I Don't Think People Realize the Gravity of the Halliburton/Dubai Move.

[The Cleaner]

Let me put it into perspective. VP Dick Cheney once ran the company, a behemoth of a defense/energy contractor headquartered in Houston, TX. Who else is headquartered in Houston? That's right - ENRON.

Suddenly we were snookered into a war of choice in Iraq from which Halliburton would benefit greatly to say the least. Not only was Halliburton conveniently handed historically gigantic contracts in Iraq, bypassing the traditional bidding process, but also they lost 2.7 BILLION DOLLARS. Let me say it again: Halliburton LOST 2.7 BILLION DOLLARS - gone.

Where did that money go? How the hell can a company LOSE that much money - OUR money - the money you and I paid Uncle Sam? It is a serious breach, and the American people should be enraged by this.

But that's not all. Now Halliburton wants to give taxpayers one last slap in the face. They now want to pull out of America altogether and relocate to Dubai, for one to escape prosecution and investigation by a Democratic Congress, and also to take advantage of Dubai's "friendly" low-tax system.

It is all so unconscionable. The very people that have funded Halliburton, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, are now seeing a corrupt company who literally LOOTED our Government - and each and every one of us - skip off to Dubai where they can for the most part avoid paying their taxes, avoid prosecution, and STILL call themselves an American company.

I don't know about you, but as an American taxpayer, that kinda irritates me to say the least. :(

Edit to add link to LA Times article on Henry Waxman's efforts to uncover this thing:
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-halliburton12mar12,0,7232090.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[hippiechick]

1. Dubai - wasn't there a compay from Dubai who bid on the NY Ports?

:shrug: A front for Halliburton, perhaps? :shrug:

[acmavm]

5. The neos and their cronies are so arrogant and smug now, they commit

these horrible offenses against the people of this country openly, and then they give them the proverbial middle finger as they wrap up their criminal enterprise. Telling the American people f**k you one last time before they take whatever is left of our national treasure with them. They've already taken the best. Our country's self-respect and it's place in this world, human life - over 3,000 our our troops and hundreds of thousands (if some people be believed) of innocent men and women in defenseless country, and now they want to leave with billions of dollars of military/government contracts and all the sensitive information that comes along with it.

They are beiing breathtakingly brazen and arrogant in their corruption.

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. And the Democrats in Congress are afraid that there is no time for impeachment?

What exactly do they plan to do? Sit and and wait until Cheney and Bush have made a clean get a way?

[spanone]

22. Every day is one less day to start impeachment hearings.

[The Backlash Cometh]

25. At this point, it must be clear that Bush and Cheney have serious

legal problems, and they're making decisions more to cover their tracks, than to lead our country. What are the Dems waiting for?

[salinen]

31. Conservatives must be retarded

They rally in favor of interests that harm them as much as us. And they want us to focus all our energy on terrorists. HALLIBURTON is a terrorist organization.

[EVDebs]

38. For a real drop-a-log moment read wikipedia's Ptech

Ptech (now GoAgile)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptech

This outfit STILL has contracts with WH, AirForce, DOD, FAA !

Dollars of Terror
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17730

Yes, that's right, a conservative weblink article on this company includes this precious passage:

""Ptech is used primarily to develop enterprise blueprints at the highest level of US government and corporate infrastructure. These blueprints hold every important functional, operational, and technical detail of the enterprise. A secondary use of this powerful tool is to build other smart tools in a short period of time. Ptech’s clients in 2001 included the Department of Justice, the Department of Energy, Customs, Air Force, the White House, the FAA, IBM, Sysco, Aetna, and Motorola, to name just a few. ""

Let's "onshore" and "insource" some of these quasi-governmental companies who have most of their business with the government ! If they can't have the fear of God in them maybe the fear of the US taxpayer will be enough !

[truth2power]

82. Just to let you know...

Sibel Edmonds made reference to PTech as involved in some shady business. I can't remember the exact context, but these same names keep popping up.

