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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:44 PM
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I still hear people complain about Al Gore claiming to have "created the internet"
which he never said. *SIGH* Why do people continue to say stupid stuff like that.

Also, I was talking about An Inconvenient Truth with some people and they said they don't believe what his movie says because his houses uses a ton more energy than the average family home.

So frustrating.

Does anyone have some links for me with info to throw at people re his house?

I really like Al Gore and I would love it if he ran again in '08. But I get garbage like that when I try to get people to watch my DVD of An Inconvenient Truth.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:46 PM
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1. See prior thread: we'll need this info to debunk an old lie on Al Gore
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:47 PM
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2. Here's information:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:50 PM
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5. That absolutely rocks
thanks - thanks to other poster too :D
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:55 PM
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6. You're welcome. I'm especially fond of that first Huff Post article! NT
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:48 PM
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3. Every time Gores name is mentioned at my work the republicans say that: He invented the internet
Its the only thing they can whine about apparently because all of them do it. As far as Gores house that is totally irrelevant and it's a way to avoid the issue by attacking the messenger. It's what they do. It's SOP for them.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:49 PM
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4. I don't know
Why do people say Kerry said he would have voted for the war if he knew there were no WMD or that he said the troops were stupid. Some people, even at DU, have a different agenda.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:56 PM
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7. I prefer the "weak-minded" explanation here. Repeating is easier than thinking...
... Just like going along with evil is easier than standing against it.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 06:59 PM
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8. I would respond to that by
saying.."I'm sorry you're being taken in by the big rw propoganda lie machine". "Al Gore never said he invented the internet because he didn't but he did have an early imput into encouraging us to go that way." "Because Al Gore is an intelligent man". "His home is Green and that costs more especially with his and Tipper's offices there."

"Ya Dumb Shits!" No, I wouldn't say that!
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:03 PM
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9. I think Gore should just take credit for inventing the internet!
Hell, it's a great invention!





I'm kidding you. I'm a kidder.
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 07:05 PM
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10. I'm glad he did it!!
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 07:07 PM by pocoloco
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 08:07 PM
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11. Dont forget the
Anti tornado & Hurricane machine Gore was instrumental in developing.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 08:47 PM
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12. Gore's funding moved ARPANET/NSFnet into being the "internet" - w/o Gore it wouldn't have happen
Edited on Sun Mar-11-07 08:48 PM by papau
all that quickly and the Internet may well have been stuck in the field of computer science rather than becoming quickly the tool we all now use. Who knows if the US would have taken the lead in web work without his 1991 bill that funded the transition to the internet - a bill that took a couple of years to get the Congress to pass.

The Blitzer interview's "took the initiative in creating the Internet" line was not researched or understood by a major media that simply repeated GOP talking points.

All Gore per the Congressional Information Service database, in 1986, called for, in the context of funding for the NSF, support for basic research in computer networking:

MR. PRESIDENT, IT GIVES ME GREAT PLEASURE TO SUPPORT THE PROPOSED NATIONAL SCIENCE FOUNDATION AUTHORIZATION ACT.

WITHIN THIS BILL I HAVE TWO AMENDMENTS, THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY AND THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT REPORT. THE FIRST AMENDMENT WAS ORIGINALLY INTRODUCED WITH SENATOR GORTON AS S. 2594. IT CALLS FOR A 2-YEAR STUDY OF THE CRITICAL PROBLEMS AND CURRENT AND FUTURE OPTIONS REGARDING COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS FOR RESEARCH COMPUTERS. THE SECOND AMENDMENT REQUIRES THE PRESIDENT TO SUBMIT A REPORT TO CONGRESS ON THE ACTIONS TAKEN TO ESTABLISH AN INTERNATIONAL YEAR OF THE GREENHOUSE EFFECT.

BOTH OF THESE AMENDMENTS SEEK NEW INFORMATION ON CRITICAL PROBLEMS OF TODAY. THE COMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT IS DESIGNED TO ANSWER CRITICAL QUESTIONS ON THE NEEDS OF COMPUTER TELECOMMUNICATIONS SYSTEMS OVER THE NEXT 15 YEARS. FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT ARE THE FUTURE REQUIREMENTS FOR COMPUTERS IN TERMS OF QUANTITY AND QUALITY OF DATA TRANSMISSION, DATA SECURITY, AND SOFTWEAR COMPATIBILITY? WHAT EQUIPMENT MUST BE DEVELOPED TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE HIGH TRANSMISSION RATES OFFERED BY FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS?

