Top general whos name is "Peter Pace" calls homosexuality 'immoral'

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-070312pace,1,4954133.story?coll=chi-news-hed

By Aamer Madhani
Tribune national correspondent
Published March 12, 2007, 5:28 PM CDT

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Monday that he supports the Pentagon's "don't ask, don't tell" ban on gays serving in the military because homosexuality is "immoral" and on par with having an extramarital affair.

Addressing the controversial policy as part of a wide-ranging interview with the Tribune in Chicago, Pace said the military should not "condone" immoral behavior by allowing gay soldiers to serve openly. He said his views were based on his "upbringing," in which certain types of conduct were thought to be immoral.

"I believe homosexual acts between two individuals are immoral and that we should not condone immoral acts...," Pace said, while also calling it immoral for military members to commit adultery with another service member's spouse. "I do not believe the United States is well served by a policy that says it is okay to be immoral in anyway.

In the interview, Pace also said that a provision in the House Democrats' proposal to wind down the war could hamper President Bush's planned troop "surge" in Iraq by creating gaps in troop levels.

[saltpoint]

1. This guy sounds pretty fragile. Perhaps he should get into another line of

work.

[Divine Discontent]

2. funny, a lover of war, telling us what's immoral

F*K him. "based on his upbringing in which certain types of conduct were thought to be immoral", too funny!

did they also then ask that bastard about other stereotypes and racism that he was taught to be "immoral" and ask if he still held those feelings?

what a sick, pathetic, louse.

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[youngdem]

3. That's rich...A baby killer who started an illegal war speaking on the finer points of morality

Fuck you Peter Pace. Sounds like a porn star name anyway.

If you were a soldier before you were a wingnut you would see that allowing gays to openly serve in the military would create more potential recruits to protect current forces. But, since your ideology is more important than American lives, I guess you don't care.

The climb to the top of our government apparently can only be accomplished by completely disregarding any care for the American people.

[MADem]

8. Baby Killer? More like a desk driving, toadying bag carrier...

You'd think he'd have remembered his Vietnam service, but no. He hasn't had any significant operational experience since then, save Somalia, where he hid, Caligula-like, well behind the lines. Note his early but CRITICAL suckup at the White House--that determined his future. Skip, skip, skip to easy, cheesy, ticket punching jobs, spending the minimum time possible, push paper and suck, suck, suck up. This is not an opinion, either. I'm telling you what most people who have served with or near him think of him.

This resume is DAMNED shy of forward operational experience for someone in his present position:

In 1968, upon completion of The Basic School, Quantico, Va., General Pace was assigned to the 2d Battalion, 5th Marines, 1st Marine Division in the Republic of Vietnam, serving first as a Rifle Platoon Leader and subsequently as Assistant Operations Officer. He was later assigned to Marine Barracks, Washington, DC, where he served in a number of billets, to include Security Detachment Commander, Camp David; White House Social Aide; and Platoon Leader, Special Ceremonial Platoon.

General Pace has held command at virtually every level, and served in overseas billets in Nam Phong, Thailand; Seoul, Korea; and Yokota, Japan. While serving as President, Marine Corps University, then Brigadier General Pace also served as Deputy Commander, Marine Forces, Somalia, from December 1992 - February 1993, and as the Deputy Commander, Joint Task Force - Somalia from October 1993 - March 1994.

After an assignment as the Director for Operations (J-3), Joint Staff, Washington DC, then Lieutenant General Pace served as the Commander, U. S. Marine Corps Forces, Atlantic/Europe/South. He was promoted to General and assumed duties as the Commander in Chief, United States Southern Command in September 2000.

As the Vice Chairman from October 2001 to August 2005, General Pace served as the Chairman of the Joint Requirements Oversight Council, Vice Chairman of the Defense Acquisition Board, and as a member of the National Security Council Deputies Committee and the Nuclear Weapons Council. In addition, he acted for the Chairman in all aspects of the Planning, Programming and Budgeting System including participation in the Defense Resources Board.
http://www.defenselink.mil/bios/pace_bio.html

[Madspirit]

53. Peter Pace DOES sound like a porn star name!!

:rofl:

[Maat]

4. That's what hit me ... KILLING INNOCENT CIVILIANS is immoral!

It bugs me to no end that this Idiot plays a large part in determining our military policy. Why do I have to see his silly PERSONAL RELIGIOUS beliefs determine our military policy?

[saltpoint]

17. But Maat! They were TERRORISTS! We have to fight them over there

so we don't have to fight them in Fort Worth and Vicksburg!

Freedom's on the march!