[EVDebs]

88. Ptech is now GoAgile, and still in WhiteHouse, FAA, AirForce, etc nt

[maggiegault]

48. Remember 2008. 2012. 2016.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for companies who do not believe in the American worker.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for believing that Rich White Men deserve to get richer off of the American worker's money.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for lying to our soldiers and destroying military families.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for believing that A Big Man In The Sky should dictate public policy.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for assinine stupidity such as no liquids brought through security when you fly.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for rich people getting all of the tax breaks while regular working Americans are losing their homes.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for believing that people deserved to drown in a hurricane simply because they are Poor and Black.

A vote for the GOP is a vote for being a hypocrite, not the least of which about screwing a woman other than your dying wife.

Any others?

[Kikosexy2]

83. I'm outraged...

but if Halliburton ended up being bombed to oblivion in Dubai..I wouldn't be surprised nor saddened...Cheney and Halliburton are scums of the earth and should be rotting in hell...

[NEOBuckeye]

60. ...

self-delete

[RB TexLa]

62. They bought the company that ran the ports

They are one of the best in the world at running ports, but they aren't white so 'Mericans weren't going to stand for them having the contracts of the company they bought. So now an insurance company runs many of our ports, but it's british so it's ok.

[NanceGreggs]

2. ... to say the least.

K & R!

:kick:

[Raven]

3. Can the move be stopped?

At least until Congress has a chance to dig into it.

[coalition_unwilling]

29. Nationalize Halliburton and expropriate assets -n/t

[Joanne98]

35. I agree with that 100%

[conscious evolution]

42. No,not nationalized

Hit them with the corporate death penalty through RICO and revoke their coporate charter.Then hit the corp and owners and directors with RICO charges.Then hit them with The Treble damages allowed under RICO.

[hootinholler]

49. Hmmm, I think RICO can be filed Pro Tam? n/t

[conscious evolution]

50. I have no idea what that means

I'm not a lawyer.I didn't even sleep in a Holiday Express last night.
But it sounds like I should be for it.

[hootinholler]

84. Pro Tam, On behalf of the Government...

Allows a citizen to file suit on behalf of the government to correct wrongdoing.

-Hoot

[conscious evolution]

94. someone as in a whistleblower by chance?

[mainegreen]

4. I honestly don't undestand how a business can operate in a country without being incorporated there.

Int'l business law makes no sense to me. I just don't get nor know much about it.
:shrug:

[Solon]

52. There are two ways Corporations do this...

First is actual incorporation, this is done, in the United States, on a State by State basis. Halliburton was issued a Corporate Charter in Texas. All other States that they want to do business in requires a license ISSUED by that State. What Halliburton wants to do is re-incorporate in the UAE, while still retaining a license to do business in Texas and all other States it going to do business in.

Now technically, all Corporate Charters are TEMPORARY, corporations were allowed let's say a decade to do some important public work, at private profit, like building a bridge, or providing a service. The Legislature of a State issues the Charter, the Attorney General of that State can revoke the Charter and liquidate assets if the Corporation violates the contract. This is rarely practiced, and Corporate Charters are perpetually renewed by the Legislature as a matter of course, instead of letting them expire.

Generally speaking, Corporations have NO rights to appeal a decision by an Attorney General in revoking their charter. In the past, the Corporations were artificial entities that were given LIMITED liability for their investors, and that was the extent of it, they had no right to due process of law. However, this has changed in the past century, Corporations now, technically, have all the legal rights as citizens, making it much more difficult to regulate and control them.

[jaybeat]

57. Corporate "person-hood" is the root of a great many evils

Thom Hartmann has outlined this in great, meticulous detail, on his radio program and in his book,

Unequal Protection: The rise of corporate dominance and theft of human rights

www.thomhartman.com/unequalprotection.shtml

Yet another example of how modern capitalism is fundamentally at odds with democracy. The votes we cast politically have very little impact compared to the votes cast with dollars. The more dollars, the more votes, and with 10% of the people owning 90% of the dollars, 10% of the people have (at least) 90% of the power!

Real democratic! :sarcasm:

[acmavm]

67. Yes, it most certainly is.

[valerief]

6. Hell O'Burden has been a helluva burden on the American taxpayer. nt

[Uncle Joe]

7. Why does Halliburton hate America?

Kicked and recommended

[IronLionZion]

12. They love our money nt k+r

[TNOE]

8. DON'T FORGET

overcharging THE U.S. TAXPAYERS FOR THEIR SERVICES;

and

Feeding the troops ROTTEN FOOD - AND bad drinking water!!!