BOTH SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO HANDLE THE SPECIAL NEEDS OF SUPERCOMPUTERS AND SYSTEMS DESIGNED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF SMALLER RESEARCH COMPUTERS WILL BE EVALUATED. THE EMPHASIS IS ON RESEARCH COMPUTERS, BUT THE USERS OF ALL COMPUTERS WILL BENEFIT FROM THIS STUDY. TODAY, WE CAN BANK BY COMPUTER, SHOP BY COMPUTER, AND SEND LETTERS BY COMPUTER. ONLY A FEW COMPANIES AND INDIVIDUALS USE THESE SERVICES, BUT THE NUMBER IS GROWING AND EXISTING CAPABILITIES ARE LIMITED.

IN ORDER TO COPE WITH THE EXPLOSION OF COMPUTER USE IN THE COUNTRY, WE MUST LOOK TO NEW WAYS TO ADVANCE THE STATE-OF-THE-ART IN TELECOMMUNICATIONS -- NEW WAYS TO INCREASE THE SPEED AND QUALITY OF THE DATA TRANSMISSION. WITHOUT THESE IMPROVEMENTS, THE TELECOMMUNICATION NETWORKS FACE DATA BOTTLENECKS LIKE THOSE WE FACE EVERY DAY ON OUR CROWDED HIGHWAYS.

THE PRIVATE SECTOR IS ALREADY AWARE OF THE NEED TO EVALUATE AND ADOPT NEW TECHNOLOGIES. ONE PROMISING TECHNOLOGY IS THE DEVELOPMENT OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS FOR VOICE AND DATA TRANSMISSION. EVENTUALLY WE WILL SEE A SYSTEM OF FIBER OPTIC SYSTEMS BEING INSTALLED NATIONWIDE.

AMERICA'S HIGHWAYS TRANSPORT PEOPLE AND MATERIALS ACROSS THE COUNTRY. FEDERAL FREEWAYS CONNECT WITH STATE HIGHWAYS WHICH CONNECT IN TURN WITH COUNTY ROADS AND CITY STREETS. TO TRANSPORT DATA AND IDEAS, WE WILL NEED A TELECOMMUNICATIONS HIGHWAY CONNECTING USERS COAST TO COAST, STATE TO STATE, CITY TO CITY. THE STUDY REQUIRED IN THIS AMENDMENT WILL IDENTIFY THE PROBLEMS AND OPPORTUNITIES THE NATION WILL FACE IN ESTABLISHING THAT HIGHWAY.

In 1988, Gore argued for the creation of a high-capacity national data network:

THIS LEGISLATION TAKES THE FIRST CRITICAL STEPS TO ADDRESS THOROUGHLY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN PROMOTING HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING. OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS, WE CAN REFINE THIS LEGISLATION. BUT WE MUST ACT. THE UNITED STATES HAS MAYBE A 1-YEAR LEAD OVER OUR CLOSEST COMPETITORS IN THE HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING FIELD. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO HESITATE IN CRAFTING A BLUEPRINT TO ENSURE THAT LEAD FOR THE <*S16898> NEXT DOZEN YEARS OF THIS CENTURY AND TO POSITION OURSELVES FOR THE NEXT CENTURY. REPRESENTATIVES FROM INDUSTRY, ACADEMIA, AND FEDERAL AGENCIES SHOULD DISCUSS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, USING THIS BILL AS A FRAMEWORK FOR ACTION.

THE NATIONAL HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY ACT OF 1988 WOULD EXPAND AND IMPROVE FEDERAL SUPPORT FOR RESEARCH, DEVELOPMENT AND THE APPLICATION OF HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTER TECHNOLOGY. SPECIFICALLY, THIS ACT WOULD ESTABLISH A HIGH-CAPACITY NATIONAL RESEARCH COMPUTER NETWORK, DEVELOP AND DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE, DEVELOP ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE PROGRAMS, STIMULATE THE DEVELOPMENT OF HARDWARE, AND INVEST IN BASIC RESEARCH AND EDUCATION.

THE ACT WOULD DEFINE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT'S ROLE IN HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING. THE ACT WOULD PROVIDE FOR A 3-GIGABIT-PER-SECOND NATIONAL NETWORK, DEVELOP FEDERAL STANDARDS, TAKE INTO ACCOUNT USER VIEWS, EXAMINE TELECOMMUNICATIONS POLICY, BUILD AN INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE COMPOSED OF DATA BASES AND KNOWLEDGE BANKS, CREATE A NATIONAL SOFTWARE CORPORATION TO DEVELOP IMPORTANT SOFTWARE PROGRAMS, ESTABLISH A CLEARINGHOUSE TO VALIDATE AND DISTRIBUTE SOFTWARE, PROMOTE ARTICIFIAL INTELLIGENCE DATA BASES, INCREASE RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS, STUDY EXPORT CONTROLS AFFECTING COMPUTERS, REVIEW PROCUREMENT POLICIES TO STIMULATE THE COMPUTER INDUSTRY, AND ENHANCE COMPUTER SCIENCE EDUCATION PROGRAMS. IT ALSO CLEARLY DEFINES AGENCY MISSIONS AND RESPONSIBILITIES WITH RESPECT TO HIGH-PERFORMANCE COMPUTING.

