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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:17 PM
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Keep talking.
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 06:23 PM by The Witch
This afternoon I logged on to Yahoo to check my e-mail. "Democratic Senators call for Gonzales to step down," read the headline in the news section. I remember thinking, "Wow! Has it gotten that far? I thought there was no chance of such a thing happening!"

A little later, sitting in the Starbucks reading Obama's new book, I came across a passage that irked me.



When Democrats rush up to me at events and insist that we live in the worst of political times, that a creeping fascism is closing its grip around our throats, I may mention the internment of Japanese Americans under FDR, the Alien and Sedition Acts under John Adams, or a hundred years of lynching under several dozen administrations as having been possibly worse, and suggest we all take a deep breath. ... (The conspiracy theories' purpose) is not to persuade the other side but to keep their bases agitated and assured of the rightness of their respective causes.



On one level, I agreed with him. This wasn't fascism. And I certainly was part of an agitated base. But at the same time, I felt Obama was too sucked into his "new politics" to think of how heartless the results of his easy optimism were. I mean, fact: People sitting in coffeehouses just like the one I was sitting in, albeit in Baghdad, were far more likely to be blown to bits before their next sip of frappucino. And children would be orphaned. And radical militants would be made. A policy with such results was as bad as any fascism I could imagine.

And I had long thought that Bushco had refined the jackbooted fascism that we recall from Hitler's Germany. I imagined Karl Rove with a lightbulb over his head, thinking, "Aha! Here is how we can gain absolute power without being stopped!

"The key is this: We need not silence voices that oppose ours-- we need only marginalize them. If we ensure that the voices of the opposition are heard only on the sidelines, if they are called the background noise of fanatics, it will achieve the same end as censorship. No one will take seriously the ideas that really represent a danger to us. We need not subvert the First Amendment to have all the power we ever wanted. In fact, it's better for us. If the arguments are out there, we can call them foolish and marginalize them; if we tried to suppress them, sooner or later one would break through, and we would then be powerless to stop it."

And I had thought they'd succeeded, quite frankly. A part of me had to acknowledge the genius of such a plot. They'd managed to create an iron-fisted regime that would never be called as much to its face, not by the people who matter. And senators like Obama would point to just those discrepancies to argue against the very idea that something was really, terribly, radically wrong. Rove had won.

But now then, if this new fascism were truly in place, could we have gotten to the point where Gonzales might actually feel pressure to resign?

That's their weak point, I realized. They think they can have their fascism despite that pesky First Amendment. But they underestimate its power.

It's been our pressure, our voices that have gotten us this far. It's been the power of freedom of speech, that nuisance they thought they could control with their psy-ops. We've gotten rid of Rumsfeld, of Libby, of the Republican control of the House (and to some extent the Senate). By talking. And writing. And blogging. And sometimes shouting. The First Amendment is more powerful than they realized. They've always underestimated the importance of free speech-- just look at what Newt once said about it needing limits-- but they have also underestimated its power.

And how I wish it had worked more quickly and more lives could have been saved. But I suppose that freedom is a less convenient, slower-moving beast than force. And that is, after all, the way we prefer it.

So keep talking.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:22 PM
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1. Thank you for your inspiring post, The Witch! Recommend! nt
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:24 PM
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2. Beautiful post, Witch
:hi:

Recommended!
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CrazyOrangeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:24 PM
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3. kick.
and keep talking . . .
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:30 PM
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4. I agree, the power of the pen is an awesome power!
The framers were smarter than BushCo! They expected BushCo. They knew how to win in a war against a King George.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:34 PM
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5. Ain't THAT the truth!
:applause:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:52 PM
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7. The plain truth is what Bush and his gang fear the most.
Their entire operation is based on lies and misdirection.(stagecraft) When you think about the things you write on the internet, having the power to make someone out there in cyberspace whom you've never even met, laugh or cry or THINK, you will start to realize the awesome power you have, there at your fingertips. We are indeed living in a new age. The politicians and their owners fear the internet and I believe if not for the money it generates for it's providers and the people who sell their goods VIA the internet, the BushCo mob and their corporate masters would rub it out in a twinkling of an eye.

They would like nothing better than to shut us up.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:51 PM
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6. Exactly!
Kicked and recommended.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 08:44 PM
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8. This was a tonic to read
after reading big posts about what DU "should" be like, or "used to" be like, or other such things.

Keep talking, be aware of the frames without being reactive to them, and trust in the promise of open government of, by, and for the people.

Thanks!
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 09:07 PM
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9. What a "picker-upper"!
Yes!.. and YES again!

Keep making the noise. It is our surest protection. Keep government slow and people fast...
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 09:11 PM
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10. Two things
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 09:12 PM by Morgana LaFey
I cannot abide anyone purportedly on "our" side using rightwing talking points to denigrate others on "our" side:

(The conspiracy theories' purpose) is not to persuade the other side but to keep their bases agitated and assured of the rightness of their respective causes.

With THAT, Obama is literally so OVER for me he can never, and I mean NEVER recover. Hah! This "overness" goes beyond even Hillary's refusal to apologize for IWR, which is serious and abiding. Obama and his DLC-lovin' ass can go --- somewher else. He'll never the President, and I'm thrilled about that.

Second, and this is IMPORTANT. This fight isn't over, folks. We haven't "won," and in fact don't even have the right people in place TO win. Some (may apply to OP or not) seem to think that because we won in November and the Bushies have suffered some recent losses and/or exposures that everything's coming up roses for us, that democracy prevails and WILL prevail.

It's NOT over, folks. Another 9-11 or even far less serious event on our soil would enable him to declare martial law, and then -- with everything already in place (incl. internment camps, federalization of the national guard troops, all sorts of favoriable laws such as The Patriot Act, and much, MUCH more incl signing statements that already allege he's above the law) -- we're pretty much a totalitarian dictatorship from that point on.

I hope I'm not overreacting. Just pleast don't underestimate what's possible on the downside.
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 06:04 AM
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11. This IS fighting.
Enough people say to Obama "You say that and it's OVER" and he will change his tune. That's the power of speech.
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Morgana LaFey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-13-07 12:58 PM
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15. Sigh. You missed my point, and that's my fault.
It's a BIG point -- because it's a big problem. Trust me: A little "speech" thrown at Obama here and there or even any one else, or even the lot of them, is NOT going to make the kind of difference in the problem I was speaking of.

Here, read this. It's long, and OT in places, but it's a darned good overview of what we're REALLY up against (minus the power grabs of this administration, that is -- that's another whole story):

There's a little flash animation at the top of the page when you get there, then click on the "begin here" or whatever when that's through:
http://www.dunwalke.com/
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 06:06 AM
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12. Preach to the choir.
That's how you get the choir to sing.

:toast:
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The Witch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 09:24 AM
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14. I'll drink to that!
:toast:

(happy witch celebrity-worships will, is happy to have him comment on thread)


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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:08 AM
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13. Keep talking!
good one, thanks!
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