[CJCRANE]

9. Wouldn't it be ironic

if the "war on terror" was a ruse by the arab monarchies to use the US military to knock down their Shi'ite rivals (Iran & Iraq) and drain the US treasury at the same time?

I don't believe that to be true myself but that's how things have turned out. Go Cheney yourself Dick!

[itsmesgd]

10. what do you mean ironic?

The House of Saud keeps having Dick do their bidding. I think that your "what if" might be a lot closer than you think. Remember that Bush and the binLadens are connected together through Carlyle.

[Richard Steele]

13. Yeah, "if"...

[valerief]

32. It's not an IF and you know that! nt

[MazeRat7]

11. Their articles of incorporation will remain in the US

So no, they are not skipping out on investigation or prosecution since they will remain bound by the laws governing us corporations.
As for avoiding taxes or more accurately getting a better tax rate, that is done all the time by companies that have headquarters here in the US so there is really no need to relocate for that reason.

I have no clue "why" they decided to relocate, but you are correct in that something is up and "we" will ultimately end up holding the bag I am sure. :mad:

MZr7

[itsmesgd]

15. I heard that the CEO and Chair would relocate but leave the COO in the States

I think that this is a move to shield their books from scrutiny here in the States. They are simply moving the executive branch overseas but keeping their operations based out of the States. This is such a dodge.

[suziedemocrat]

77. Hmmn.. what are the extradition rules in Dubai? Would Ken Lay be in jail now if he had been there?

Isn't Dubai where Michael Jackson decided to hang out?

[elehhhhna]

91. We have NO EXRTADITION TREATY with the UAE

[Divernan]

36. Yes, but how long after they've completed the move will they keep the lights on in the US office?

I think the talk about keeping their Houston offices open and still being a US corporation, is just a smokescreen to hold off investigations/public uproar until they're up and running in Dubai.

Then it's going to be "Hasta La Vista, SUCKERS!"

[RB TexLa]

63. They are putting people closer to their customer base

[TX-RAT]

80. Thats the way i see it.

Halliburton is a service company who does perforating, fracing, and acidizing. These operations are done after the drilling of the well has been completed. Drilling in the US is way down while drilling in other country's is booming. It makes good business sense to me to move the bulk of your operation to the area where the bulk of the drilling is taking place. They have to compete in the services market, with company's like BJ Huges, Schlumberger, Weatherford and some other smaller company's.

[BluePatriot]

14. I really have no idea how this is legal

Just goes to show that the "haves" operate in a completely different reality. Where's our pitchforks and torches when we need them?

*hi Agent Mike!

[itsmesgd]

17. (speaking of pitchforks)

when I heard that shrub was going to Uraguay/ Paraguay or some other "guay". I was hoping that it was because some dirt was going to come out here that would force him to flee and stay at his new -"guay"-ian home

[BluePatriot]

24. I don't get it sometimes, though.

Why don't we realize our collective power? There are plenty more of us than there are of "them..."

*yeah..."wedge" issues / logistics / misdirection of anger onto the "other" via racism/classism when we really all have more in common with each other than we know

[Tyrone Slothrop]

85. It's not dirt, it's danger

http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,1153513,00.html

Read that article and then ask yourself why the Bushes purchased a remote hideout with plenty of access to natural drinking water, etc.

[State the Obvious]

16. So, when Cheney visited Saudi Arabia a few weeks ago....

...he was REALLY there to solidify the Halliburton "deal" in Dubai?

(He must have brought bags of money with him.....at taxpayers expense, of course.)

[glitch]

19. And all on our dime. nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

20. The U.S. military should stop protecting Dubai

Let Halliburton form their own military to defend that country. If they don't want to contribute any more to the U.S. tax base, why spend U.S. lives and defense dollars protecting them? If they want to pull up stakes and move out of the reach of U.S. jurisdiction to avoid being subpoenaed by Congress in the U.S. then let them also operate outside of the protection of the U.S. 5th Fleet and form their own government. The only reason they can move to Dubai is because the young men and women of our military are protecting such places from harm with their own lives.