[Maat]

20. Ugh ...

that sounds like certain relatives of mine who shall remain nameless to protect the truly ignorant.

;) :puke:

[saltpoint]

21. Hi, Maat. Sad to say, some of mine also, although there's been some

progress in turning their heads a bit lately.

Bush is running around Latin America asking the Congress for more troops when 2/3s of the country think the Iraq War is a doomed commitment.

And the impeachment whispers are growing louder.

It's a dark fog at the moment, but I'm seeing stronger rays of light burning through.

[Maat]

31. Yes, we must keep optimistic (n/t)!

[sakabatou]

5. And killing the innocent isn't?!

WTF?!

[MADem]

6. So Sayeth the Desk Driving Suck Up.

You know how Monkey is a Miserable Failure? Pete Pace is the SHAME of the Marine Corps. Their first shot at a friend in high places, and this asshole is it?? Ensuring they'll have a hard time getting the gig again, that's for sure...

He's regarded as a wuss, a toady, a disgrace. Funny he should say that. Some say he got his job by performing an act he's averring to abhor!!!!

[ccpup]

9. spill them beans!

"Some say he got his job by performing an act he's averring to abhor!!!!" Okay, you can't just drop a bomb like that and leave us all (no pun intended) hangin'. Do tell!

[MADem]

11. I was speaking rhetorically...

He got his start under NIXON, you see. He was one of the Marine Pretty Boys--remember those stupid uniforms Nixon dragged out? He had no problem wearing one of those. He's a whore of the worst sort--a whatever you say, forelock pulling putano.

Colin Powell got his start in the same White House.

[saltpoint]

7. "Oh, and General -- by the way, would you care to comment on the

over 200 visits by Jeff Gannon to the White House over the last couple of years, or speculate at whose behest those visits were arranged?"

[VP505]

10. I would think

that a man the Generals age would have figured out by now that "MORALITY" is pretty much a matter of opinion. Consider his occupation and the results of the work that he does, "KILLING", is that not about as immoral as it gets.

[kestrel91316]

12. Somebody needs to remind the good general that the United States

of America is a nation of laws, and the Constitution is the source of those laws, NOT THE FUCKING BOOK OF LEVITICUS.

[jannyk]

13. Can you get more immoral than killing innocents? Oh vey!

[SoCalDem]

14. but killing women and children is NOT ? n/t

[SalmonChantedEvening]

15. I want to make sure I'm getting this straight...

Someone who has turned a blind eye to Abu Graibh, as well as being a chanter of such classic, yet now unmentionable slogans as "turning the corner" and "stay the course", who has never decried the wasted and lost billions (with a B) of treasure better spent elsewhere, is now taking up the mantle of morality lecturer?

And he wants to lecture me?

A pig's eye is too good of a place, General.

When the blood stops flowing and the bodies stop coming home, when the world no longer hates us for what you have done, when terror is fought with something besides fear and more terror, maybe, just MAYBE, you may be able to speak on morality, Sir.

Until then, only those who use morality as a cloak and a lie will listen.

I am not listening.

[Kingshakabobo]

24. That reminds me of a KO Special Comment.

:patriot: :thumbsup:

[SalmonChantedEvening]

35. Small minds enrage me

And this story tripped that Wire One Must Never Trip, and I let fly. That you felt it was within throwing, let alone catapult distance of KO is so very kind, and I thank you.

[az chela]

16. But he supports rape and murder and destroying everything

the Iraqi's own.What a bastard.Must be bush's twin brother

[AnnieBW]

18. Two Words:

Abu Gharaib...

[xchrom]

19. general pace went on to say that

all the americans and iraqis killed in this war have died for nothing -- the war was based on a lie.

[dysfunctional press]

22. biblically speaking, homosexuality IS immoral.

Pace is a bible-thumper, so of course he's going to find homosexuality immoral.

so what?

[Kingshakabobo]

26. LOL.Surprised to see you here taking an asinine position.

:sarcasm:

[dysfunctional press]

43. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[Kingshakabobo]

58. His opinion on morality and the bible is not part of his MOS.

Or did I miss when he was elected Pope?

Otherwise, he should shut the fuck up about morality. In case you are too ignorant to figure it out, he works for us. We pay him to defend the constitution, not the bible. As an active member, he is on duty 24 hours a day.

[Bluebear]

32. What a surprise, finding you here defending this shit. nt

[dysfunctional press]

44. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...(but i wouldn't bet on it)

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

33. So is eating clams.

But you don't see him talking about that, do you.

[dysfunctional press]

45. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

59. I'm saying his OPINION isn't based on religious upbringing.

Otherwise, he'd hate clams too.

