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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:13 AM
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It's time to call James Carville out on his marriage to Mary Matalin!


Look---me and my wife have plenty of disagreements and we're not exactly Idealogical soul mates....BUT my God.... if my wife even closely uttered the hate filled spewed lies that pour out of Mary Matalins mouth, there aint no way that I would call her my wife.

How could Carville live with such an evil person---a person that is just as complicit as anyone who walk the halls of the Bush administration for orchestrating the lies that sent thousands of innocent people to their deaths.

I read something that Digby posted yesterday that was written by Colin McEnroe. I knew about the Carville/Russert connection months ago--- but me-thinks that the connection is much more than a sports show.

From Digby:

One of the most interesting things about following the Connecticut senate race last summer was becoming exposed to the local media. One stand-out was Colin McEnroe, who has written the piece that should have been written by a top flight national columnist except they are so in the tank, that I'm not sure they even understand the issue much less have the integrity to write something about it:

During the trial of Scooter "I. Lewis" Libby, the notes of Cathie Martin were flashed up on a courtroom screen. Martin was an aide to Vice President Darth Vader, I mean Dick Cheney, and her notes concerned ways in which Cheney might combat the notion that the White House had not been honest about Iraq's nuclear capabilities. As option number one, Martin wrote "MTP-VP," meaning either that the Vice President should aim his Death Star at some hapless planet and "massacre their people" or, more likely, that the Vice President should appear on the program you are not going to watch today.

Martin then did a pros and cons notation about this strategy. On the pro side she wrote "control message."

Really? That's the best thing about sending Vice President Cheney on "Meet the Press?" That you can control the message you want to get out? Interesting.

But then there were more notes presented at the trial. These notes were taken by Libby himself about a conversation he had with Cheney adviser Mary Matalin about how to deal with that meddlesome NBC fellow Chris Matthews. "Call Tim. He hates Chris - he needs to know it all," was the advice from Matalin jotted down by Libby.

Hmmm. A Cheney adviser knows that NBC's Russert hates NBC's Matthews and that Russert will be helpful.

A couple of connectable dots involve Matalin's husband, James Carville, and Russert's son, Luke, who together launched a satellite radio sports talk show called "60/20," a reference to their respective age groups, apparently because the title "A Giant Talking Adder and an Unqualified Stripling With a Famous Dad Discuss Big Strong Sweaty Men" was already taken by the Sci-Fi Channel.

Tim Russert and Carville actually promoted the sports show on "Meet the Press" (where Carville and Matalin regularly appear) without revealing that Luke Russert was the second host, as if that somehow removed the taint of hand-in-glove favoritism from this plug.

So Russert gets his kid a fancy gig with a famous and wired guy like Carville. It hardly comes as a surprise to think that Carville's wife feels she has a little inside advantage in playing Russert for Cheney's benefit.

But wait. There's more.

When Russert was first subpoenaed, in 2004, to speak to the grand jury in the Libby case, he and NBC made a great show of fighting to quash that subpoena because, in the words of NBC News president Neil Shapiro, "The American public will be deprived of important information if the government can freely question journalists about their efforts to gather news." This quote appeared in a "story" on the MSNBC website about NBC's brave resistance.

Stirring words. Only one problem. It emerged at trial that Russert spoke freely to an FBI agent about this whole matter the first time he was ever contacted. The whole pageant of refusing to cooperate was kind of a charade. He had already cooperated. I mean, shouldn't the story MSNBC ran about NBC's commitment to the American public have explained that Russert compromised at least some of that commitment the first chance he got?

OK. Just a little more.

In his own trial testimony, Russert explained his own unique approach to the concept of "off the record" conversations with public officials. Russert said public officials do not have to ask to go off the record with him. They are always presumptively off the record. Then, if he wants to get them on the record, he revisits the point and asks them to go public.

This is a wonderful, generous strategy, and the only problem with it is that it represents a complete inversion of the standard operating practices of journalism. Every reporter who works at this newspaper, and pretty much every reporter professionally employed at any other reputable organ of the press has been instructed to do the opposite: assume that every utterance is on the record unless the utterer has explicitly gone off the record before uttering.

People who deal with the press are expected to know that.

You're not even allowed to say, "The U.S. government blew up Pluto in November of last year, but that's off the record," although some reporters will give you the NBA continuation rule if you don't pause for breath anywhere in there.

A gray area would be something like, "The real Zodiac killer was - and this is off the record - Andy Rooney." That's probably a legitimate off the record statement.

But Russert's policy is one of his own invention, and it's the kind of policy you'd have if you prized your cozy relationship with powerful people more highly than you prized your role as a reporter.