[Old and In the Way]

21. When will the other half of America figure this out?

How much more conning will they absorb before they've had enough?

[Laurab]

23. CALL CONGRESS NOW!!!!!

In all seriousness - write or call your Rep, your State Senator, and Waxman's office.

If you haven't seen it, see this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x388886

[hootinholler]

26. Seize them

Freeze thier assets, put it in receivership and invertigate!

I said it before here it is again.

-Hoot

[coalition_unwilling]

30. Ding! (In best Randi Rhodes mode) n/t

[seafan]

27. Profits of $2.3 Billion in 2006, yet Halliburton *lost* $2.7 Billion in Iraq....hhmmmm

"The eastern hemisphere is a market that is more heavily weighted toward oil exploration and production opportunities and growing our business here will bring more balance to Halliburton's overall portfolio," Lesar said.

In 2006, Halliburton -- once headed by Vice President Dick Cheney -- earned profits of $2.3 billion on revenues of $22.6 billion.

More than 38 percent of Halliburton's $13 billion oil field services revenue last year stemmed from sources in the eastern hemisphere, where the firm has 16,000 of its 45,000 employees.

Cheney was Halliburton's chief executive from 1995-2000 and the Bush administration has been accused of favoring the conglomerate with lucrative no-bid contracts in Iraq.

Federal investigators last month alleged Halliburton was responsible for $2.7 billion of the $10 billion in contractor waste and overcharging in Iraq.

Halliburton last month announced a 40-percent decline in fourth-quarter profit, despite heavy demand for its oil field equipment and personnel.

Halliburton Will Move HQ to Dubai, March 11, 2007



Thom Hartmann demands today that these guys' passports be seized.

[Canuckistanian]

37. KBR "loses" $18 Million.....

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/112804W.shtml

Bowen reported that an audit earlier this summer found KBR had lost track of more than $18 million worth of equipment in Iraq. Investigators could not track down 52 of 164 randomly selected items in an inventory of more than 20,000 items overseen by KBR, including two electric generators worth nearly $1 million, 18 trucks or SUVs and six laptop computers.

Pentagon and Halliburton officials have been searching since the summer for the missing items and have tracked down many of them. Some were found in the hands of "unauthorized users" and 111 vehicles had not been returned for required check-in, they said.

Bowen's auditors found the problems extended beyond Iraq's borders. More recently, auditors sought to determine how well KBR managed the inventory and supplies of the CPA offices and warehouses in neighboring Kuwait, initially sampling 90 items from an inventory of more than 3,000.

The auditors found 30 of the 90 items could not be accounted for, and then reviewed additional documents and projected a total of 1,297 of the 3,032 property items, or 42.8%, could not be accounted for or were missing.

[coalition_unwilling]

28. I call on Congress to expropriate their assets and nationalize them -n/t

[Divernan]

58. Congress could outsource the nationalizing job to Hugo Chavez!

He is experienced at dealing with this rapacious coroporate assholes.

[bpeale]

33. their war contracts should be terminated immediately

[vanboggie]

34. This makes me so damned angry

This is what this Iraq mess has been about since the beginning. Next week my nephew is being deployed to Iraq to risk his life for what - Halliburton profits and Cheney's skyrocketing stock portfolio. I just wrote my worthless Repuke Rep who always votes Party line, my Dem Senators, and also wrote a LTTE and sumitted it to the local paper. It is all I can do for my nephew. I promised him I would keep writing, keep trying to stop the madness. Treason is too good for Halliburton principals, Cheney and the entire cabal.

[EVDebs]

40. Please read post #38 re Ptech nt

[vanboggie]

43. It is neverending

Thanks for that info EV. The tentacles are long and run way too deep. Just when you think you've seen the worst, up pops more criminality.

[autorank]

39. This place is cooking! Thank you for this. K&R...

They can run, and they are given the departure of the CEO, but they can't hide for long. Dubai is just a little spit of land. They take Halliburton, Michael Jackson, God knows what else and pretty soon, the place becomes a respite for pariahs. Not a good thing to be if the sands shift over here and wehavefriends over there.

Excellent post.

[Matariki]

41. and maybe the next war the US gets into will be against Halliburton

considering they've been building a private army of mercenaries, etc.

