostly because it didn't take into consideration the longer commutes that already force people to rise earlier).

More info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time

[BlueStateBlue]

20. I don't care why they're doing it - I like it!

More daylight just feels like more life to me. I don't really care for hot summer weather, but I enjoy the extra daylight.

[Mojorabbit]

37. I love it too

and so does hubby. More time to spend outdoors after work playing while there is daylight.

[donsu]

23. I hate daylight saving time - I've always hated daylight saving time

it's an assbackward way to do things.

[The Cleaner]

24. Any energy savings in household/commercial lighting is likely offset

by a mass increase in people driving to the shopping malls after work, cutting grass, revving up their powerboats and jetskis around the lake after hours, etc.

[Algorem]

26. Moloch wants it that way

gives his worshippers time to get to the Bohemian Grove by dark for the night rituals

[NashVegas]

28. It Doesn't Save Us $$ - It Helps Commerce Make More

According to the congressional testimony in 1985, the golf industry estimated an extra month of daylight saving would amount to US$200-million in extra equipment sales and green fees. Even barbecue manufacturers came forward saying it could amount to an additional US$100-million in grill and charcoal briquette sales.

“These guys are just like madmen of math on how they’re going to profit,” Mr. Downing said in an interview home in Massachusetts, where he teaches English at Tufts University. “The retail industry in general and the sports and recreation manufacturers in particular have always been big beneficiaries.”

The travel industry, from motels, hotels, and attractions, should also benefit, as will convenience stores, he said. Forbes magazine estimated after the month extension in 1986, sales at 7-11 stores increased by $30-million to $50-million.

“Women feel safer in urban areas to shop on their way home when there’s light,” Mr. Downing said. “They’ve known that from the beginning and that’s why big cities adopted daylight savings even when smaller rural areas wouldn’t take it.”

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=998e1cc7-e896-44bd-9d14-726fc7c4b5f5&k=19982

[Clark2008]

30. It was moved up 3 weeks and back one week - for a total of

four weeks extra Daylight Savings Time.

Why?

The practice of Daylight Saving Time was enacted to save in the economical use of the production of energy.

In the average home, 25 percent of all the electricity we use is for lighting and small appliances, such as TVs, VCRs and stereos. A good percentage of energy consumed by lighting and appliances occurs in the evening when families are home. By moving the clock ahead one hour, we can cut the amount of electricity we consume each day.

However, this practice fails during the four darkest months of the year, November through February. According to research, by shifting time ahead one hour, many more people take advantage of the extra hour of daylight and are less prone to indoor activities which in turn, use less electricity. Studies done in the 1970s by the U.S. Department of Transportation show that we trim the entire country's electricity usage by about one percent EACH DAY with Daylight Saving Time. This translates to the saving of about 10,000 barrels of oil per day while on DST.

http://www.wtoctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=5893867

P.S. Even if it only saves a modicum of electricity, it's fine. Besides, I'd rather have more daylight when I got home from work. I wish they'd just leave it this time all year instead of moving back to Standard Time. Kids still have to stand in the dark to catch a school bus during the winter, anyway, because they've adjusted many school report times to coincide with working families who have to arrive at work by 8 a.m.

[wellstone dem]

31. I'm glad they shifted the time

it's safer for me to walk home in the light, and it will now be light when I walk home. so I won't have to drive to work and pay parking. Saves me money.

[Katherine Brengle]

35. It seems to have cheered me up as well...

I didn't realize just how ick I was feeling this winter until today I felt better... weird.

[donsu]

34. in the beginning they wanted DST for the protection of school children

that was what they pushed. kids had to go to school and wait for buses in the dark, being prey to pedophiles.

parents should have seen to their kids protection not changing the whole countries time.

but business barons rule.

[TahitiNut]

43. Cite? Link?

:eyes:

[donsu]

45. no link, I was there and that was all the talk and articles

protection for children.

maybe researching newspapers of that time would help you.

(Wash. D.C. papers were the ones I read and TV news I watched)

[doc03]

42. I don't care I love it!

[Deja Q]

44. Because, during daylight, we're not using as many light bulbs...

It's also been said the Daylight Saving Time adjustment will save 100k barrels/day...

Unfortunately, those stats were made around 30 years ago...

Let's hope it works.