Gore made explicit the need for high-speed networking, specifically a 3-gigabit per second national network. During the late 1980s and early 1990s, the term "information superhighway" became a sort of mantra in Gore's speeches. Gore's remarks in 1989:

THREE YEARS AGO, ON THE 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM, I SPONSORED THE SUPERCOMPUTER NETWORK STUDY ACT TO EXPLORE A FIBER OPTIC NETWORK TO LINK THE NATION'S SUPERCOMPUTERS INTO ONE SYSTEM. HIGH-CAPACITY FIBER OPTIC NETWORKS WILL BE THE INFORMATION SUPERHIGHWAYS OF TOMORROW. A NATIONAL NETWORK WITH ASSOCIATED SUPERCOMPUTERS AND DATA BASES WILL LINK ACADEMIC RESEARCHERS AND INDUSTRY IN A NATIONAL COLABORATORY. THIS INFORMATION INFRASTRUCTURE WILL CLUSTER RESEARCH CENTERS AND BUSINESSES AROUND NETWORK INTERCHANGES, USING THE NATION'S VAST DATA BANKS AS THE BUILDING BLOCKS FOR INCREASING INDUSTRIAL PRODUCTIVITY, CREATING NEW PRODUCTS, AND IMPROVING ACCESS TO EDUCATION. LIBRARIES, RURAL SCHOOLS, MINORITY INSTITUTIONS, AND VOCATIONAL EDUCATION PROGRAMS WILL HAVE ACCESS TO THE SAME NATIONAL RESOURCES -- DATA BASES, SUPERCOMPUTERS, ACCELERATORS -- AS MORE AFFLUENT AND BETTER KNOWN INSTITUTIONS.

CAN WE RELY ON THE MARKET SYSTEM TO PROVIDE THIS KIND OF INFRASTRUCTURE? WE CERTAINLY COULDN'T WHERE THE INTERSTATE HIGHWAY SYSTEM WAS CONCERNED, ALTHOUGH PRIVATE INDUSTRY ULTIMATELY BENEFITED A GREAT DEAL FROM THE GOVERNMENT'S LEADERSHIP AND INVESTMENT. I BELIEVE THAT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT MUST AGAIN BE A CATALYST, TO GET COMPANIES INTERESTED IN THOSE INFORMATION NETWORKS AND SHOW THEM THAT THERE IS A MARKET OUT THERE. CLEARLY, THE TECHNOLOGICAL SPINOFFS AND PRODUCTIVITY GAINS WOULD BE ENORMOUS, FROM A NETWORK THAT WOULD COST THE GOVERNMENT LESS THAN ONE STEALTH BOMBER.

As noted in the NEW YORK TIMES of December 29, 1988 in a story by John Markoff:

"Computer scientists and Government officials are urging the creation of a nationwide "data superhighway" that they believe would have a dramatic economic impact, rivaling that of the nation's interstate highway system.

This highway would consist of a high-speed fiber-optic data network joining dozens of supercomputers at national laboratories and making them available to thousands of academic and industry researchers around the country ...

Legislation introduced in October by Senator Albert Gore, Democrat of Tennessee, included initial financing for development and construction of a National Research Network. Backers of the measure say that Federal financing for the project is necessary to develop the technology and convince industry that vastly speedier computer networks are commercially viable."

GORES BIG WIN:

Gore's big win was of course the passing into law of the High Performance Computing Act of 1991, which the Houston Chronicle reported under the headline "Data superhighway' for nation's computers approved by Congress" on November 30, 1991, crediting Gore's role:

"A plan to create a high-tech "data superhighway" likened in importance to the creation of the nation's highway system has been approved by Congress and sent to President Bush for his signature.

The plan would create a high-speed national computer networking infrastructure that would link computers in the nation's research, education and military establishments.

Proponents say that this network eventually will evolve into a universally available National Public Telecomputing Network that may be the successor to the telephone system, marrying the entertainment, communications and computer industries.

The High-Performance Computing Act of 1991, which contains the plan, was approved by a House-Senate conference committee over the weekend after being stalled for several weeks because of disagreement over a "buy American first" provision.

The bill, sponsored by Sen. Albert Gore, D-Tenn., does not provide funding for the effort. Budget allocations and appropriations must be made individually during each year of the program."
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 09:53 PM
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13. I don't argue with them anymore. I just say yes, yes he did.. That seems
to piss them off more.
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