Pace is just full of shit, and he's using religion as an excuse.

[mondo joe]

36. What does the bible have to do with military policy?

?

[dysfunctional press]

46. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand..

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[mondo joe]

55. Fine - what does personal morality have to do with military policy?

Is it the morality military?

Why is his moral compass relevant at all to the matter of military policy? He seems to think it is.

[terrya]

37. So now, we're officially a theocracy?

Why should biblical teachings be the basis of military policy?

[dysfunctional press]

47. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[JackBeck]

39. "So what?"

Last time I checked, we're of but a few nations on this planet that forbids GLBT persons to serve openly in the military. Our illustrious allies include Iraq and Saudi Arabia.

And fwiw, The Constitution trumps the Bible.

[dysfunctional press]

49. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[NMMNG]

40. Biblically speaking,

Slavery and genocide based on race are acceptable.

Do you really want to get into what the Bible says?

[dysfunctional press]

42. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[NMMNG]

48. Based on faulty translations and gratuitious misinterpretations,

homosexuality is indeed immoral according to the Bible.

Only H-O-M-O-P-H-O-B-E-S read it that way.

[dysfunctional press]

51. when the bible refers to it as an "abomination"- i think that's pretty clear.

personally tho, i'm not a religious person, nor do i look to the bible for anything.

and it's no secret that pace is a homophobe- most fundies are.

[NMMNG]

52. It refers to shellfish as an abomination too

I don't see the fundies boycotting Red Lobster. As I said, mistranslations and misuses abound.


Read and learn something.

[HarukaTheTrophyWife]

41. Biblically speaking, you don't know what you're talking about.

[dysfunctional press]

50. try reading this response s-l-o-w-l-y, and maybe you'll understand...

pace admits that his OPINION is based on his religious upbringing- based on what it says in the bible, homosexuality IS immoral. if you are going to use the bible as the source of your moral code- as general pace does, then yes, homosexuality IS immoral. I'm not saying that i feel that it is immoral, nor that government nor military policy should be based on general pace's personal moral compass.

[Madspirit]

54. Exactly!

Fundies are always going to say this because it is what their stupid book says. So much for separation and all.....
Lee

[Madspirit]

56. QUESTION!

I maybe don't understand something. QuestionAll is saying that Peter Pace is a fundie, ergo bases his beliefs on fundie beliefs and fundies believe gayness is immoral.

I'm a lesbian but perhaps I am being dim. It has happened before. I don't understand how this comes across as QuestionAll siding with Peter Pace.
Lee

[Madspirit]

60. Wow...How to feel ignored.

Just ask a question.

Okey dokey.

[Beelzebud]

23. Bill Hicks - "Aren't y'all hired killers? Don't give me this shit about morals!"

"I don't want any fags around me while I'm killing kids."

Bill Hicks had some great material on this subject.

"You know what I think about gays in the military? I'll tell you what I think. Anyone dumb enough to want to be in the military should be allowed in. There should be no other requirements. Here's a helmet, go wait in that foxhole until we tell you till kill somebody."

[wicket]

25. How I miss Bill Hicks

I can just imagine what he'd have to saw about Bush II.

RIP Bill.

[Beelzebud]

27. It would be a glorious thing, wouldn't it? He'd be on an endless rant.

Americans forgot so much, so quickly, it's pathetic.

Bill Hicks has been dead for 13 years, and his material is just as relevant now, as it was when he was performing it. This doesn't cause me joy.

[wicket]

28. And screw Denis Leary for stealing his act!

:grr:

[Beelzebud]

29. You know why Dennis Leary is famous, and no one has heard of Bill Hicks?

There's no Cure for Cancer.

(Joke told among comedians since Bill died. Borderline genius when you look at Leary's first album title.)

[wicket]

30. I've heard that one too

It's sad, funny & true all at the same time. God I hate Denis Leary :grr:

[lectrobyte]

34. KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?

(with apologies to Arlo)

I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to
ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm
sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group Q bench
'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women,
kids, houses and villages what with bein' gay." He looked at me and said,
"Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints
off to Washington."

[KoKo]

38. I wonder how much Chimp "promised" Peter Pace to diffuse the Gonzales Implosion..

...never mind..I'm just one of those "cynical" DU'ers who always see "devils under beds" and has :tinfoilhat: on ALL THE TIME...

:eyes:

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

57. Peter Pace must have taken a lot of kidding when he was a kid in grade school

for his name. "Peter Face, Peter Face, Peter Face". Or "Peter Paste, Peter Paste, Peter Paste". Or "What your peter's pace today?" Something must have happened in his past to turn him into such an uptight tin soldier.