Did you listen to Bill Mahar on Larry King tonight? He said the same

[napi21]

thing I've been saying about the Dems debating on Fox. Face your enemy and show them what yo got! All this backing away and refusing to go on the FOX debate just show's that the dems are pussies! Now the pussies comment was Mahars, but I agree with him! He also referenced Bill Clinton going on Fox and confronting the host...and Bill WON the argument! THAT is why I say they should haveagreed to go on the FOX debate and show everybody what they've got!

[aquart]

1. Or they could reasonably deny Fox legitimacy.

Although they've always been perfectly willing to go on the Comedy Channel shows.

[napi21]

2. Look, FOXis a ligitimate networkwether you like it or not.

Yes, I think they falsify their fatingbecause somehow they've gotten a whole lot of businesses to air their junk. I see the TV tunes to FOX in car dealer service depts, I see it in Dr's offices, sports bars, and a whole lot of oter businesses, and I think that's how they get their ratings, but they also have a LOT of viewers! The Dems going on a FOX debate wouldn't sigitimize the network any more than it is already.

[tkmorris]

15. Yeah, and Pravda was a legitimate newspaper

If you measure "legitimate" in the same way. They were/are equally full of crap however and should be marginalized.

[Mind_your_head]

3. No - not everyone is in Bill Clinton's position when he did what he did

(which was most excellent).

Maher is just trying to goad candidates into doing more 'infotainment' junk that takes away from their important work, doesn't give the voters any REAL information, and just is a loser.

We don't need some kind of jerry springer thang going on. There's real people with real needs who need real candidates with real power working to correct/work it all out.

TV is often used these days as a fake/alternate parallel universe to our real life which neglects people's daily needs.

[DearAbby]

4. Fox is nothing more than a GOP Propaganda Machine

why give them legitimacy? I would be happy if all Democrats refused any Fox reporter, or to appear on any of their programs.

[BearSquirrel2]

5. Dems on Faux ...

Dems appearing on Faux would be like GW Bush appearing on the Daily Show. They will line up a right wing nut job panel that will make all the candidates look ridiculous except Hillary Clinton. Ya know that Rupert is just setting her up so he can take her down.

[napi21]

6. You all have ligitimate points, but I still say a good dem candidate would

be able toshow FOX for what they are. I really would have preferredethat they ALL appear for the debate and show everyone what they're about.

You can never convert an opponent ifyoudon't at least talk to him!

[Hamlette]

7. there is no way they can convert Fox watchers with one debate

I'm torn on this, I agree with Bill BUT I also think we get to decide who makes money off us and the debates. Fox viewers won't tune in, we will and they will sell advertising which lines their pockets.

Ask the age old question: who benefits? Why would fox do this unless they thought it would benefit them?

I'm a tad sick of the "told one joke" and the dems said no.

I wish someone would articulate our position about making money for Fox and legitimizing them.

[Mind_your_head]

8. I don't ever want to be an 'Evangelical Democrat'

*shudder* :scared:

Your language is frighteningly similar to a current 'movement' that I abhor, btw.

[FrenchieCat]

12. I agree with you.....

These elections will be nothing short of a battle for our survival. To refuse to face the enemy will not work.....in fact, it will backfire.

Our Democratic hopes and ideals are powerful and I believe, artfully articulated, can convert even some of the most brainwashed among us. As far as propagandizing, Fox will continue(cause that's what they do; it is their reason d'etre) without being countered. How does this serve the Democratic Party?

And further,any candidate who doesn't speak clearly and forcefully about the need to reverse media conglamoration doesn't need to try to have us believe that somehow we can change one news network simply by not dealing with them. The Media Giants are all pretty much the same, with ABC, CNN and MSNBC not being that much better no matter what we "want" to think at any given time. Who was chanting on the warpath going into Iraq?....it wasn't just FOX. Who legetimized the Swift Boat Vets last election? Not just Fox.

We have to get the Democratic message out to anyone with a TV...period. That's how we won election 2006. We won in FOX watching RED Districts. Howard Dean's 50 State strategy means more than just be there....it also means, communicate and let them know of the alternative!

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[FrenchieCat]

17. So I can't have an opinion without being attacked?

and you can't respond without attempting to put me down.

Sounds like you are the one using the tactics that you so decry big media Fox is using. :eyes:

[Mind_your_head]

18. We both are entitled to our opinions

You know, maybe that's the problem.....it's not about your or my ego here......we've got a world to save! And the world will go on with or without your or my opinion. So perhaps we should just leave that out of it all and focus on a bigger picture?

What say you?

Peace,
M_Y_H

[FrenchieCat]

20. you are not entitled to attack me here at DU...whatever your opinion is....

I was focusing on the bigger picture while you were posting insults.

You are not "Special" and exempt from the rules here at Du.

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[A-Schwarzenegger]

25. It's pretty much verboten to accuse somebody of being a paid troll for Faux News.

Pretty much.

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21. I disagree with frenchie, but you are over the line.

[FrenchieCat]

23. Thank you for your understanding! and of course we can agree to disagree!

If you check my Avatar, that's why my mouth has duck tape over it.

Also read my sig.

[donheld]

9. 100% disagree

I think it is time Dems just totally boycott Faux!

[Pastiche423]

22. I00% agree

w/you.

Faux news is just that - false news - pure propaganda. They do not deserve to be "legitimatized".

[madfloridian]

10. It wasn't the candidates!!

It was the bloggers and activists. They are spinning it. The Dems did not refuse until there was a huge campaign against it. And Roger Ailes insulted our candidates.

It is called spin.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

11. Maher is FOS per usual.

[Erika]

13. No democrat should show up on Faux Noise

Not one.

[napi21]

28. WHY? Bill Clinton & Howard Dean did GREAT speaking on FOX.

The ONLY time I EVER put that chanel on is when someone I really want to see is on. watched both of those guys, and Dean has been on several times. He does great every time.

You're right that we can agree to disagree, but IMO appearing on a FOX debate would be a great test for our candidates. If they can't handle the heat there, maybe they don't deserve our vote either.

[B Calm]

29. Bill Clinton was alone with the host.

[ComerPerro]

14. they won't be allowed to refute Fox, for several reasons

for one thing, none of the candidates are going to be quick to defend the others. Not while they are all competing for the same job. So Fox will attack each one, and leave each one to fend for themselves. And, if you are constantly defending your stance are your record, when are you supposed to get your message out?

[Kurovski]

26. He's on again now on the west coast.(nt)

[sandnsea]

27. Maher thrives on controversy

Without Fox for him to counter, he won't have a job. He's not stupid. He is looking out for his own ass though.

Dems should dump Fox, just the way Maher should dump Ann Coulter. That's the final step in a dysfunctional relationship - kicking the bum to the curb. Out they go.

[mmonk]

30. They aren't allowed to debate pre-debate and post debate

commentary and spin by Fox. They are only allowed to debate each other. So they wouldn't be facing their enemy. Their enemy will skewer them without rebuttal.

[sendero]

31. He who controls....

... the questions and the edit controls the debate. Maher is correct on occasion, just not this occasion.

[POAS]

32. Big problen with your idea is

that they would not be confronting FoxNews they would be lending it credibility.

Confronting Fox would be calling them on the carpet, something that would NOT happen during a debate in preperation for the Democratic primaries.

The only outcome of Fox playing host to a Democratic debate would be to further their disguise as being "fair and balanced".

And can't you just see the crawl across the bottom of the screen as each Democrat speeks? (Possible example: Barack Osama). Yep, that would surely help the Democrats with their message.