I mention all this because, here and there, you read comments about the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald and how much he damaged the First Amendment by sweating a bunch of journalists. Please. It's more like he lanced some kind of infectious boil.
http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2007/03/lancing-boil-by-digby-one-of-most.html

Carville, this ex Ragin' Cajun is now nothing more than a beltway elite and he should should be exposed as one at every turn.
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Lerkfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:19 AM
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1. carville is, and continues to be a liability for the DLC
IMHO.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:24 AM
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2. Why So Glum, Chum?
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 08:26 AM by MannyGoldstein
I'm sure that Hillary "JFK" Clinton is receiving stellar intel from Ms. Matalin. After Dean's 2006 loss of "Rumsfeldian proportions", we need all the help we can get.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:27 AM
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3. PLEASE give a warning before posting a picture of Matalin. It's time to call Carville out
for his actions in getting Kerry to concede (ie Bob Woodwards revelations in his last book.) I don't trust him and was very glad to spend ~ 15 minutes with a phone solicitor working for his pac explaining why. BTW she was very interested in hearing what I had to say. I wonder if they lost her after our conversation.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:27 AM
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4. He Knew Who He Was Marrying
I am not one to judge someone's marriage. If they're happy and it works, its no one's business to interfere with this marriage as much as one would be offended if such advice were proffered to the Clintons or the Obamas or any couple. James is a big boy...and his actions in recent years speak for itself. His loyalty to the DLC and Clintons ahead of the Democratic party on the whole and the best interests of the nation are firmly seen now and his credibilty should reflect this.

The dirty laundry of the beltway punditry in the Plame matter is one our corproate media wants to go away. They want to frame Russert as a "hero" and pat themselves on the back for "playing it straight", when we know that's far from the truth. None of the stenographers involved in the Plame matter have come clean with their close ties to Rove and others within the regime...how their access and social status trumped national security, the public's right to know and most importantly, doing their jobs as advocates of their readers and viewers. Carville is compromised on all sides...and shameful as he once was an inspiring voice for many.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:50 AM
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5. I quit trying to explain love many years ago
I have better luck at calling the Pick 6 at the dog track.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:53 AM
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6. That entire idea makes me uncomfortable. Maybe because I am
married to a rightie of my own, but more because that just sounds fascist to me.

Better just to call him out on what is wrong with the man himself, which is plenty enough.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:59 AM
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8. You were too kind.
The concept embraced in the OP is sickening.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 09:22 AM
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11. A rightie like Matalin---
then damn, I feel sorry for you.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:23 AM
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13. No, not like Matalin. My husband never talks politics. He is an old school
Maine conservative. Very stoic.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:59 AM
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7. I'm not even going to read a word of this utter bullshit.
Flame bait.

Pure and simple.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 09:21 AM
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10. Dude---you're flame bait.
do me a favor pal--- put me in your ignore thread that way you won't hurt your back climbing into your high and mighty seat.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 09:37 AM
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12. No. The idea of questioning a person's choice of spouse for any reason is disgusting.
This is not a political issue, it is one of personal choice, and we at DU do not support this kind of intolerance.

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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:34 AM
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15. Wrong - This IS a political issue. But you wouldn't know that since you didn't read the post...
:eyes:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:39 AM
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17. and his back is in a cast
:rofl:
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:39 AM
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18. Sorry, but criticizing a choice of spouse for any reason is bigotry
I recognize that you are attempting to justify your hideous, judgmental approach because of politics, but it's pure and simple intolerance.
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:32 AM
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24. WOW, you really read a lot into something huh?
"My hideous, judgmental approach"? Where did that come from?

FYI, I defended and still defend his choice of spouse.

This is about who he talks to & what he talks about. The OP's title is misleading. However, you'll have to read beyond that to get this concept.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:54 PM
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42. Bigotry? What a crock of bull.
That's ridiculous. Try again.

When a strategist is married to the enemy his sincerity is legitimately called into question.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:43 AM
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28. we at DU
and you are who?
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 09:19 AM
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9. Why bother? He's history. At least, in a parochial kind of way.
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 09:28 AM by KCabotDullesMarxIII
Odd that he had such an extraordinary gift... and sold it for a mess of potage.
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:25 AM
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14. Democratic Underground moves into a new field - Marriage Counselling
Because God knows we'd be good at it.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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progressoid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:38 AM
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16. " Please. It's more like he lanced some kind of infectious boil."

That's perfect!!!

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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:51 AM
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30. indeed
;-)

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Blackhatjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 10:45 AM
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19. Wouldn't Mention anything to James you did not want Matlin to know...
Who really would expect James to keep confidential information from his wife?

It really is no question at all.

And would Matlin refuse to use it if James 'accidentally' slipped up and revealed some kind of campaign secret?

You get the picture.

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tinfoilinfor2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:19 AM
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20. Imus to Matalin this morning (sung with the neh neh neh neh neh tune)...
"Scooter's going to jai-ail, Scooter's going to jai-ail." He kept doing it in a soft voice the whole time she was talking and it drove her crazy. It was great. :)
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:22 AM
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21. on the other hand I'm sure there are those on the other side who feel the same way
regarding her marriage to Carville.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:23 AM
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22. Cool! Does that mean we get to kick Gore in the nuts?
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 11:24 AM by cgrindley
for being married to Tipper?

Because your argument sort of suggests that we do.