[MsUnderstood]

44. why do you hate america?

You must hate america if you cannot accept that an american company moving entirely to an outside country can only be for the good of all Americans.

We are spreading capitali. . .er wait that would be democracy into the middle east!

--sarcasm off--

Why would anyone trying to promote security allow this huge security company to go out of hte country? Its crazy!

[bpeale]

45. we know its still all about the oil

rescind all their government contracts, and tax what they bring into the u.s. at 75% of its value.

[Lisa]

46. so basically, Halliburton is acting just like the person I thought it would be like ...

... if corporations were indeed human beings. Fleeing overseas with its ill-gotten gains.


(referring to that "psychological profile" part of the movie "The Corporation")

[EVDebs]

47. Here's the link to the 'synopsis' part of the film The Corporation

http://www.thecorporation.com/index.cfm?page_id=312

""To assess the "personality" of the corporate "person," a checklist is employed, using diagnostic criteria of the World Health Organization and the standard diagnostic tool of psychiatrists and psychologists. The operational principles of the corporation give it a highly anti-social "personality": it is self-interested, inherently amoral, callous and deceitful; it breaches social and legal standards to get its way; it does not suffer from guilt, yet it can mimic the human qualities of empathy, caring and altruism. Four case studies, drawn from a universe of corporate activity, clearly demonstrate harm to workers, human health, animals and the biosphere. Concluding this point-by-point analysis, a disturbing diagnosis is delivered: the institutional embodiment of laissez-faire capitalism fully meets the diagnostic criteria of a "psychopath.""

PSYCHOPATH ! Enron, now Halliburton KBR et al and company.

[Virginian]

70. I guess they learned from Ken Lay.

Get out of the country before the shit hits the fan. That way, they can't convict you of whatever it was, and they can't send you to jail.
It reminds me of a Tom Clancy novel.

So, what is the shit and when does it hit?

Is Dubai a safe place for Americans?

[lonestarnot]

51. 2.7? The number was 8 Billion!

[C_U_L8R]

53. Defund the war profiteers

cut their contacts now !!!

[ourvoicescount]

54. I'm pissed as hell. Cheney still pocketing money from our men and women dying for lies, now this...

[Telly Savalas]

55. What's the big fucking deal?

Pull out of Iraq. Cancel the contracts we have with Halliburton on the basis that they've breached them by committing fraud. Don't give Halliburton any further contracts.

It's not rocket science and it's a course we've should have taken a couple of years ago. Whether the company is headquartered in Houston, Dubai, or the North Pole is irrelevant.

[ourvoicescount]

87. As long as Cheney is in office, that will never happen, although I agree.

[lvx35]

56. IF this happens, we need to be prepared to make Saudi interests in the US pay.

If they give a tax free haven to the company that rips us off, or protects them from the coming litigation, Saudi interests in the US must pay.

[RB TexLa]

64. What about Oman interests? Why not punish UAE's other neighbor as well

if you are going to punish people for something a neighboring country does.

:crazy:

[lvx35]

89. Trust me. nt

[catzies]

59. LIGHTBULB MOMENT

Enron's house of cards collapsed and lots of innocent people lost pensions & life savings right? And the bigshits in charge knew all along and saved their asses first and only?

So, I think Halliburton is going to have some serious questions to answer, like "WHERE DID ALL OUR FUCKING MONEY GO?" in the form of subpoenas from the excellent Mr. Waxman (for starters).

They wanna get out while the getting's good.

When a company moves out of the country is it no longer an "American company," and what would that look like, with a foreign country being our biggest contractor?

[Dudley_DUright]

61. Most multinationals are completely amoral, but Halliburton

is just plain evil. Must be the remnants of the dark force left over from the time Darth Cheney was CEO.

[Cobalt Violet]

65. And I was hoping we could put them into one of the prisons they built to house us.

:nuke::nuke::nuke:

[havocmom]

66. DEMS can issue subpoenas

Corporate brass be heading to nations without extradition treaties with the US

[Wednesdays]

78. Nail, meet hammer.

The list of countries with extradition treaties with the USA is quite long, but--surprise, surprise...UAE is not one of them!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_extradition_treaties

[havocmom]

79. And Dubai is not

On a positive note, perhaps Halliburton moving to the Persian Gulf is a good sign. Would they have cheney make more war in the area if they were moving there?

