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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:09 AM Original message |
Why has America's incarceration rate tripled since 1980? |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
1. Reagans 3 Strikes you're out and tighter marijuana laws? |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Reagan wasn't elected until 1980 by which time the trend was well established |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:45 AM Response to Reply #6 |
15. Ah no - look at that chart again |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:51 AM Response to Reply #6 |
17. Raygun was a huge part of the over-populated prisons. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #6 |
36. No. Your own chart says different. It breaks the bounds of its historical norm right about 1980. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #36 |
66. Two points |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 09:40 AM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Yes. And I think the normal "time lag" simply became ABnormal in that '70s period. |
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sarcasmo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
2. There is big money to be made in Privatization. More bodies equal more money. |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 01:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
43. Bingo! |
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kedrys (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
3. Bullsh*t drug enforcement |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
4. War on Drugs |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
14. yep, exactly... |
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quinnox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
5. Illegal immigrants |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Illegal immigrants get deported if they have no other crimes against them. |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
56. I doubt this counts them |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:29 PM Response to Reply #5 |
60. There hasn't been a huge increase in Illegal Immigration till NAFTA was in effect... |
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spindrifter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
7. Longer sentences for |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
9. Not sure |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The drop in violent crime didn't start happening until about 1994 |
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Nederland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
34. True |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #9 |
39. "Violent Crime in Cities Shows Sharp Surge" |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
10. contemporary push to privatize corrections |
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rock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
12. Drug War |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
13. American Legislative Exchange Council |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. The "Acts" they've pushed on behave of industry. |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I'd give you the details of these if I had $5000 to join. |
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Marnieworld (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:51 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Your avatar is no surprise |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #19 |
63. Wow, good post |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 06:45 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Thanks, |
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LiberalEsto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
16. Free slave labor |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
18. Maybe this has something to do with it. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:32 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. 1993 had huge budget cuts to education. |
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wicket (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
20. Incarcerating non-violent offenders |
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demrabble (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
22. Racism |
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JHB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
23. The War on (some) Drugs |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
24. That was when they began privatizing the prison "industry". |
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lectrobyte (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 07:30 AM Response to Reply #24 |
70. Yes. Follow the money. |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
25. I didn't mean to start this thread and then abandon it. |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
26. Private prison industry n/t |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
28. Privatization of prisons....business is good. Have to keep the criminal rate up to bolster economy. |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. That was my answer - plus - many states don't let felons VOTE. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
29. Disenfranchisement. PLUS the $$$ in private prisons. It's a win-win! |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 11:56 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Yep ~ the $$$$'s talk. Have you watched MSNBC lately |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Plus private prisons lobby for new laws to lock up millions more. |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. Saw a mid-'90s study; the most $$$ to "anti-drug" candidates came from the CONSRUCTION industry. |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
57. They're a big winner in the privatization of prisons. |
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Laughing Mirror (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. It will soon be 2.5 million on the inside |
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cgrindley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
37. Increasing socioeconomic divide |
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noonwitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
40. War on (some) Drugs |
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paparush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
41. Zero Tolerance Drug Laws - One strike and you're out.... |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
42. the "war" on drugs |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
44. there's money in them thar cells! here's a link to a decent article... |
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butterfly77 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
45. Smoking weed, bank robbers,unemployment,... |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
46. Three words: War on drugs |
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Xithras (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
47. Nobody has mentioned the closure of the mental hospitals yet. |
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LiberalUprising (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
48. The answer: |
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nolabels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 07:07 AM Response to Reply #48 |
68. That seems to be largest part of the answer to be sure |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
49. The "war on drugs" is definitely a winner. - n/t |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
50. Fear of the Black Male Voter... |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. 4,919 per 100,000 Black males in prison. |
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ellisonz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. 25% of black males have served time in prison. Last time I checked convicted felons couldn't vote. |
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qwlauren35 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:09 AM Response to Reply #61 |
72. Voting rights differ by state. |
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Joanne98 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
51. The answer is here,.... |
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Cobalt Violet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 06:53 AM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Absolutely! |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
52. Escalation of the war on non-approved herbs... (n/t) |
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tblue37 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
53. War on Drugs and mandatory sentencing. (eom) |
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Nutmegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
54. They don't call it the Prison Industrial Complex for nothing. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 05:44 PM Response to Original message |
55. Incarceration of non-violent drug offenders. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
58. drug war. also, |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-12-07 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
62. Private prisons. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
64. Poverty became worse after Reagan started dismantling social programs. |
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liberal hypnotist (391 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
69. Economic trends and prison industry |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:06 AM Response to Original message |
71. Escalation of the ludicrous "war on drugs" plus the introduction of "Crack". |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:20 AM Response to Original message |
73. Early 70s ushered in jail for 'victimless crimes' especially war on drugs... |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:24 AM Response to Original message |
74. War on Drugs. Prohibition was same... |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
75. War on Drugs, the foot in the door of losing our Constitutional rights (n/t) |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:31 AM Response to Original message |
76. Unfortunely, 60-80% of violent criminals are drug related, or |
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Blackhatjack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:36 AM Response to Reply #76 |
77. But the great majority of drug users incarcerated have never committed a violent crime... |
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shield20 (263 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 08:42 AM Response to Reply #77 |
78. GREAT INFO! Thanks! nt |
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mdmc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-13-07 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
80. Dems love their drug war |
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