PS it's not a sound argument. Gore shouldn't be kicked in the nuts for being married to Tipper. Tipper should be kicked in the nuts for being Tipper.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:46 AM
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29. You compare Tipper to Matalin?
LOL
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:58 AM
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31. Tipper actually got the job done
she actually attacked our freedoms in a practical and lasting way. Matalin is just another talking head.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 01:11 PM
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35. Really--- like CD's wouldn't have age labels on them without Tipper.
and you do know that Matalin was Cheneys right hand girl dontcha?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:49 PM
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41. Warning labels on CDs!
The woman is practically Hitler!

I wonder when she's going to invade Poland.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:38 PM
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57. Even a sarcastic argumentum ad hiterlum
loses an argument...
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:18 PM
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61. I'm not arguing
I'm casting asparagus.
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cgrindley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 08:33 PM
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62. God I love asparagus
It has all the charm of an artichoke but with none of the irritation.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:25 AM
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23. Like attract like. They deserve each other.
Both make buckets of money being mouthpieces for politicians and acting like they represent something other than themselves.

Barnum was right.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:37 AM
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25. Ya know, that Conan O'Brien routine where he asks...
What would a their baby look like if these two people mated?

Anybody with good computer graphic skills want to give it a try? :)
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:42 AM
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26. Is this better?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 11:43 AM
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27. LOL! Thanks.
I like a good laugh with my coffee.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:17 PM
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33. Glad I could lighten someone's day.
Face swaps are a lot of fun.
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RiverStone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 01:21 PM
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36. I laughed out loud....thanks!
:rofl:
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martymar64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:45 PM
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53. A Bald Giuliani and MEAN JEAN!!!!
That'll replace the white whale in my nightmares!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 12:12 PM
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32. IF you have a problem with Carville's politics, argue with them. His marriage is irrelevant
What a silly premise for a post
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 01:09 PM
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34. And who the fuck is he married to?
Dod you read the story I posted along with my comments. You don't think that is significant?

You know there's a lot of knee jerking in this thread from folks who spout before they read.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 01:23 PM
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37. Whoever the fuck he damned well pleases, and it's none of your fucking business.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:30 PM
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38. And who says it's none of my business? YOU!
Really Buzz Click---get off your high horse because you're looking foolish. Just because you're to dense to understand what this is doesn't mean you have to come into this thread and act all dumb and everything.
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:39 PM
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39. ... and now the insults. Game over.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 02:41 PM
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40. Awww...you taking your ball home for milk and cookies from mommy?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:32 PM
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44. I stated my case clearly and succinctly, and you resorted to childish insults.
Edited on Mon Mar-12-07 03:33 PM by Buzz Clik
The mommie/cookies remark is misdirected.

My point remains: demanding that anyone answer for their choice of spouse is pure bigotry.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:04 PM
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46. So I guess we shouldn't diss Ava Braun?
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Buzz Clik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 05:18 PM
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56. LOL! All this and Hitler, too?
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:03 PM
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43. Anyone who would marry a person like Matalin is CLEARLY not to be trustsed
And ought to be ostracized from any official capacity on Democratic campaigns. Talk about legitimizing the enemy- Carville thinks this is all some big game.
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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 03:51 PM
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45. I agree with the OP
My political beliefs reflect my basic values. I could not be with someone I did not share my basic values with. I could no more fall in love with a Republican than I could fall in love with a Grand Dragon in the KKK. The whole idea is absurd in my mind.

"Yeah, I love her even though she supports lynchings". haha...NOT.

If your politics actually MEAN something to you, you could not love, let alone make love with, someone who supports the morally reprehensible policies of the Republican Party.
Lee
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:27 PM
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47. You used the wrong photo!


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Madspirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:31 PM
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49. You ARE BAD...
For giving me nightmares. That is way scary. <g>
Lee
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:29 PM
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48. Read ppgs 343-346 of Woodward's "State Of Denial" then tell me what y'all thunk of Jiminy
The guy is a traitor.






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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:35 PM
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50. Russert is a complete fraud--Carville is just hot air and can be ignore w/ or w/out Maaary
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:39 PM
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51. Jeez...you mean politicos in DC are chummy with journalists?!?!
The hell, you say.

Why can't people just accept the fact that Carville and Matalin are simply hired guns? Nothing more. Nothing less. I think they enjoy the "combat" of politics more than anything else. Carville has chosen a career as a hired gun for left-wingers. Matalin for right-wingers. Who knows what their own beliefs are at this point?

I actually find their marriage as a good metaphor for the entire stupid political system we live under.



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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:42 PM
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52. it's 15 years past time
these two have had a hand in forcing na uninterrupted string of corporate rightwing administrations on us from 1980 to present.
you'd think dems would see through the scam by now.
can't we get rid of this guy?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:45 PM
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54. I'm sure James Carville reallly cares what you have to say about his marriage...
He is not an elected official and therefore he doesn't represent me. He can do whatever he wants.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 04:51 PM
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55. I think Carville is a double agent.
He disgusts me.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:39 PM
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58. I've suspected that for a few years now.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:42 PM
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59. If they love each other, good for them.... love is what the world really needs
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-12-07 07:51 PM
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60. Let them be. At least their marriage works. I've stopped listening to both of them. nt
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