On a darker note, if war on Iran is coming, it would be soon. Halliburton brass has to be getting itchy to get outta Dodge pretty damn fast. They might want cheney to make sure no missiles can hit their new beach front digs.

[jarnocan]

68. thanks so few will even give it a thought- DANG! (March on the Pentagon BTW)nt

[lebkuchen]

69. As defense secretary, Cheney funneled billions toward Halliburton

and then took over as CEO after Bush Sr. lost. That's the definition of "swinging door."

[Bluebear]

71. But I'd rather have a beer with Bush!

And Kerry said horrible, tawdry things about the Cheney's daughter. :eyes:

[donheld]

72. The 'Merican people don't seem to realize the gravity of much of anything

If they did Bushie and Cabal would have been gone long ago. It have become extremely frustrating as to what it will take to wake people up.

[PhilipShore]

73. USATODAY: Bin Laden's operatives still using freewheeling Dubai

Office building of the bin Laden family. Dubai, United Arab Emirates.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2004-09-02-terror-dubai_x.htm">Link

DUBAI, United Arab Emirates (AP) — Osama bin Laden's operatives still use this freewheeling city as a logistical hub three years after more than half the Sept. 11 hijackers flew directly from Dubai to the United States in the final preparatory stages for the attack.
The recent arrest of an alleged top al-Qaeda combat coach is the latest sign that suspected members of the terrorist organization are among those who take advantage of travel rules that allow easy entry. Citizens of neighboring Gulf states such as Saudi Arabia can come to Dubai without visas, which other nationalities can get at the country's ports of entry.

Once here, it's easy to blend in to what has become a cosmopolitan crowd.

About half of the $250,000 spent on the attacks was wired to al-Qaeda terrorists in the United States from Dubai banks, authorities said. al-Qaeda money in Dubai banks also has been linked to the 1998 U.S. Embassy bombings in Kenya and Tanzania.

[blm]

90. The Bushes and the Bin Ladins are STILL aligned with the global fascist agenda.

9-11 was an opportunity to hurry it along.

[Vinca]

74. You know what Cheney would say about this post, don't you??

"Traitors! All of you!" On a side note, I wonder if Darth has purchased a retirement villa in Dubai yet.

[WiseButAngrySara]

75. ....

[Marnieworld]

76. Excellent nutshell

It's is scandalous to say the least. But what isn't nowadays?

[paparush]

81. Hmmmm..Bush buys property in Paraguay...Helliburton moves to Dubai

Does no one in Congress see the trend here? C'Mon DEMS! Roll up those sleeves and start laying into these f#ckers!

[mtnester]

92. I double dog dare Bush to move to a Latin, Central or South American country

his life will be miserable...if anyone took a peek at the raging hatred toward him during his trip there in the past few days...it would have to be an armed, fortified campground.

Haliburton? Will...never....EVER...be held liable or criminally responsible for their crimes...no matter what party owns the house, the senate or the WH...never.

[paparush]

93. He'll be living in the Bush-Green Zone ; Complete with Patriot Missile Batteries,

mine fields, unmanned drones (no, not Cheney), and rabid attack dogs (skipping Twins references here)

[Larry Ogg]

86. Is this a sign of things to come as the layers of corporate corruption are peeled away?

Will history say there was an exodus of the criminal warmongering robber barrens fleeing an economically and socially devastated, collapsing American superpower? And will history say that these criminals who were allowed to escape, took with them the looted wealth and technology that enabled them to create a new fascist elite supper power that would continue to enslave and threaten the entire world? Or will history say those possible scenarios were prevented? Who knows what history will say as it is yet to be written, but to allow corporate defense industry contractors; who know top secret stuff, to set up shop in a foreign country is absolutely unconscionable. I could only speculate the damage that could be done by those whose only concern is the bottom line…

[Initech]

95. I realize the impact and I'm pissed off about it!

I bet an investigation into Halliburton would yield horror stories of Nuremburg Trial-like proportions.

[redqueen]

96. Outrage fatigue.

I'm sure many realize the gravity... they're just completely burnt out of outrage. It's one thing after another with these crooks.