Freeper logic: "Blame Democrats for Iraq War"

[blitzen]

in case you're somewhat confused, this genius clarifies the whole thing: Bush merely "recommended" the War; the Dems "made it happen."



http://www.timesonline.com/site/news.cfm?newsid=18061597&BRD=2305&PAG=461&dept_id=478566&rfi=6


Do Nagy and all the other impeachment advocates not know that it is the current group of Democrats in office - Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, et-al - who put our troops in Iraq.

President Bush recommended the war, but Congress overwhelmingly legalized it, made it happen. That is their example.

"An equally valid and perhaps even superior way" to stop the war, then, would be to impeach Congress itself. They could then wash their hands of the matter they caused and could bathe in ignominy again.

It is the Nagys of America and the media who undermine our ability to prevail in Iraq. We are at war - an overly Democratically-started war.

Peter Homitz
Monaca

[skipos]

1. Yep. AND Bush wants an immediate withdrawl NOW. It is those pesky Dems

and their 1 seat majority in the senate that are foiling Bush's plan for peace.

This guy should work for Faux News.

[Betty]

2. right, there were no repuglicans in the Congress at the time.

100% dems... it's a wonder bush got anything he wanted these last six years.

[Rex]

3. No surprise, how can we expect the political enemy to 'see it our way'?

Their propaganda masters will always spin things against us, because their overall goal is to destroy the Democratic Party by any means necessary. Lies? Oh please, those are the easiest things they get away with. I can't believe they got away with 9/11. Well, I can NOW 4 years after the invasion of Iraq.

[Cha]

4. Yeah, Fuck the freepers..

I just saw "Shut Up And Sing" at our local theater. The Art Center held a fundraiser and we had a fantastic turnout in our little town.

I feel emotionally drained because I, along with all of you, was there from the beginning. One part of the doc showed the free republic had organized a ban on The Chicks cds but Truth To The Power will out and the Dixie Chicks are World Famous in a true way in spite of the best efforts of the brainwashed inconsequentials.

If anyone hasn't seen this yet I recommend it with Five Patriotic Stars! :kick::patriot: :kick::patriot: :kick::patriot: :kick::patriot::kick:

[The Magistrate]

5. Unfortunately, Sir

That logic is hardly confined to Free Republic. It can be found where-ever A.N.S.W.E.R. or the like holds a rally, in any issue of 'counterpunch' or simlar journals, and in many other ostensibly left venues.

[CTyankee]

7. I am interested in hearing more about A.N.S.W.E.R. since I have

no information about this organization. What is it?

[The Magistrate]

10. It Is An Old Line Marxist Front, Sir

They have pushed themselves to the front on occassions in organizing demonstrations against the war in Iraq, though they invariably clutter them up with a good deal more from the 'ultra' grab bag. At heart they are revolutionists, and attack the left and center more then the right.

[CTyankee]

16. Interesting. I remember Marxists from the 60s and early 70s,

what is the modern day Marxist professing? Now, since state socialism a la Stalin has been torn down, what is the new Marxism? Is this a "revised" version of the 1930s model? Is anything new with Marxism? I must confess my days in academia have ceased, so I have no pipeline into modern Marxist thought...

[Ms. Clio]

20. yes, like the Washington Post, and those notoriously Marxist poli-sci professors

It's Uphill for the Democrats
They Need a Global Strategy, Not Just Tactics for Iraq
By Tony Smith
Sunday, March 11, 2007

The Democrats' victory last November obviously reflected popular sentiment against the war in Iraq, but nothing seems obvious now as Democrats try to exploit their new majority status in Congress.

Iraq had flustered the congressional Democrats because Democrats don't have an agreed position on what America's role in the world should be. They want to change the Bush administration's policy in Iraq without discussing the underlying ideas that produced it. And although they now cast themselves as alternatives to President Bush, the fact is that prevailing Democratic doctrine is not that different from the Bush-Cheney doctrine.

Many Democrats, including senators who voted to authorize the war in Iraq, embraced the idea of muscular foreign policy based on American global supremacy and the presumed right to intervene to promote democracy or to defend key U.S. interests long before 9/11, and they have not changed course since. Even those who have shifted against the war have avoided doctrinal questions.

But without a coherent alternative to the Bush doctrine, with its confidence in America's military preeminence and the global appeal of "free market democracy," the Democrats' midterm victory may not be repeated in November 2008. Or, if the Democrats do win in 2008, they could remain staked to a vision of a Pax Americana strikingly reminiscent of Bush's.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/09/AR2007030901884.html

[Prophet 451]

6. The words "Freeper" and "logic" don't go together n/t

[luckyleftyme2]

8. AMEN

AMEN TO THAT- LOOK AT THE OIL DEAL CHINA JUST MADE WITH CHAVEZ!-BUSH DIDN'T WANT IT CUZ HIS PUPPET MASTERS COULDN'T STEAL IT!

[BlooInBloo]

9. Rule #1 of Being A Good Republican: It's NEVER your fault.

[billybob537]

12. it's always

Wait for it!!!!



THE CLINTON'S

[BlooInBloo]

13. holding... holding... RELEASE! lolol

[L. Coyote]

11. POST-MORTEM Talking Points from the right wing.

DU Discussion Thread for this article started: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x268098

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"Talking Point" by Ed Gold
The impeachers are really just wasting their breath


"As for Bush, he did mislead us into war and he has played fast and loose with civil liberties with his extensive wiretapping, his secret prisons and his contempt for the Geneva Conventions. But presidents in wartime historically have taken liberties that violate decent behavior or circumvent the Constitution...."
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Gold goes on to discuss Democratic presidents circumventing the Consttution in times of war.
The day has arrived to coin the text string "right-wing post-mortem talking point" and Ed Gold should get part of the credit!

My redaction goes like this, "Why 'Yes' the Constitution was circumvented by Bush, but everyone does it."

[GrantDem]

14. They're right...

If the Dems weren't wasting time with handouts to the gun industry, big pharma, pushing anti-gay marriage legislation, flag-burning bills, and Terri Schiavo the repubs could have had us out of Iraq a long time ago.

:sarcasm:

[Blue-Jay]

15. Freeper logic: "Everything that is fucked up is the fault of the Democrat party."

(my misuse of grammar was intentional, in case you wondered)

[Nikki Stone1]

17. Show the Freepers this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x389816

[SalmonChantedEvening]

18. How can you argue with thinking like that?

Thinking :rofl: shame on me.

Everybody knows (or will know once thy're told to know by Rove and Ailes) that Repugs in Congress fought Bush tooth and nail on this. :eyes:

[PerfectSage]

19. That's either sarcasm or an absurdity. I'm not sure what it is?

:shrug: